I am confused about this gender binary thing.

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In this crazy, politically correct, starring at your phone all day world, it's getting harder to figure things out. I love books but don't really love reading current things like, "Johnny came to dinner last night with his wife, Fred." How those 2 can figure out who is going to be the husband and who is going to be the wife is a question that for sure, this ole' country will never be able to figure out even if I live to be a hundred. Maybe some "city slicker" can help me here?

By the way, if I can't call people him or her; I guess I'll just have to call them "the thing." Good morning, thing, how's she hangin'?
 
I'll share my thought later but as soon as I saw this thread it made me think about a friend of mine who has ranted about this more than once. That person feels it's gotten out of hand.
 
Well, I checked with my daughter, and she said someone can be non-binary and that sexual orientation isn't part of it. They are two separate things. Well, that cleared things up ... not!
 
Packerjohn said:
In this crazy, politically correct, starring at your phone all day world, it's getting harder to figure things out. I love books but don't really love reading current things like, "Johnny came to dinner last night with his wife, Fred." How those 2 can figure out who is going to be the husband and who is going to be the wife is a question that for sure, this ole' country will never be able to figure out even if I live to be a hundred. Maybe some "city slicker" can help me here?

By the way, if I can't call people him or her; I guess I'll just have to call them "the thing." Good morning, thing, how's she hangin'?
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I've never heard a gay couple refer to themselves as husband and wife. The guys are both husbands, and the women are both wives.
 
I think I understand about people with *******s, who don't match what they think they are. Just because you are physically a gender, does not mean that your brain is wired for that gender. Or something like that. Now, these genderless people, I dunno. I think what we have to accept is that what gender we were born with is not all of our sexuality, nor is it the determining factor in our life's roles. As in a gay couple, where there is no "wifey" role, and in a lesbian relationship, no "husband" role.
BTW, why can't we call lesbians "gay"? It's the same concept.
 
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The English prefixes bi-, derived from Latin, and its Greek variant di- both mean “two.” The Latin prefix is far more prevalent in common words, such as bilingual, biceps, biped and as we are discussing, bisexual; the more technical Greek di- appears in such words as diphthong and dilemma.
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Thanks for the refresher on Latin and prefix usage, no problem understanding the term "binary" at all, I just said that the binary concept as it relates to sexuality has no application in my life. As a longtime computer hobbyist the term binary refers to the base 2 method of mathematical expression with of "0" and "1". ;)

Edit: so back to the topic of binary as it relates to sexuality I had to google "gender binary" and landed on a Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_binary Normally Wikipedia article's are an enormous help clarifying matters, but now I am thoroughly confused.
So here is what I am able to grasp:
Human Sexuality is:
Being straight and being either male or female physiologically at birth.
Being bisexual and being either male or female physiologically at birth.
Being gay and being either male or female physiologically at birth.
Being transgender and being either male or female physiologically at birth.
Being transgender and undergoing sexual reassignment procedure.
Being transgender but not undergoing sexual reassignment procedure.

I'm not sure what's left, cross-dressing is more of a lifestyle choice, not really a gender identification....yes?
 
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The two most common genders are male and female. However, there are other types of genders as many as over 60! Btw, you might want to make sure to avoid confusion between gender and sexual orientation. It is also important to distinguish between "gender role and "gender identity".
I am not confused. I accept people as nature created them.
 
Gaer said:
The youth of today is going to be so confused.
This is the most idiotic thing they have ever come up with!
There are TWO genders; male and female!
All this mis-gendering are sexual deviations and delusions!

Yes! This is my opinion!
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Why are the zeor* people on programs like Sixty Minutes, and other Alleged new programs dwelling on these topics?
Is there really any interest?
Yes, i know i don't have to watch, and i don't-but i resent being forced to turn the channel.
 
Sunny said:
The pronoun stuff is the part that I find impossible. Not because I am supportive or against people being transgender, I just find it impossible to speak English, referring to a single person as "they."

"His daughter said that they are coming to visit him next week." So his daughter is plural?

The Washington Post has changed to this kind of pronoun use, and I sometimes get utterly confused when reading an article. "This artist is showing their work at this gallery next week." (Strangely, this does work when we don't know who the artist is.) Whose work? Being politically correct is one thing, but this is so confusing that I don't think it will ever catch on.

And it's silly. When talking to the transgender individual, we would say, "You" anyway, so what's the big deal about he, she, and they?
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'They' for an individual creeps me out ...makes me think of multiple personality disorder or demon possession.

