IBM: Get vaccinated or no pay and no 401K match

Okay, got the name-calling. Guess you didn't view the video, which was recorded by a scientist. Surprised you're using Wikipedia as a source to denigrate, but whatever. Nevertheless, how about this:

"Attorney John Howard and Davillier Law Group, with support from America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) filed a Complaint on Thursday in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California against Kaiser Permanente
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AFLDS has been outspoken that COVID vaccine mandates are both illegal as a matter of law and unsafe as a matter of science. They are illegal because the shots do not stop transmission of Delta and therefore are personal treatment choices only. They are unsafe because they cause the vaccinated to become super-spreaders with extremely high viral loads and because the vaccinated become more critically ill with a higher rate of hospitalization and death than the unvaccinated. In addition, there are far more effective and safer treatments used all over the world. For example, the nation of India has declared its largest state with 240 million population “Covid-free” with a very low vaccination rate but a very high ivermectin usage rate.
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https://americasfrontlinedoctors.or...-filed-a-complaint-against-kaiser-permanente/

Kinda different than the public relations have said.

And, I'm outta here. It's getting pretty bullying in here.
 

Shero said:
Becky ,“deathly ill” means at death’s door. That means they are not getting off that bed ever!!!
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No, there are cases of deathly ill, recovering. So it doesn't mean, "That means they are not getting off that bed ever!!!" Even Terminally ill patients have been known to recover.
 
Devi said:
Okay, got the name-calling. Guess you didn't view the video, which was recorded by a scientist. Surprised you're using Wikipedia as a source to denigrate, but whatever. Nevertheless, how about this:

"Attorney John Howard and Davillier Law Group, with support from America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) filed a Complaint on Thursday in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California against Kaiser Permanente
...
AFLDS has been outspoken that COVID vaccine mandates are both illegal as a matter of law and unsafe as a matter of science. They are illegal because the shots do not stop transmission of Delta and therefore are personal treatment choices only. They are unsafe because they cause the vaccinated to become super-spreaders with extremely high viral loads and because the vaccinated become more critically ill with a higher rate of hospitalization and death than the unvaccinated. In addition, there are far more effective and safer treatments used all over the world. For example, the nation of India has declared its largest state with 240 million population “Covid-free” with a very low vaccination rate but a very high ivermectin usage rate.
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https://americasfrontlinedoctors.or...-filed-a-complaint-against-kaiser-permanente/

Kinda different than the public relations have said.

And, I'm outta here. It's getting pretty bullying in here.
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"And, I'm outta here. It's getting pretty bullying in here."

Don't let the bullies run you away that's what they are hoping for. 🌹 Remember that lovely "ignore" feature? If they can't comment without name calling, use it. Anyone who has to call names to get their point across loses their creditability of the point they are making.
 

Becky1951 said:
"highly skilled and educated"

What? Wait! "highly skilled and educated" refusing to be vaccinated?

How many times I have read comments here stating that the unvaccinated were the uneducated.

Oh I don't know maybe around 100 times?

How refreshing to see someone say "highly skilled and educated" people are also refusing to be vaccinated.

Its not always the "uneducated". A high school or collage certificate doesn't guarantee intelligence. Nor does the lack of one guarantee ignorance.


I'm not saying its right or wrong for anyone getting vaccinated or refusing. 🌹
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People have been researching and learned that this vaccine contains fetal cells and material. Total turnoff to say the least.
 
Becky1951 said:
"And, I'm outta here. It's getting pretty bullying in here."

Don't let the bullies run you away that's what they are hoping for. 🌹 Remember that lovely "ignore" feature? If they can't comment without name calling, use it. Anyone who has to call names to get their point across loses their creditability of the point they are making.
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Thanks, Becky, for reminding me. I think I'll do just that. ❤️
 
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America's Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) is an American conservative political organization. Affiliated with Tea Party Patriots.

Yes, I'm on a roll. Your misinformation is coming from right wing forces. So that must mean something. Why would a doctor organization be political? Doctors have never organized by political beliefs. Why now? If you are aware of this, you are only saying who you are when you take their misinformation as truth and spread it.

It's not bullying when people won't defend lies. As a country, we're on the brink.........................
 
I just don't get it, I really don't. If information comes from a certain political organization that's not yours you assume its false?

The media has been doing exactly what it has intended to do, continue to make it seem that the vaccine choices are based on political affiliation when in most cases is is not.
 
Pepper said:
America's Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) is an American conservative political organization. Affiliated with Tea Party Patriots.

Yes, I'm on a roll. Your misinformation is coming from right wing forces. So that must mean something. Why would a doctor organization be political? Doctors have never organized by political beliefs. Why now? If you are aware of this, you are only saying who you are when you take their misinformation as truth and spread it.

It's not bullying when people won't defend lies. As a country, we're on the brink.........................
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"It's not bullying when people won't defend lies"

It is bullying when they call those who don't agree names.
 
Pepper said:
Example, please.
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Seriously pepper? I'm sure you have read all the Covid topics and comments in this forum, how could you possible miss the name calling? You know, "those who believe that are stupid" "uneducated" "ignorant" "non caring people" "unpatriotic" "cowering" etc.
 
