Another school shooting,

Tom 86 said:
One of the boys in the picture tried to disarm him but got killed for doing what he thought was right.

Maybe the parents are going to the woods & committing harry carry. Like the kid that killed his fiance out in Yellowstone.

When I was in school in the 40s & 50s we carried guns inside to work on them in the shop. NO one ever killed another kid or person. If there was a problem we settled it with our fists. Then we were back friends in 15 minutes.
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"Maybe the parents are going to the woods & committing harry carry. Like the kid that killed his fiance out in Yellowstone."
I thought about that Tom. In fact, the first thing I thought when I read they can't be found was "shades of Brian Laundrie!"
 

Tom 86 said:
Same here in Indiana. This past week two-woman & a baby got killed because the judge let the guys out with ankle bracelets.
they had beat up their wives & even shot a couple of other people.

When their bail was set at $250,000.00. The $%^* judge thought that was too high. So he lowered it to $250.00 but also they had to go back on ankle bracelets. Well, long story short. All three of the guys cut off their ankle bracelets, went & killed their wives. the other one the elevator didn't go to the top from his looks on the news killed his girlfriend's, 4-month-old baby.

He told the police he didn't want to pay child support for 20+ years.
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A woman was murdered in a home-invasion in Beverly Hills, CA a few days ago. The suspect has a lengthy criminal history:
https://abc7news.com/jacqueline-avant-murder-home-invasion-trousdale-estates/11294213/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-a...utives-wife-couples-beverly/story?id=81525627
 
So sad. Such an elegant lady, and a philanthropic one at that. :(

But the perpetrator gave new meaning to "shooting yourself in the foot".
 
win231 said:
A woman was murdered in a home-invasion in Beverly Hills, CA a few days ago. The suspect has a lengthy criminal history:
https://abc7news.com/jacqueline-avant-murder-home-invasion-trousdale-estates/11294213/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-a...utives-wife-couples-beverly/story?id=81525627
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Yes she was the wife of a music mogul (pictured with her) who jump started many music careers over the decades. I wondered how he could be home and his security guard and have this happen. But their home is so sprawling til maybe they were in different parts of the house.
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Irwin said:
Ethan Crumbley may be schizophrenic. He wrote some weird notes and was caught doing so, which prompted the meeting between the school and the parents. His loving mother told him that he has to "learn to not get caught." View attachment 197273

So now the parents may be on the run to avoid spending the rest of their lives in prison.
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WTH??!! So they bought him a gun for Christmas, he posted about it on social media, at least a couple of the school officials were aware that he had drawn a picture of a gun and a victim and wrote a cry for help. There's a meeting with the parents during which time the boy had his backpack with him. The parents knew he had a gun. Why the HELL didn't the school official at that meeting ask to see the contents of his backpack? WHY did was he allowed to go back to class? They really dropped the ball on this one.
 
IMO, Both the parents, AND the school share responsibility for this tragedy. The parents, for making the gun available to a youngster who likely was having some "issues"....and the school for not checking the backpack/locker of a student who was facing disciplinary action.

With all the lunacy in today's world, and the number of school shootings in recent years, I would think that the schools would be paying more attention to students who are "misbehaving". But then, "Political Correctness" seems to be an increasing "priority"....heaven forbid that anyone should have their Rights or Privacy violated.
 
I watched the press conference with Michigan's District Attorney. As we have learned, being charged does not mean being convicted.
The case against the parents is precedent setting. Unfortunately, nothing much will happen to them.
Michigan has no legal requirement to store firearms securely so minors can't access them. Therefore, allowing the kid access to a gun is not a crime.
The kid's attorney will likely be able to prove mental illness, rather than a crime. The kid will spend some time in an institution & be allowed visits with his parents, then a psychiatrist will declare him "No longer a danger to himself & others" & released to save costs - much like John Hinckley.
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/27/1040872498/john-hinckley-unconditional-release
 
The parents bring to mind another thread in which someone asked if humans can ever live in harmony ...maybe if we breed out aggressive and stupid.... Thinking of these folks, Adam Lanza's mom, the footage of Ma'Khai Bryant's father earlier this year. Some people strike out on both nature and nurture and shouldn't procreate.
 
dseag2 said:
Not saying that there was anything forgivable about this incident, but when I saw the pictures of the students who were killed they were all very attractive. I can only imagine the student who killed the others felt very inferior and was lashing out. We all went to schools where there were "popular" students, "jocks", and then the "outcasts".

