Mainland Europe is Burning

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Denmark, Holland, Germany & Austria, are all on fire, plus there are riots
caused by the Anti-Vax people, the Dutch are using Water Cannons to try
and control the uprising, the Danes say that it is led by criminals.

The Germans are considering arresting people who are not vaccinated and
forcibly injecting them, but they probably won't.

This should all be put at the door of Macron in France, he rubbished the
AstraZeneca jab so much that most Europeans were afraid to take it.

Somebody in authority in the UK, while being interviewed about the anti
Vax people said, that the Government are considering that any people who
are not vaccinated will be allowed to travel on public transport, will not be
allowed to travel abroad for a holiday and they will not be allowed into any
NHS Hospital ever, even to visit a patient! I didn't get his name.

All speculation of course, but there is no smoke without fire, watch out for
any developments.

Mike.
 

Mike says: "This should all be put at the door of Macron in France, he rubbished the AstraZeneca jab so much that most Europeans were afraid to take it."

Nonsense, Macron is President of France not the rest of Europe - they make their own decisions!!

The UK recorded 44,242 new coronavirus cases on Friday.

The government has consistently said it has no plans for another lockdown for England, but has said it could bring in extra Covid measures - known as Plan B - to protect the NHS. These would include mandatory Covid passports for some indoor venues, compulsory face coverings in certain indoor settings and advice to work from home.
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if government did nothing in the face of the virus people would be screaming .the government had to implement mandates .people weren't getting vaccines on their own making the pandemic worse. this is an emergency situation, many people understand this. i know people don't like to be told what to do.
 
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Yes there are so many problems here in Europe. I live in Northwest France and not even a few days go by where there are not demonstrations or people in a parade with placards with words of disagreement with the latest mandates.

Its not as easy to get a vaccination as I would have liked. I understand back in the USA there have been real outreach programs for seniors and free vax. They canceled free vax in the summer in Fr. Although we do have one of the highest vax rates, still the Covid increases.

Most demonstrations are about Liberté, in the sense that french people are very heated up when any freedoms are removed. Being told to do anything by government seems to send them into rebellion, sometimes burning cars. Thankfully we rented a garage for the vehicle, so at least it isn't on the street to be kicked in or have th mirrors torn off. I exagerate a bit but still it can get to me at times.

As for Macron, he does well, he can't insist too much on anything or it would be Civil War.

I could go on but its getting long. 💤
 
Alice November said:
Yes there are so many problems here in Europe. I live in Northwest France and not even a few days go by where there are not demonstrations or people in a parade with placards with words of disagreement with the latest mandates.

Its not as easy to get a vaccination as I would have liked. I understand back in the USA there have been real outreach programs for seniors and free vax. They canceled free vax in the summer in Fr. Although we do have one of the highest vax rates, still the Covid increases.

Most demonstrations are about Liberté, in the sense that french people are very heated up when any freedoms are removed. Being told to do anything by government seems to send them into rebellion, sometimes burning cars. Thankfully we rented a garage for the vehicle, so at least it isn't on the street to be kicked in or have th mirrors torn off. I exagerate a bit but still it can get to me at times.

As for Macron, he does well, he can't insist too much on anything or it would be Civil War.

I could go on but its getting long. 💤
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Bonjour Alice, enchante de faire votre connaissance. I won't try to write any more French, as your English is perfect and my French is very poor.

I love France but I do not think it would be an easy country to govern!
 
@Mike Its a firie topic, also a necessary one perhaps. I'm curious about the next stage.
What will it be,more lockdowns, more mandates, more boosters? Death numbers still going up making the same geometric triangle mountain heading straight up and right on the graphs. They say the vax is working. Of course its still mostly us over 65's making those numbers grow.
Please stay safe everyone. ⚜💜🌸💜⚜
 
Still don't understand the Dutch protests. They have very liberal, sensible requirements for Covid passes. Passes are granted to: previously recovered people with naturally conferred immunity, fully vaccinated, those who have had a negative test within 24 hours of the event they wish to attend...and the tests are free! So basically anyone in the Netherlands who is not actively infected with Covid can get a Covid pass.

