People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say

The US founders knew this and tried to mitigate it by making us a representative democracy instead of a direct democracy. Apparently we can't do representative very well either. The experiment is winding down ...won't see any American tricentennial celebrations.
 

The experiment is winding down ...won't see any American tricentennial celebrations.
I hope not, but you might be right.

Do you see a fix for it? One that could work and be accepted?

Back in the 70s I saw Garrett Hardin ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_Hardin ) speak at LSU. He advocated only allowing people who paid above some level of income tax to vote. He suggested the upper 60% might be right. I was horrified at the time, being a student in the lower 40%. However looking back now I can see some logic to it. But cannot see something like this ever getting enacted.
 
Garbage in, garbage out.

IMO our elections have become little more than popularity contests.

We need knowledgeable experienced elected officials that are willing to work together for the common good even if the result is sometimes difficult for us as individuals.

“The government you elect is the government you deserve.” - Thomas Jefferson
 
He may be right. Just look at our society today. I have never seen such a screwed up mess in my life.

So True! It seems that the "divisions" in our society are growing larger, every year. "Compromise" is a philosophy that seems to be almost non-existent.....everything seems to be either Far Left or Far Right. Ultimately, this will result in harm to Everyone.
 
It seems that the "divisions" in our society are growing larger, every year.
It seems that way to me too.

However I have to wonder how real it is. We have certainly had some times of deep, probably deeper, divisions in the US and have somehow muddled through. Think of the Civil War.

I am prone to think that a better educated population would make better choices, but am not so sure. We are the most educated and knowledgeable generation in history, and we ain't doing real well...
 
We’ve been chipping away at the foundation for decades with the well intentioned but unsustainable expansion of the federal government as a solution for all problems foreign and domestic.

IMO it started with the New Deal and kicked into high gear when Nixon abolished the Gold Standard giving the government power to print money backed only by the faith & credit of the United States.

We need to get back to a pay as you go system of government which means that we will all have to chip in to pay the bills.

Col. Parker famously said back in the 1950s that "I consider it my patriotic duty to keep Elvis up in the 90 percent tax bracket." 😯
 
This rapidly growing national debt is a major threat. About the Only time when the debt percentage rose this high was during WWII. People back then accepted a tax rate as high as 92%, and by the early '50's, that debt was paid off. Try that today, and watch all the millionaires crying "foul". IMO, the governments should Not be allowed to spend One Dollar, without making provisions to pay for their legislation. But then, in the minds of todays politicians, the ONLY ones who matter are their biggest campaign donors.
 
David Dunning, author of the article, was half of the team that defined the Dunning-Kruger effect: the cognitive bias stating that people with low ability at a task overestimate their own ability, and that people with high ability at a task underestimate their own ability.

We see people on TV, in opinion articles, and even in this forum, who have no idea what they're talking about but have strong opinions about serious topics that affect everyone. They often have the loudest voices and are able to stifle debates using bullying tactics that make honest debates impossible. They are also one of the reasons we don't get good candidates. Our elections are, and have always been, ugly. I think that pretty much sums it up. They're ugly, and they deter a lot of good people from running from office. Who wants to go through that process? Not the best and the brightest, that's for sure. It's just candidates who can put up with all the crap that goes along with running for office, and don't mind putting their families through it.

One possible solution is to only allow people with four year college degrees to vote. Going to college exposes people to ideas and forces people to think. Granted, there are plenty of incompetent people with four year degrees, but on average, they're more intelligent than those without.

Of course, if we were to implement that requirement, we'd need to make universities more accessible and affordable, and even free for those who can't afford it otherwise, and that includes living expenses.
 
One possible solution is to only allow people with four year college degrees to vote. Going to college exposes people to ideas and forces people to think. Granted, there are plenty of incompetent people with four year degrees, but on average, they're more intelligent than those without.
Having college degrees myself makes it tempting to agree. However I know a lot of smart and wise people who never went to or finished college, and lots of not so bright people who did...
 
If we do at some point restrict who can vote I wouldn’t support the notion of restrictions based on education but I would consider limiting voting to people who pay taxes and ultimately will bear the cost of government.
That was kind of Garrett Hardin's point. Whilst not perfect taxes paid is probably the simplest way to sort the smarter folks out.
 
Maybe stupid people just have the time to be interested in government right now. These people want those like themselves in political office making decisions for everyone. Unfortunately they make stupid decisions because they have a tribal rather than an inclusive world-view. The pendulum will eventually swing the other way. Media might try cooling it right now with their eternal hand-wringing too.
 
While some defend democracy we all agree politicians are basically liars willing to say and do anything to get in office. It is a fact democracy is shrinking worldwide.
 
The US founders knew this and tried to mitigate it by making us a representative democracy instead of a direct democracy. Apparently we can't do representative very well either. The experiment is winding down ...won't see any American tricentennial celebrations.
Didn't the founding fathers create this form of government for white men only? They could never imagine the principles being extended to all races, women and non-hetrosexuals and the battles to ensure there rights to everyone.
 
Didn't the founding fathers create this form of government for white men only? They could never imagine the principles being extended to all races, women and non-hetrosexuals and the battles to ensure there rights to everyone.

Originally it was white male land owners until the founders got the Constitution ironed out. Post Constitution, a few states allowed black men to vote very early on, a few states women. I think all had to be tax payers. Very much ahead of the times compared to Europe and colonies.
 
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He makes a valid point. "If you have gaps in your knowledge in a given area, then you’re not in a position to assess your own gaps or the gaps of others."
I will vote for you @Alligatorob.;)
 


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