Biden orders employees of big businesses to be vaccinated or face testing

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This will be interesting.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58508547

I am a bit ambivalent on this one. I am a vaccine supporter, got mine last spring and plan on a booster in a couple of months.

However I do not like the idea of the government telling people what to do, not unless its really necessary. For most folks I think the government's role should be to provide the best available data and information. Then let people decide for themselves. I think given good information most rational people will choose to get vaccinated.

On the other hand some people do work in settings that puts them and the public at greater risk. Requiring vaccines for these people may make sense. But I'd want that list to be short.
 

Let the rioting begin! :ROFLMAO:

The U.S. has a long history of mandating vaccines.

In January 1777, George Washington, who at the time was the general of the Continental forces, pushed for troops to be inoculated against Variola, commonly known as smallpox.​
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According to historical records, the situation was dire. Camps were being transformed into sickbays and it was driving down enlistments. In contrast, in Europe, the early origins of modern day vaccinations were already sweeping across society. This is believed to have given the British army a slight advantage.​
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A few decades later, in 1802, Massachusetts became the first state to push for vaccine uptake. In 1809, the state passed the the first vaccine mandate law. By 1900, almost half of the 45 existing states had mandated smallpox vaccines for children going to school.​
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In 1905, the Massachusetts Supreme Court ruled that people did not have the right to infect other people with smallpox in Jacobson v Massachusetts, which upheld the law after a challenge to the $5 fine imposed on those not compliant.​
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The case of Zucht v King led the Texas Supreme Court to rule in 1922 that it was not unconstitutional to ban unvaccinated children from educational establishments​
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In 1963, 20 states, along with Washington DC and Puerto Rico, had added more vaccines to the mandate list. Other diseases, such as measles, promoted more government intervention in the 1960s, leading to areas in the 1970s seeing much lower death rates from the disease than those who had not mandated vaccines. For example, in Los Angeles and Alaska, mandates drastically increased attendance in classrooms, and in response, scientists called vaccine mandates a successful public health policy.​
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I'd like to see more people use the bolded argument that people do not have the right to infect others, only in this case, with covid-19, and let's impose a $10,000 fine for the self-centered individuals who won't do what's right for our country.
 
""I'd like to see more people use the bolded argument that people do not have the right to infect others, only in this case, with covid-19, and let's impose a $10,000 fine for the self-centered individuals who won't do what's right for our country.""
Amen to that.
 

Bellbird said:
""I'd like to see more people use the bolded argument that people do not have the right to infect others, only in this case, with covid-19, and let's impose a $10,000 fine for the self-centered individuals who won't do what's right for our country.""
Amen to that.
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"and let's impose a $10,000 fine" for the vaccinated infected too, what right do they have to be running around infecting people. :rolleyes:
 
Becky1951 said:
"and let's impose a $10,000 fine" for the vaccinated infected too, what right do they have to be running around infecting people. :rolleyes:
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Yes, starting with Rev. Jesse Jackson & his wife; vaccinated on TV 'cuz they're.....heroes. They can pay the fine with money they stole from so many.
And Oscar De La Hoya; he can also afford it.
Several KISS band members who got Covid after being vaccinated - they can afford any fine.
Hillary Duff - breakthrough case. She can also afford any fine.
 
IMO it's a step in the right direction.

Not much point in commenting further.

We've been together discussing this for well over a year and we pretty much know where each of us stands on the topic.

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No matter what you think about the virus or the vaccine you gotta love Calvin and Hobbes. :)
 
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suds00 said:
if everyone was vaccinated there wouldn't be vaccinated ,infected people .who brought about these breakthrough cases" in the first place ? the unvaccinated, of course!.
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Uh, just a suggestion: Review your post before clicking "Post Reply."
 
Alligatorob said:
This will be interesting.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58508547

I am a bit ambivalent on this one. I am a vaccine supporter, got mine last spring and plan on a booster in a couple of months.

However I do not like the idea of the government telling people what to do, not unless its really necessary. For most folks I think the government's role should be to provide the best available data and information. Then let people decide for themselves. I think given good information most rational people will choose to get vaccinated.