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Mike said:
Denmark, Holland, Germany & Austria, are all on fire, plus there are riots
caused by the Anti-Vax people, the Dutch are using Water Cannons to try
and control the uprising, the Danes say that it is led by criminals.

The Germans are considering arresting people who are not vaccinated and
forcibly injecting them, but they probably won't.

This should all be put at the door of Macron in France, he rubbished the
AstraZeneca jab so much that most Europeans were afraid to take it.

Somebody in authority in the UK, while being interviewed about the anti
Vax people said, that the Government are considering that any people who
are not vaccinated will be allowed to travel on public transport, will not be
allowed to travel abroad for a holiday and they will not be allowed into any
NHS Hospital ever, even to visit a patient! I didn't get his name.

All speculation of course, but there is no smoke without fire, watch out for
any developments.

Mike.
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The anti-vax hysteria is internet fueled, where lies and manipulation travel at the speed of light. The Danes have it right- riots are likely led by criminals, what other motive could there be.
 
@chic Yes, my Dad was in this part of France at the end of WWII. There is a huge monument to the soldiers of the USA I can practically see it from our apartment. Also when we lived several months in Normandy in St.Severe there is a large cemetary and memorial for aUS artillary tank unit as well. Makes it a bit more real for me living here. Heck, living in France even makes the Fr.Revolution more real to me these days! 😅 ⚜💛🌸💛⚜
 
CarolfromTX said:
Maybe, just maybe, they’re not anti-vaxx so much as anti-mandate. Y’all just don’t seem to get it. Once the government has control of your health care (and make your movements dependent on that,) your freedom is gone.
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Why do you think that? We used to have mandatory testing for TB and people who tested positive and couldn't be safely quarantined at home were forced to enter sanatoriums. Children weren't allowed to start school unless they had, had certain shots when I was in school and when my son was in school. I don't know how it is now, but I'm glad we no longer have to deal with TB, small pox, typhoid fever etc. Our freedom didn't go away because of those mandatory vaccinations, we just all lived in a healthier place and our average life expectancy went up.
 
When I and probably most of you here, were born, after the WWll,
vaccinations were mandatory for all new born children, there were
no people who demonstrated against them, because, they were life
saving.

As for Europe being torn apart by anti-vax people, I don't really think
that is the truth, it is more likely to be illegal immigrants, who for some
reason cannot approach authority to register for vaccine, no papers, or
no money, or just frightened and trying to stop mandatory vaccinations.

Mike.
 
Nathan said:
The anti-vax hysteria is internet fueled, where lies and manipulation travel at the speed of light. The Danes have it right- riots are likely led by criminals, what other motive could there be.
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A desire for history not to repeat itself? 🤔

Nothing is going to magically go back to normal if everyone gets vaccinated, gets boosters and submits to vaccine passports. In your heart, I believe you know this. I believe many people are beginning to see this after the past twenty one months. They no longer believe the leaders who took their freedoms away. That's why they are protesting.
 
Mike said:
When I and probably most of you here, were born, after the WWll,
vaccinations were mandatory for all new born children, there were
no people who demonstrated against them, because, they were life
saving.

As for Europe being torn apart by anti-vax people, I don't really think
that is the truth, it is more likely to be illegal immigrants, who for some
reason cannot approach authority to register for vaccine, no papers, or
no money, or just frightened and trying to stop mandatory vaccinations.

Mike.
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This isn't a vaccine Mike. It's an experimental drug with no product liability given emergency use authorization. And it doesn't work. It doesn't provide immunity to the inoculated. It cannot be compared to any vaccine from the past that went through 10-15 years of clinical trials. You know this. Come on.
 
AnnieA said:
Still don't understand the Dutch protests. They have very liberal, sensible requirements for Covid passes. Passes are granted to: previously recovered people with naturally conferred immunity, fully vaccinated, those who have had a negative test within 24 hours of the event they wish to attend...and the tests are free! So basically anyone in the Netherlands who is not actively infected with Covid can get a Covid pass.
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Why does this have to be explained to you or to anyone! Just because you want to bow down, give up your freedoms and be a servant to the ruling class doesn't mean that everyone else wants the same. Many of us want to continue living, being healthy, happy, freedom loving human beings, who care about our loved ones and the rest of humanity and want to make OUR OWN decisions for how we live the rest of our lives.