We need a blending of him/her she/he ...maybe a basic, multipurpose shim and don't worry about object, subject position in a sentence.
 
I've had close friends and coworkers throughout my life who were gay. They were all good people and I was blessed to have known them. I have never known anyone who was transsexual. Since I'm not around folks like this these days, I'm not current on all the names and different sexes. I have nothing against any of them and I think their personal life must be very challenging and emotionally stressful with all the hate out there. I respect everyone for who they are, I will learn more as time goes on. Until then, it's good not to judge and just love one another as people on this earth. I've been open-minded on many things all my life, and I think that's a good thing. ☮️
 
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I've had close friends and coworkers throughout my life who were gay. They were all good people and I was blessed to have known them. I have never known anyone who was transsexual. Since I'm not around folks like this these days, I'm not current on all the names and different sexes. I have nothing against any of them and I think their personal life must be very challenging and emotionally stressful with all the hate out there. I respect everyone for who they are, I will learn more as time goes on. Until then, it's good not to judge and just love one another as people on this earth. I've been open-minded on many things all my life, and I think that's a good thing. ☮️
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Same here as far as wonderful gay friends and have had three transsexual acquaintances in the past, two of whom were really nice, one a jerk before and after her transformation to him.

It's the non-binary that are confusing our pronouns so badly.
 
I am not a Biologist or a Psychologist but it t seems to me that if one is born with a ****** they are female. One born with a ***** is a male. Biologically there is just no way around it. Psychologically it is a completely different story. I suppose you can be what ever twirls your propeller. The thing is I do not want to know, do not need to know and do not care what gender you identify as. All I really need to know is what kind of human being you are.
 
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oldpop said:
It seems to me that if one is born with a ****** they are female. One born with a ***** is a male. Biologically there is just no way around it. Psychologically it is a completely different story. I suppose you can be what ever twirls your propeller. The thing is I do not want to know, do not need to know and do not care what gender you identify as. All I really need to know is what kind of human being you are.
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Love the last sentence but the first isn't scientifically correct; some are born with both. Scientific term is hermaphrodite. X and Y chromosome inheritance isn't cut and dried either regardless of sexual organs.
 
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AnnieA said:
Love the last sentence but the first isn't scientifically correct; some are born with both. Scientific term is hermaphrodite. Y chromosome inheritance isn't cut and dried either.
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I thought about that before I posted. As I mentioned I am not a Biologist or a Psychologist. My post just gives my opinion on the Transgender movement.
 
My husband and I have been together for over 30 years and were married several years ago. We didn't feel the need to get married because we have had a very solid relationship, but the financial and health care implications were tremendous. We now file joint taxes, and after I was let go from my 35-year career he went back to work and I'm now on his healthcare. And if one of us becomes ill the other can make medical decisions.

We have both gay and straight friends, and our relationship has lasted longer than many straight people we know. There is no "husband and wife". We are both "husbands". Some on here may not agree with our sexual orientation, but if that had not been the case my mother, who passed away on November 9, would probably not been so well taken care of for 21 years after my father passed away. I had the time to spend with her. Also, she was a Southern Baptist who loved my husband.

As for the "binary" question, I'll admit I don't really understand it either but I do understand that people are born with certain internal feelings that make them identify as either male or female, even if that is not their genetic makeup, so even though I may not understand I respect it.
 
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WheatenLover said:
How can a man want to be called "she" (or they/them) and not be transgender? (Man on the outside, woman on the inside, I guess.)

Why do the people I know make a federal case out of it when I accidentally refer to a gender binary person as he or she? I'm trying not to do that, but my explanation that he's and she's were males and females for the majority of my life is waved off. I am trying super hard to remember how to refer to different people, who seem to all have different pronouns they prefer.

What is gender binary, anyway? I know of a guy whose name is Zero because he has no gender.

I guess I don't grok this. Will someone fill me in? None of these young people can explain it coherently. All I know is that it has nothing to do with sexuality. Some are gay, some are bisexual, some are transgender, and some are straight.
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I don't pay attention to it. I refer to people according to what they look like.
But, I did have to look up "Grok." :giggle:
 
Win, how have you gone from one of my adversaries on this forum to one of my favorites, even though we disagree on so many issues? As I said early on, you are the Yin to my Yang. Even though I frequently disagree with you, I do appreciate your sense of humor and understand what makes you tick. That is what brings us all together.
 
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