On the other hand some people do work in settings that puts them and the public at greater risk. Requiring vaccines for these people may make sense. But I'd want that list to be short.
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I agree with you.
Overstepping boundaries.
 
suds00 said:
if everyone was vaccinated there wouldn't be vaccinated ,infected people .who brought about these breakthrough cases" in the first place ? the unvaccinated, of course!.
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No one ever stops to realize we missed the boat in getting the entire world vaccinated in a crucial short time frame to end Covid.

In order to end it every person in the world would have to of been vaccinated within a very few weeks.

When vaccines came out, some countries didn't have a vaccine, it was months later until they had one.

Travel was still happening between some countries, spreading the virus.

When they did, just like the US, there were issues such as, not enough vaccine, storage problems due to the extreme cold temps required. I remember so many here on this forum having problems getting an appointment for the vaccines.

Blame whoever you and others wish to blame, you will anyway.

Have a nice day. ⚘
 
I don't care anymore. If someone asks if I'm vaccinated, I'll say yeah. If they start with the conspiracy crap, I walk away. I really don't care what they do, why, or what happens to "innocent people" because of it.
 
Becky1951 said:
No one ever stops to realize we missed the boat in getting the entire world vaccinated in a crucial short time frame to end Covid.

In order to end it every person in the world would have to of been vaccinated within a very few weeks.

When vaccines came out, some countries didn't have a vaccine, it was months later until they had one.

Travel was still happening between some countries, spreading the virus.

When they did, just like the US, there were issues such as, not enough vaccine, storage problems due to the extreme cold temps required. I remember so many here on this forum having problems getting an appointment for the vaccines.

Blame whoever you and others wish to blame, you will anyway.

Have a nice day. ⚘
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I don't how they handled it in your state, but in CA, when vaccines first became available, they only gave it to health care workers. No one else could get it, even if they wanted it. Everyone was told to wait.
Same with N-95 masks - which were said to be effective, while they admitted other masks were useless; including Dr. Fauci. We were told to wear useless paper masks because there was a shortage of Medical masks & they were needed for health care workers. Later, we were told any mask provides protection. When they alter the truth to fit the situation, they create distrust.
 
Becky1951 said:
No one ever stops to realize we missed the boat in getting the entire world vaccinated in a crucial short time frame to end Covid.

In order to end it every person in the world would have to of been vaccinated within a very few weeks.

When vaccines came out, some countries didn't have a vaccine, it was months later until they had one.

Travel was still happening between some countries, spreading the virus.

When they did, just like the US, there were issues such as, not enough vaccine, storage problems due to the extreme cold temps required. I remember so many here on this forum having problems getting an appointment for the vaccines.

Blame whoever you and others wish to blame, you will anyway.

Have a nice day. ⚘
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i was just stating what is obvious .you have a nice day as well
 
win231 said:
I don't how they handled it in your state, but in CA, when vaccines first became available, they only gave it to health care workers. No one else could get it, even if they wanted it. Everyone was told to wait.
Same with N-95 masks - which were said to be effective, while they admitted other masks were useless; including Dr. Fauci. We were told to wear useless paper masks because there was a shortage of Medical masks & they were needed for health care workers. Later, we were told any mask provides protection. When they alter the truth to fit the situation, they create distrust.
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Right and it should have been given to everyone in order to stop the spread. But there wasn't enough so as I said missed the boat on stopping it.
 
chic said:
What about Israel? They have breakthrough cases and they have a 90% vaccination rate. Explain to me again how all this is the fault of the unvaccinated?
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90% is not100%. 100%vaccination rate would be a start in eliminating the virus.ho many years did it take to eliminate polio after a vaccine ws developed?
 
suds00 said:
if everyone was vaccinated there wouldn't be vaccinated ,infected people .who brought about these breakthrough cases" in the first place ? the unvaccinated, of course!.
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Definition of unvaccinated = vaccinated people who've been vaccinated within the last 3 to 4 weeks and got sick right away from the poisons. 🥴

Breakthough cases = people who were vaccinated more than 4 weeks ago and are no longer called unvaccinated. 🤪

People who haven't been vaccinated aren't counted because we don't get sick from the poisons! 🤣 😍
 

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