Biden orders employees of big businesses to be vaccinated or face testing

ManjaroKDE said:
To officially require (something) : make (something) mandatory : order a law mandating recycling also : to direct or require (someone) to do something a commission mandated to investigate corruption. Merriam-Webster Dictionary

We live with ‘rules’ – mandates in almost everything we do.

Next time you get in a car to drive somewhere, think of all the rules you must follow.

Most mandated by an entity of either the state or federal governments.
  1. You must have a license to operate an auto.
  2. You must have at least liability insurance,
  3. The auto must be registered and licensed.
  4. You must use your seat belts or other restraints if available.
  5. You cannot operate one under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs.
  6. You should obey the speed limits.
  7. You must stop for school buses.
  8. You should obey all road signs.
  9. You should stop for red lights and warning lights.
  10. You should keep your auto in good shape (inspections are a must in most states).
I could go on and on listing mandate that the manufactures must follow for your safety.

We must file a tax return every April 15th. Avoid that and see what the IRS says.

Get a life - everyone must follow rules to belong.
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Injecting a drug into your body shouldn't be one of them though. There's a big difference between obeying the rules of the road and having a drug injected into you. And it doesn't protect the injected or others either as we have learned. The vaccinated can still catch and transmit covid which is not a stable virus like small pox or polio were.

So you think we need to follow the rules to belong? Get injected with a drug that isn't as safe as they say or does what they had intended it should. Those words are chilling. Vaccinate to participate?

Maybe you're the one who needs to get a life? You're obviously scared witless by this virus and will do as your government who does not have your best interests at heart, instructs you. I wouldn't take a serious drug like this one just to make another person feel "comfortable" about a medical decision they made for themselves. Your choice. My choice.
 

I'm not a big fan of government "regulations". However, at some point, regulations become necessary if people don't have enough good sense to behave. The statistics have shown the odds of getting severely ill, or dying are substantially reduced once a person is vaccinated. If that isn't good enough for some people, they need to "pay the price".
 

chic said:
Injecting a drug into your body shouldn't be one of them though. There's a big difference between obeying the rules of the road and having a drug injected into you. And it doesn't protect the injected or others either as we have learned. The vaccinated can still catch and transmit covid which is not a stable virus like small pox or polio were.

So you think we need to follow the rules to belong? Get injected with a drug that isn't as safe as they say or does what they had intended it should. Those words are chilling. Vaccinate to participate?

Maybe you're the one who needs to get a life? You're obviously scared witless by this virus and will do as your government who does not have your best interests at heart, instructs you. I wouldn't take a serious drug like this one just to make another person feel "comfortable" about a medical decision they made for themselves. Your choice. My choice.
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"ManjaroKDE has a life. He's a controller who likes to control other people's lives.
 
squatting dog said:
Can anyone provide a link to show documented scientific proof that any person, vaccinated or not has infected other people.
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A good question. Scientific studies are always more useful than person opinions. Here are a couple that sort of get to your question. One suggests viral loads and therefore the ability to transmit is the same vaccinated or not. If that is true then the only way the vaccine slows transmission is by reducing the possibility of getting the virus, and there are a lot more scientific studies that show reduced rates of infection after vaccination.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v4.full-text

Going to the underlying science by searching out and reading literature of this kind is hard, but I believe will lead people to more reasonable opinions. From my research, admittedly limited, it appears to me we have a vaccine that does reduce infection rates and infection severity, but it's not 100% effective (a side note, vaccines are never 100% effective so this is no surprise). The vaccine has caused serious reactions and death in a few cases, but it looks to me like the risk of that is lower than the risks of getting infected (another side note, this is also true of all vaccinations, no surprise here either). I am not sure being vaccinated lowers the transmission rate if you are one of the breakthrough cases.

All that said there are lots of good scientific studies out there, and more being published every day. So we will know more and learn more as time goes by. Keeping up is impossible for a lay person like me, I just read the few I stumble on or search out.
 
Bellbird said:
""I'd like to see more people use the bolded argument that people do not have the right to infect others, only in this case, with covid-19, and let's impose a $10,000 fine for the self-centered individuals who won't do what's right for our country.""
Amen to that.
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So... Lets See.... If you trust the vaccine to work.... whats the issue????? Your protected ... they die .. problem solved...
 
squatting dog said:
Can anyone provide a link to show documented scientific proof that any person, vaccinated or not has infected other people.
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Well, Squatting, when the rate of Covid, and particularly the rate of fatalities from Covid, is much, much higher in locations where there is a lower vaccination rate (example: South Carolina) ..... when mass rallies, indoor concerts, sports events, parties, without masks, with an overwhelming number of unvaccinated attendees, result in immediate surges of the disease.... when entire families get the disease at around the same time... that's pretty good "scientific" proof to me!

