Aneeda72
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Peace began when the nuclear bombs were dropped on Japan. Peace begins and continues with the threat of the end of the world via nuclear warfare. Human beings are not a peaceful race.
Are you a pacifist?
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Gaer
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oldpop
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In a perfect world yes. In this world at this time....Nope.
Alligatorob
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No, not even close. As bad as things seem today we actually live in what is probably the safest and most peaceful time in human history.
I'd sure like it to be better, but it could be and has been a lot worse...
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Tish
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I am too feisty to be a pacifist.
mellowyellow
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Should the west go to war with China if they try to take Taiwan? Some would say yes because they threaten democracy and others will say no, it’s their business because it used to belong to them anyway. The politicians will decide and we must follow.
WheatenLover
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You remind me of Santa Claus. I wouldn't be scared of you. You look like one of those kitten on the inside people to me. That, btw, is a compliment. Of course, I'm not a twenty-something (I wish), and I would never consider messing with you in a negative way.
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Are you a Pacifist? No I swing to being Atlantist
WheatenLover
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I am sort of a pacifist. I despise war. I hate violence.
If one or more countries attacked the US directly, I would defend us if I could. But I doubt I would be an active soldier - not the least of which is because of my age.
However, I have thought over that years that some people need to be killed. These were heads of governments (not ours) who were tyrants and plainly psychopaths or sociopaths. So in my thoughts, I am not always a pacifist. My thoughts did not contain any notion of me taking care of these problems myself, however.
My mom was a small child during WW2, in Germany. She suffered from severe PTSD for her entire life because of that. She escaped from East Germany when she was 18, leaving behind all her relatives. Actually, her aunt had already escaped, and facilitated that process for her. She told us about some of her childhood during the war and postwar, but never the really bad stuff. It remains a mystery because she threw away all her journals before she died. The things she did tell us were horrifying enough.
If one or more countries attacked the US directly, I would defend us if I could. But I doubt I would be an active soldier - not the least of which is because of my age.
However, I have thought over that years that some people need to be killed. These were heads of governments (not ours) who were tyrants and plainly psychopaths or sociopaths. So in my thoughts, I am not always a pacifist. My thoughts did not contain any notion of me taking care of these problems myself, however.
My mom was a small child during WW2, in Germany. She suffered from severe PTSD for her entire life because of that. She escaped from East Germany when she was 18, leaving behind all her relatives. Actually, her aunt had already escaped, and facilitated that process for her. She told us about some of her childhood during the war and postwar, but never the really bad stuff. It remains a mystery because she threw away all her journals before she died. The things she did tell us were horrifying enough.
Purwell
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I certainly am a pacifist, wars are fought about trade nothing else.
Shero
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Sometimes wars have to be fought. I have seen very few pacifists in my life time and certainly not here! What sort of person is the one who starts a fire and then runs away before the explosion? Certainly not a pacifist!
Alligatorob
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Do you think the UK, Poland, France, etc. were wrong to go to war when Hitler attacked?
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Purwell
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Poland and France did not have much choice did they?
Do you think the USA should have intervened in Viet Nam?
Alligatorob
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No, not a war we should ever have gotten involved in.
No they did not, but a 100% pacifist would have just let them in unopposed... I guess.
I know the UK situation was different, but I think they were right to go to war with the Nazis. If they had taken the 100% pacifist line I suspect the Nazis would have invaded them as well.
If you read my post, you would see I said I would fight if attacked myself or if my loved ones were. Otherwise, I think diplomatic solutions to problems are best. No one had a choice against Hitler. Vietnam was a different story.
I do too. You can't be pacifistic with some individuals.
Isn't that convoluted logic? You could be the force for change?
I said if I or my loved ones were attacked, I would fight back. Pacifism is just my nature as constant discord is a stressful state and humans have difficulty becoming their best and most creative under constant stress or warlike atmospheres.
Alligatorob
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I think most Americans today would say no, as I and chic did above. However at the time, in the early years anyway, a majority of us did support going in. Same thing happened in Afghanistan and other places. Seems our hindsight is better than our judgement...
My thoughts EXACTLY. I had believed human beings were becoming more enlightened as a species and would find diplomatic solutions to problems such as JFK did during the Cuban missile crisis which is a sterling example of how diplomacy at it's best avoids war.
I agree with you and since we are quickly losing said freedoms daily, which effects me personally, I will fight like a Trojan though I would rather love.