Jules said:
How many people will ‘find religion’ when it will work as an exemption. Is this a specific type of religion such as Jehovah Witnesses who have a long history of declining medical intervention?

Just like doctors who will hand out addictive pills, there‘ll be those who will be glad to sign an exemption.

One of the three largest areas of spread in BC was within religious groups.
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Maybe Jules, but you are right. Soon all the anti-vaxxers will find relgion, the churches will be full !!
 
Lewkat said:
People have been researching and learned that this vaccine contains fetal cells and material. Total turnoff to say the least.
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That seems to be another false claim Lewkat, here are a couple of articles which comment on that claim.

https://www.uclahealth.org/webview.cfm?id=3680&cat=Addressing+Concerns

No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain aborted fetal cells. However, Johnson & Johnson did use fetal cell lines — not fetal tissue — when developing and producing their vaccine, while Pfizer and Moderna used fetal cell lines to test their vaccines and make sure that they work.
Fetal cell lines are grown in a laboratory and were started with cells from elective abortions that occurred several decades ago in the 1970s-80s. They are now thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue. None of the COVID-19 vaccines use fetal cells derived from recent abortions.
We understand this is a sensitive issue, and specifically important to religious communities. We’d like to provide some additional context on this topic. On Jan. 27, the California Catholic Conference noted in an official statement that they support the use of all COVID-19 vaccines, including the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, to prevent the continued spread of COVID-19. Pope Francis also publicly supported COVID-19 vaccination and the Vatican has issued a statement saying it is morally acceptable to receive COVID-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...gredients-listed-in-these-posts-idUSKBN2AQ2SW

Cloned fetal cells (not fetal tissue) are sometimes used in the development, confirmation or production process of making vaccines – including the COVID-19 vaccine ( here , here ). The Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, are not made using human cells, but they have been used in vaccine testing.

Human embryonic kidney (HEK) cells are not fetal cells taken from recent abortions, but from cell lines derived from decades old fetal cells (more detail on this here ).
 
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In the context of the strategic partnership with the Government of the United Kingdom, WHO has joined forces with its communications teams to raise awareness of misinformation around COVID-19 and encourage individuals to report false or misleading content online.

This cooperation started with the joint Stop the Spread campaign in May-June 2020, which encouraged the use of trusted sources such as WHO and national health authorities for accurate COVID-19 information. The new phase of the joint campaign focuses on proactively identifying and reporting potentially wrong or misleading information, as part of WHO's efforts to address the spread of inaccurate and harmful information during the pandemic.

Learn more about inaccurate information on the WHO myth busters pages.

https://www.who.int/campaigns/conne...lid=EAIaIQobChMI9vWv5Py78wIVSWoqCh3iBwF1EAAYA
 
Shero said:
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In the context of the strategic partnership with the Government of the United Kingdom, WHO has joined forces with its communications teams to raise awareness of misinformation around COVID-19 and encourage individuals to report false or misleading content online.

This cooperation started with the joint Stop the Spread campaign in May-June 2020, which encouraged the use of trusted sources such as WHO and national health authorities for accurate COVID-19 information. The new phase of the joint campaign focuses on proactively identifying and reporting potentially wrong or misleading information, as part of WHO's efforts to address the spread of inaccurate and harmful information during the pandemic.

Learn more about inaccurate information on the WHO myth busters pages.

https://www.who.int/campaigns/conne...lid=EAIaIQobChMI9vWv5Py78wIVSWoqCh3iBwF1EAAYA
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Thank you for that information, very useful!
 
SeaBreeze said:
Amen! If people would stop whining about getting vaccinated and take the available shots, this country would be in much better shape than we are in today.
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No disrespect to you at all and you have a right to your opinion... but YIKES!!!! You really believe if everyone take the vaccine this country would be in much better shape - you believe its really due to a vaccine - YIKES!!! Again, you have every right to how you feel. People are not whining, they are doing what they feel is best for them as you did what was best for you. You have no idea how the vaccine has effected some people. Why? Because that info is not released. I am praying for my husband. And Gary O is definitely in my prayers regarding his son.
 
Ladybj said:
No disrespect to you at all and you have a right to your opinion... but YIKES!!!! You really believe if everyone take the vaccine this country would be in much better shape - you believe its really due to a vaccine - YIKES!!! Again, you have every right to how you feel. People are not whining, they are doing what they feel is best for them as you did what was best for you. You have no idea how the vaccine has effected some people. Why? Because that info is not released. I am praying for my husband. And Gary O is definitely in my prayers regarding his son.
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Yes, the vaccine has been proven to save lives and keep people out of the hospital even if they do contract the virus afterwards. If everyone got vaccinated, wore masks and socially distanced early on when recommended, our country would be in much better shape today than it is. Also, there wouldn't be over 700,000 Americans dead, the number would likely be greatly reduced.

There was a deadly virus spreading worldwide, I did the responsible and considerate thing. What you do is your business, but unfortunately in this case, it affects other people. This is the pandemic of the unvaccinated, they are taking up hospital beds and dying, they are most likely to spread the virus to others. No yikes here, just common sense. If people want life to get back to normal again, they need to get the vaccine.
 
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