Vaccination is optional, but mandatory.

[Becky1951]

This was in another forum. I thought sums up the confusion pretty well.

Vaccination is optional, but mandatory, although voluntary, but you cannot refuse, more precisely you can, but you can be fired, although it is illegal, but the judge decided it is not.
No revaccination needed, although it might be required, but not necessarily, since the vaccine protects for 2 years, but the antibody count will be too low in six months, however you will have some antibodies, but they won't help against the new variants, nonetheless another jab will help grow new antibodies, but we are not sure if that will be the case.
Get vaccinated and you won’t get sick, although you may get sick later, but it won't be as severe, although there are new variants, but you should not get sick, however there is a lot of patients with the antibodies, but you are immune if you already had the disease or were vaccinated, but we are not sure of that, therefore get vaccinated, which is optional, but is going to be mandatory.

 

[oldman]

This was in another forum. I thought sums up the confusion pretty well.

Vaccination is optional, but mandatory, although voluntary, but you cannot refuse, more precisely you can, but you can be fired, although it is illegal, but the judge decided it is not.
No revaccination needed, although it might be required, but not necessarily, since the vaccine protects for 2 years, but the antibody count will be too low in six months, however you will have some antibodies, but they won't help against the new variants, nonetheless another jab will help grow new antibodies, but we are not sure if that will be the case.
Get vaccinated and you won’t get sick, although you may get sick later, but it won't be as severe, although there are new variants, but you should not get sick, however there is a lot of patients with the antibodies, but you are immune if you already had the disease or were vaccinated, but we are not sure of that, therefore get vaccinated, which is optional, but is going to be mandatory.

Wait a minute. I read somewhere (and will search for it) that anyone that had COVID (natural immunity) would be protected against the Delta variant.

 

[oldman]

I did find this: "This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer-lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity.”

https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...ainst-the-Delta-variant-than-vaccination.aspx

 

[suds00]

so the answer is to get the disease and hope that you're not hospitalized or worse. then you may have a strong antibody response. most vaccines require a booster. unless you're planning to get sick it's wise to get the series of vaccinations.

 

[Becky1951]

I did find this: "This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer-lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity.”

https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...ainst-the-Delta-variant-than-vaccination.aspx

Yes it does, which is why those with natural immunity shouldn't be forced to have the vaccine in order to keep their jobs.

My post was about the zig zagging information and the vaccine mandate.

 

[mathjak107]

Wait a minute. I read somewhere (and will search for it) that anyone that had COVID (natural immunity) would be protected against the Delta variant.

Natural immunity is all over the map ….it is very inconsistent..so much so that the Red Cross will not take convalescing plasma from you if it is more than 6 months from covid .plus they test it with a very complex anti body neutralizing test .

that is not the simple , cheap antibody test we get that just confirms contact with the virus.

most labs cannot do the actual immunity testing nor will most insurers pay for it since it is quite expensive

 

[oldman]

Natural immunity is all over the map ….it is very inconsistent..so much so that the Red Cross will not take convalescing plasma from you if it is more than 6 months from covid .plus they test it with a very complex anti body neutralizing test .

that is not the simple , cheap antibody test we get that just confirms contact with the virus

OK, I see you are alive. I read John's post and I thought maybe you had past away. You are alive, right?

 

[mathjak107]

Sure am ….still have some long lasting covid effects but back to running and the gym.
it took 8 months to be able to run again

 

[oldman]

Natural immunity is all over the map ….it is very inconsistent..so much so that the Red Cross will not take convalescing plasma from you if it is more than 6 months from covid .plus they test it with a very complex anti body neutralizing test .

that is not the simple , cheap antibody test we get that just confirms contact with the virus.

most labs cannot do the actual immunity testing nor will most insurers pay for it since it is quite expensive

I signed a release at the hospital when I left that gave them permission to take blood from me. They only took a half of a pint.

 

[mathjak107]

The Red Cross stopped the convalescing plama program …they have more plasma then they can use.

the problem is it is only good in the early stages of covid .

the early stages generally are nothing you would even treat .

my wife and I said the first week of covid that if this is covid we had worse colds .

about the 10th day in all hell broke loose …. I was brought in by ambulance and she followed in three days later .

the hospital said most of us show up 8-12 days in when it really replicates and gets in to the cells .

so by the time you know you are really getting it good it is to late for using the plasma …so at this point they are not taking donors

 

[Jules]

@mathjak107 Glad that you and your wife made it. It sounds like a long, long haul.

 

[mathjak107]

Covid effects so many organs .
Both of us out of no where have high blood pressure now and never had it pre covid .

my sugar has been very high …pre covid one milligram a day of glimpride had me at prediabetic levels . Now I have been up again .

I go Tuesday for my A1c

 

[Alligatorob]

Natural immunity is all over the map ….it is very inconsistent

Is there a reliable way to measure immunity or natural immunity?

If so it would seem reasonable to treat those with natural immunity that is as good or better than the vaccinated as if they had been vaccinated.

I read the Israeli study and it was pretty convincing on the value of natural immunity.

I got my immunity from the vaccine, and highly recommend that others do as well. Much better than getting the virus.

However if someone has had Covid and acquired natural immunity that should be recognized. If there is a reliable way to do it.

