Number of Covid breakthrough deaths slowly rising

Alligatorob said:
What do you trust and how do you decide?
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Thank you for your thoughtful postings.
You do your own research and trust yourself. "To thine own self be true."

Alligatorob said:
Are you suggesting the British Medical Journal article I cited in post 17 above is subject to "data torturing"?
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Yes, because they were created and are controlled by the Rockefeller Foundation petroleum cartel which took over the AMA in 1900 and turned it into a petro-chemical drug industry. One of their first products was a concoction of cocaine and coal tar oil promoted as a cure for cancer.

People whose only evidence is repeating their propaganda and making spurious personal attacks are easily fooled by them.
 

Alligatorob said:
What do you trust and how do you decide?

Are you suggesting the British Medical Journal article I cited in post 17 above is subject to "data torturing"? The BMJ is a well respected scientific journal, much like the New England Journal of Medicine you cite. Journals like this require a significant degree of independent peer review, disclosure of author affiliations and any kind of potential conflict of interest. They also accept rebuttal articles from people who question the interpretations and conclusions of the authors. Still a few things slip between the cracks, but not much. And what does is often caught. Any scientist found to have "tortured data" is usually screened out of such publications and if not later identified. It can be a career ending thing.

If you don't believe sources like this what do you believe?
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I keep in mind that medicine has very little to do with patient care; it's a business. When things don't add up or make sense, they aren't true.
And when we're lied to, (as we have been since the beginning of this pandemic), I view the numbers with suspicion. That doesn't mean I don't think Covid exists; it means they're exaggerating & creating fear for profit.
 
Chris P Bacon said:
I wish you could too because otherwise, it's just not very believable. And you heard someone from an HR and doctor something else that's undocumented? Well, do they have names? Your maiden name wasn't Information or was it? šŸ¤”

Sorry but I think that Mr Einstein is more credible.

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It makes no difference whether I find it or not, post or not. You have your mind set to what you will and wont believe from whom. šŸ˜‚
 

Butterfly said:
And in that same time period, how many unvaccinated people have died from covid?
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Its hard to say now. Because CDC is now counting those that get the vaccination and die within 2 week are counted as unvaccinated. So, how many have died after being vaccinated is a more accurate question. It would show the vaccination is poison not a vaccination in my opinion. But, everyone has one. šŸ™„
 
win231 said:
I keep in mind that medicine has very little to do with patient care; it's a business. When things don't add up or make sense, they aren't true.
And when we're lied to, (as we have been since the beginning of this pandemic), I view the numbers with suspicion. That doesn't mean I don't think Covid exists; it means they're exaggerating & creating fear for profit.
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Correct. Id prefer to scared with facts rather than time pass by and see the facts are changed with the political winds. Then we start getting confused, head starts spinning because in a mind that works logically the order gets scrambled. Thats what gets me. Changes for no reason giving. Who like turning on a dime when all we need is genuine facts. This way we actually would know we are doing what needs to be done. So, as things come out I have to rearranged all the verbage and noise so I can right myself. Sort of like having a v-8. If it doenst make sense Im not buying into it.
 
win231 said:
I keep in mind that medicine has very little to do with patient care; it's a business. When things don't add up or make sense, they aren't true.
And when we're lied to, (as we have been since the beginning of this pandemic), I view the numbers with suspicion. That doesn't mean I don't think Covid exists; it means they're exaggerating & creating fear for profit.
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I agree that the medical industry is all about money and profit, it has to be. You could argue that most all of science has been about money and profit, selling some product, getting your research funded, whatever. But still we have managed to make a lot of progress, and I believe the peer review process has really helped with that. Sorting through it all can be hard...
 
Pauline1954 said:
Its hard to say now. Because CDC is now counting those that get the vaccination and die within 2 week are counted as unvaccinated. So, how many have died after being vaccinated is a more accurate question. It would show the vaccination is poison not a vaccination in my opinion. But, everyone has one. šŸ™„
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Exactly. Same for those with one of two doses. The vaxxes will produce a positive result. There should be a seperate or different category for those with 1 of 2 doses or hasn't been 2 weeks since the final shot. Partially vaxxed?
 
All efforts to defeat this virus, which is all of our enemy, are met with resistance, hostility, and mockery. I find this truly astonishing
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Amen to that. It beggars belief. Underlying conditions are often the cause of death, not the vaccine.
I agree that the medical industry is all about money and profit, it has to be
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Wow what a short sighted view point.
 
Pauline1954 said:
It would show the vaccination is poison not a vaccination in my opinion. But, everyone has one. šŸ™„
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Yes, everyone has an opinion and they all stink but our own. Everyone has a butthole too and from time to time, they should be examined by an expert. If said expert says that there is something wrong with yours, you may have more problems than you knew. Thatā€™s science!
 
WhatInThe said:
There should be a seperate or different category for those with 1 of 2 doses or hasn't been 2 weeks since the final shot. Partially vaxxed?
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Sure, to really understand you do have to sort out the number of doses and timing. This BMJ paper does a pretty good job of that ( https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1943 ) in part:

Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic infection observed ā‰„14 days after one dose was 60% (95% confidence interval 57% to 64%), increasing from 48% (41% to 54%) at 14-20 days after one dose to 71% (63% to 78%) at 35-41 days. Vaccine effectiveness observed ā‰„7 days after two doses was 91% (89% to 93%). Vaccine effectiveness against hospital admission or death observed ā‰„14 days after one dose was 70% (60% to 77%), increasing from 62% (44% to 75%) at 14-20 days to 91% (73% to 97%) at ā‰„35 days, whereas vaccine effectiveness observed ā‰„7 days after two doses was 98% (88% to 100%).