What other conclusion do you come to? The disease is projected onto earth by evil Martians? Some demented Dr. Death madman has introduced into the food supply of every nation in the world? We are thinking bad thoughts, so this is a punishment from heaven? There is no such disease at all, the whole thing is made up?

The scientific proof exists loud and clear, and it is ridiculous (and pretty desperate) to try to suggest that the disease isn't caused by one person spreading it to another.

And as anyone knows who reads a newspaper or watches the news, the vaccine is not 100% effective. But once you are vaccinated, if you caught it, you would probably just get a mild, flu-like version of the disease, and wouldn't die of it.

Are you really that dense, or are you just deliberately flogging a dead horse?
 
If the employee head count for this is 100 employess, it will affect a lot of small businesses also.

Personally, I think this is a huge mistake as it will further politisize the vaccination issue and not do much good. Delta is going to march through the non vaccinated people for a few more months so those in the work force who truly end up with no immunity will be a very small number of people. It's just going to sew more bad feelngs.
 
Becky1951 said:
Oh Oh! Not good. I just heard this and NO I can't give a link as it came to me by word of mouth. And before I get accused of anything, I am 100% Against this involvement.

Antifa is getting involved in setting up protests against this mandate.

IMO that is not a good thing, riots and violence are their way of protesting. 😥
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Still better than an attempted coup d'etat! ;)
 
Sunny said:
Well, Squatting, when the rate of Covid, and particularly the rate of fatalities from Covid, is much, much higher in locations where there is a lower vaccination rate (example: South Carolina) ..... when mass rallies, indoor concerts, sports events, parties, without masks, with an overwhelming number of unvaccinated attendees, result in immediate surges of the disease.... when entire families get the disease at around the same time... that's pretty good "scientific" proof to me!

What other conclusion do you come to? The disease is projected onto earth by evil Martians? Some demented Dr. Death madman has introduced into the food supply of every nation in the world? We are thinking bad thoughts, so this is a punishment from heaven? There is no such disease at all, the whole thing is made up?

The scientific proof exists loud and clear, and it is ridiculous (and pretty desperate) to try to suggest that the disease isn't caused by one person spreading it to another.

And as anyone knows who reads a newspaper or watches the news, the vaccine is not 100% effective. But once you are vaccinated, if you caught it, you would probably just get a mild, flu-like version of the disease, and wouldn't die of it.

Are you really that dense, or are you just deliberately flogging a dead horse?
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"But once you are vaccinated, if you caught it, you would probably just get a mild, flu-like version of the disease, and wouldn't die of it."

"Are you really that dense, or are you just deliberately flogging a dead horse?"

You can't comment without calling names can you?

I may be wrong but didn't you say in a former post that you were a retired school teacher?

Is this how you treated your students, calling them names? If little Joe misspelled a word did you call him dense? You call names so easily it seems like it's a life long habit you've acquired.

A person has the right to choose if being vaccinated or not.
As you said, "But once you are vaccinated, if you caught it, you would probably just get a mild, flu-like version of the disease, and wouldn't die of it."

So what's the problem? Those vaccinated will live, unvaccinated have the chance of beating Covid and living also, if not it's a risk they are willing to take.
 
Alligatorob said:
Hey Ohio, you seem one of the better legal minds here. What is your thought on the legality of requiring masks, vaccinations, or other things? By the US government or states, or any authority?

I hear a lot of conflicting and mostly non-expert opinions, would be interested in your more expert one.
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Thank you for the compliment to start out :). Man writes the laws, man interprets them. There is no way 100% of society can agree on statutory or common law that "on it's face" purports to deprive a person of their Civil Liberties. I side more with the mandates than ignoring the medical situation facing the Country. Usually a balance is attempted to be the best policy, but lives are being lost. Can I understand the reluctance of some to disregard the govt., sure. Bottom line, this can be considered War against a deadly virus, the best defensive weapon is compliance. Forced vaccinations is a very personal intrusion, but seems to be necessary except on the advice of a doctor that it may do more harm?
 
The company I work for had already told us last month that the company was going to require vaccination or regular testing.
But if the delta variant becomes infectious in 3.7 days it seems too late to test weekly.
We have already had to upload photos of our covid vaccine cards.
I think it is pointless to get fussed about the government saying companies have to do what those companies were already doing anyway, unless maybe companies pushed for the government to mandate it so they could point at the government if employees complain.
At least the vaccine benefits me, which peeing in a cup for my company does not, but they require that sometimes too.
 

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