I'm not a lab rat and don't want any psychopathic strangers shooting poisons into my body or cramming them up my nose to my brain as a so called test. No, none of that is reasonable, and certainly none of that would be helpful to me nor to anyone else. Personally I don't care in the least for the ruling class that's behind this and I wish they'd all disappear.

That many people don't understand fascism and oppression when it's smacking you in the face is why this issue has kept perpetuating over the last two years as otherwise it would have disappeared before it even got started.

@Aneeda72 - Whooshhhhhh, right over your head. 🙄 Your dictatorial oppressors have NO RIGHT to force me nor any one else to do anything. However, you're all free to spit on each other if you wish, to "save" yourselves or whatever. 🙄

Warrigal said:
After the war . . . US troops in Italy lined up people, including young women, and sprayed their pubes and armpits with DDT to control parasites.
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@Warrigal - That's exactly the same kind of dictatorial toxic and dangerous oppression that's happening now.
 
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chic said:
Being forced to be jabbed with an experimental drug promoted as a vaccine under "emergency use authorization" with no product liability or lose all your freedoms and rights indefinitely. What could possibly go wrong?

Kudos to the protestors. I hope they help set the rest of us free.
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Set you free from what?

Why aren’t you joining protests? I am sure you could find one somewhere. You are as free to die from Covid as the rest of us are. thousands of unmasked people, expressing their freedom, and gathering together in tight quarters breathing each other’s air into each others faces.

Feel FREE to join them. Bet you don’t. After all what could possibly go? 😂😂😂
 
Della said:
Why do you think that? We used to have mandatory testing for TB and people who tested positive and couldn't be safely quarantined at home were forced to enter sanatoriums. Children weren't allowed to start school unless they had, had certain shots when I was in school and when my son was in school. I don't know how it is now, but I'm glad we no longer have to deal with TB, small pox, typhoid fever etc. Our freedom didn't go away because of those mandatory vaccinations, we just all lived in a healthier place and our average life expectancy went up.
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TB is still an issue
 
Much of Europe, and Asia, has a higher population density than we do....and the bulk of those people are crowded together in cities. It is quite understandable that people in those nations would be more susceptible to this virus. But, with the holidays approaching, and large groups gathering at the sports stadiums and bars, etc., I will not be surprised if we have another major "spike" in the near future.

This is NOT a good time for Anyone to be letting down their guard. Contrary to some, I do NOT believe that this a some sort of government "conspiracy", rather, it is a global crisis that must be taken seriously. Government "dictates" are likely something we will have to deal with until this virus becomes a minor issue.
 
John cycling said:
Why does this have to be explained to you or to anyone! Just because you want to bow down, give up your freedoms and be a servant to the ruling class doesn't mean that everyone else wants the same. Many of us want to continue living, being healthy, happy, freedom loving human beings, who care about our loved ones and the rest of humanity and want to make OUR OWN decisions for how we live the rest of our lives.

I'm not a lab rat and don't want any psychopathic strangers shooting poisons into my body or cramming them up my nose to my brain as a so called test. No, none of that is reasonable, and certainly none of that would be helpful to me nor to anyone else. Personally I don't care in the least for the ruling class that's behind this and I wish they'd all disappear.

That many people don't understand fascism and oppression when it's smacking you in the face is why this issue has kept perpetuating over the last two years as otherwise it would have disappeared before it even got started.
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😂😂😂 ”cramming them up my nose to my brain as a so called test”; catch up @John cycling-there is a salvia test. You spit into a tube. I am sure you know how to spit. Lose the drama, nothing goes into YOUR brain, nothing. I am quite sure of this. 😉

As for “psychopathic strangers shooting poisons into your body”; hmm, better than having the doctor stuff his finger up your butt, his middle finger. After all, you don’t know how many butts that doctors finger has been up. Certainly more scary than a clean swap up the nose.

But just spit John, just spit. 😊
 

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