 

[Becky1951]

Covid effects so many organs .
Both of us out of no where have high blood pressure now and never had it pre covid .

my sugar has been very high …pre covid one milligram a day of glimpride had me at prediabetic levels . Now I have been up again .

I go Tuesday for my A1c

There probably is no study on it, but wondering if those who were vaccinated and still caught Covid had any of those or other after effects.

 

[Alligatorob]

wondering if those who were vaccinated and still caught Covid had any of those or other after effects.

Good question. My wife (and maybe myself) are in that position. Feeling well recovered now.

Months after getting the Pfizer vaccines we both got the Covid symptoms. She tested positive, twice, so we are pretty sure she had it. On the other hand I tested negative, twice also, so I don't know. My symptoms were very mild and only lasted a few days. Her symptoms were worse, but still mild compared to a lot of people, no more than a mild case of the flu. However her sense of taste and odor are only now coming back, several weeks after the other symptoms disappeared. I never completely lost taste and odor, but for a few days they were mostly gone. Hope we are now in the clear...

 

[Lawrence00]

I was fortunate to have had the Red Cross test my blood twice, for free, for the full set of antibodies, because I donated twice. I was full positive both times, and the last time was June 2021, which was 18 months after I had covid.

They still test all blood donors for full natural sets of antibodies, but don't inform the donor anymore of the results. I expect because of political pressure.

 

[Jules]

However if someone has had Covid and acquired natural immunity that should be recognized. If there is a reliable way to do it.

And is there a reliable way to predict how long natural immunity will last?

 

[Lawrence00]

And is there a reliable way to predict how long natural immunity will last?

They can test me today. And both the existence of, and the density of my full set of antibodies, can be determined. Thousands of years of evolution has made this possible. It is my firm belief that worldwide testing of antibodies has been suppressed, because of corporations fighting each other for profits, not the common human good.

 

[Alligatorob]

And is there a reliable way to predict how long natural immunity will last?

I doubt any predictions like this, neither for natural immunity or vaccine immunity exist with any accuracy. Only testing and time will tell.

 

[mathjak107]

And is there a reliable way to predict how long natural immunity will last?

No , there is no way to tell..they can do a complex , expensive test that will show up to that moment but that is as far as it goes .

but like I sad most labs can not do that testing nor will insurers cover it without good reason .

 

[mathjak107]

I was fortunate to have had the Red Cross test my blood twice, for free, for the full set of antibodies, because I donated twice. I was full positive both times, and the last time was June 2021, which was 18 months after I had covid.

They still test all blood donors for full natural sets of antibodies, but don't inform the donor anymore of the results. I expect because of political pressure.

They do not take donors for convalescing plasma anymore ….nor do they do the neutralizing anti body test …..the only antibody tests done routinely now are the antibody binding tests which are the routine ones we get that show you had contacts with the virus but they tell you nothing about how effective your immunity is

 

[chic]

This was in another forum. I thought sums up the confusion pretty well.

Vaccination is optional, but mandatory, although voluntary, but you cannot refuse, more precisely you can, but you can be fired, although it is illegal, but the judge decided it is not.
No revaccination needed, although it might be required, but not necessarily, since the vaccine protects for 2 years, but the antibody count will be too low in six months, however you will have some antibodies, but they won't help against the new variants, nonetheless another jab will help grow new antibodies, but we are not sure if that will be the case.
Get vaccinated and you won’t get sick, although you may get sick later, but it won't be as severe, although there are new variants, but you should not get sick, however there is a lot of patients with the antibodies, but you are immune if you already had the disease or were vaccinated, but we are not sure of that, therefore get vaccinated, which is optional, but is going to be mandatory.

This would be hilarious were it not so true and so divisive. People are seriously hating others over this issue. The unvaccinated are becoming a target for future genocide though those who would promote it will be the first to deny it. It's so crazy I can't believe I'm living through such a time as this.

 

[Pink Biz]

This would be hilarious were it not so true and so divisive. People are seriously hating others over this issue. The unvaccinated are becoming a target for future genocide though those who would promote it will be the first to deny it. It's so crazy I can't believe I'm living through such a time as this.

 

[Pepper]

This would be hilarious were it not so true and so divisive. People are seriously hating others over this issue. The unvaccinated are becoming a target for future genocide though those who would promote it will be the first to deny it. It's so crazy I can't believe I'm living through such a time as this.

If they can catch you to kill you, you could be caught & vaccinated. No need for genocides, how silly, sorry.

 

[win231]

This was in another forum. I thought sums up the confusion pretty well.

Vaccination is optional, but mandatory, although voluntary, but you cannot refuse, more precisely you can, but you can be fired, although it is illegal, but the judge decided it is not.
No revaccination needed, although it might be required, but not necessarily, since the vaccine protects for 2 years, but the antibody count will be too low in six months, however you will have some antibodies, but they won't help against the new variants, nonetheless another jab will help grow new antibodies, but we are not sure if that will be the case.
Get vaccinated and you won’t get sick, although you may get sick later, but it won't be as severe, although there are new variants, but you should not get sick, however there is a lot of patients with the antibodies, but you are immune if you already had the disease or were vaccinated, but we are not sure of that, therefore get vaccinated, which is optional, but is going to be mandatory.

"Masks are useless; don't bother with them," (said Dr. Fauci).
"Masks offer the best protection," (said Dr. Fauci later, when he was told to say that)