Bellbird said:
Wow what a short sighted view point.
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It has to be, that's the way the world works, no money no doctors and no medicine. Its not a bad thing!
 
Chris P Bacon said:
Yes, everyone has an opinion and they all stink but our own. Everyone has a butthole too and from time to time, they should be examined by an expert. If said expert says that there is something wrong with yours, you may have more problems than you knew. Thatā€™s science!
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You are in fine form today.šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚
 
Alligatorob said:
It has to be, that's the way the world works, no money no doctors and no medicine. Its not a bad thing!
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I donā€™t think that you quite grasp the point that was being made. Me thinks you were blinded by percent signs. Money doesnā€™t make the world work, science does. And not everyone takes care of others just for the money. Ever hear of a group called Doctors Without Borders? Or Patch Adams? People helping people because they care and because itā€™s the right thing to do, what a concept that is!
 
Chris P Bacon said:
Money doesnā€™t make the world work, science does.
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Maybe it semantics, but we could not have science without money. It ain't cheap. On the other hand without all of our scientific advancements we would not have money.

Chris P Bacon said:
Ever hear of a group called Doctors Without Borders? Or Patch Adams?
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Yes, and they are great people doing great things, however they also need funding. Somebody had to pay for Patch Adams education and living expenses, travel, and the equipment he uses. Both Doctors without Borders and Patch Adams solicit donations, they have to. I know a lot of people also donate time, but those people also need to have money to live from somewhere. Without money those organizations would not function.
 
Nature is the original medicine and I donā€™t think it solicits funding. Iā€™m also pretty sure that money is a man made thing and nothing that occurs in nature. When one changes the way they look at things, the things one looks at change. The best things in life are free, for now anyway.
 
Alligatorob said:
I suppose so, and for a lot of things it still does a pretty good job.
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Hear me now, believe me later but nature and natural things will be here long after man and man made things are not. Is it possible that we never hear of problems on other planets in our solar system because only nature is there and not mankind? Or money? It sounds almost like science but itā€™s nature, simple and pure.
 
Chris P Bacon said:
Hear me now, believe me later but nature and natural things will be here long after man and man made things are not. Is it possible that we never hear of problems on other planets in our solar system because only nature is there and not mankind? Or money? It sounds almost like science but itā€™s nature, simple and pure.
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I'm completely in agreement on this.
 
And in other news a whole host of people lived their lives, as best they could and shook their heads in disbelief as to why some people are so obsessed with other folks dying. They can't see the purpose in the diligence or the relish that some seem to get from the anguish of others. There truly are some attention starved people in this world it appears. And just in case you were wondering, a whole lot of people die every day of lots of things. It's just a shame that none of the useless ones ever seem to bite the dust though. If you have trouble finding doses of gloom and doom on a pretty much daily basis, this is the place you need to be! Someone here will wipe that smile right off of your happy day and smirk, while they tell you that people are dying of Covid. Just look for the blue and click. Have a happy day with those useless statistics.

I don't have a link but I bet that people even died in Rhode Island and Idaho today too. You could look it up, I bet. Even as people are dying, more are living and being born. I heard that someone in Tennessee pulled a 5 pound booger from their nose. Yeah, the sad thing was that their head collapsed and they died before they even got a chance to eat it. I'll look for the link so I can post it here. Always room for gloom in this room, eh? Cheers, from the Bronx! You can have your spotlight back now.
 
LAS VEGAS (KLAS) ā€” Twenty-five people who had received a COVID-19 vaccine died in the past two weeks from the virus, new data from the Southern Nevada Health District (SNHD) showed.

The district now reports more than 9,000 breakthrough coronavirus cases in Clark County since vaccines were made available. Out of those 9,080 cases, 137 people died. For the month of September, about one out of every five new COVID-19 cases involves a person who was vaccinated.

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/healt...-cases-are-among-vaccinated-las-vegas-nevada/

Public Health Confirms Six Deaths as 'Breakthrough' Cases, One More Death, Four Hospitalizations, 77 New COVID-19 Cases​

Public Health officials have identified six additional fully vaccinated individuals who have died from the virus. A total of seven residents have died from post-vaccination or ā€œbreakthroughā€ illness out of the county's 84 total deaths attributed to the virus. Thirty-four people have been hospitalized due to post-vaccine illness out of 368 total hospitalizations.

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https://www.northcoastjournal.com/N...h-four-hospitalizations-77-new-covid-19-cases
 

The Truth About COVID-19 Breakthrough Cases​

This takes us to the latest in breakthrough cases. The CDC actively keeps a database with all hospitalizations and deaths from those whoā€™ve been vaccinated for COVID-19. Hereā€™s the most recent information available through August.

  • Total breakthrough hospitalizations: 12,908
  • Total breakthrough deaths: 2,437
The vaccine rollout stated December 15th. Through August 30th there were 293,911 COVID-19 deaths in the United States this year. That means fewer than 1% of all COVID-19 deaths this year have been breakthrough cases. Thatā€™s with a total of 75% of the adult population having now been vaccinated with at least a first dose of COVID-19 vaccine. While complete national COVID-19 hospitalization data doesnā€™t exist, for perspective, there are more Floridians hospitalized with COVID-19 today than the entirety of all breakthrough hospitalizations thus far this year nationally ā€“ it's likely breakthrough hospitalization rates are 1% or lower of the total as well. This data confirms that while breakthrough cases occur, itā€™s held true that the vaccines have been extremely effective against the worst effects of COVID-19.
 

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