The shooter was most likely an outcast, bullied by the more popular students. The tragedy of this is that the father bought the weapon a few days ago and his son got his hands on it.

Not exonerating the shooter, but high school kids can be very cruel.
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My daughter and i were talking last night that this is one of the few School Shooters (so distressing that the phrase is routine part of our language now) we can have some sympathy for--nothing excuses such acts--but some things explain and mitigate.

Apparently there were no official reports of any bullying. Nor did he mention it in writings/drawings that were obvious cries for help that prompted his parents to be called in to school twice in recent weeks including the morning of the shooting. A teacher reported seeing him ordering ammo on his phone, and apparently he did a drawing with body with bullet holes and the words: "The thoughts won't stop, somebody help me!"

The school wanted him in therapy quickly, and wanted parent to take him home that day, but THEY resisted that idea. That's on the parents, that neither his locker or backpack were searched--and certainly there was just cause, is on the school, unless the parents told them they'd better get a warrant first.

i put some responsibility on any parent who gives and a youngster easy access to a gun, but i think over time we'll learn these parents warrant more blame than most--save perhaps Kyle Rittenhouse's.
 
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Irwin said:
Ethan Crumbley may be schizophrenic. He wrote some weird notes and was caught doing so, which prompted the meeting between the school and the parents. His loving mother told him that he has to "learn to not get caught." View attachment 197273

So now the parents may be on the run to avoid spending the rest of their lives in prison.
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This is my suspicion as well, he's at an age where schizoid break common. My DD told me about the 'Learn not to get caught' comment. Geez...this kid needed help, he apparently even asked directly on one of the drawings he made: "The thoughts won't stop. Somebody help me."

i am so glad they've been apprehended. But is anyone surprised they abandoned him to flee? They had to see signs at home like school was--so they buy him a gun? One has to wonder about their stability as well. Tho i want them held to legal standard of sanity--and IMO opinion running in this situation says you know what you did was wrong in eyes of the law.
 
Jackie23 said:
One thing about all this....it may just open up a new method of gun control in prosecuting the parents of underage shooters....it's a start, and I'm all for that.
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Here in Indiana, we have a law that says parents of kids "must" keep all weapons locked in a secure place. We also have the red flag law. If a person is mentally unstable, they can come in & take all the guns until they can prove they are capable of keeping them.
 
Don M. said:
IMO, Both the parents, AND the school share responsibility for this tragedy. The parents, for making the gun available to a youngster who likely was having some "issues"....and the school for not checking the backpack/locker of a student who was facing disciplinary action.

With all the lunacy in today's world, and the number of school shootings in recent years, I would think that the schools would be paying more attention to students who are "misbehaving". But then, "Political Correctness" seems to be an increasing "priority"....heaven forbid that anyone should have their Rights or Privacy violated.
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That's what I was thinking. He has 4th Amendment protection from unreasonable search and seizure, but it sounds like nobody even asked him if he had access to a gun, much less if he had a gun in his backpack or locker. The parents should have been asked if there are guns in the house that he might have access to.

It seems like common sense at this point, but maybe some information will come out that explains why the parent's weren't questioned about whether or not the son had access to firearms.

Something else I was thinking about... There is no statute of limitations on murder, and if parents can be charged for murder when they're responsible for their children getting access to firearms, all the past mass murder cases could be opened back up and the parents charged. Not that it will happen, but it opens up the possibility of other irresponsible gun owners getting punished.
 
22 pistol that I repaired the hammer then chrome plated it. 22 Remington pump that had a slot for 18 shells. 12 & 20 gauge shotguns to repair. A neighbor had me take a 10 gauge shotgun to fix the break open lock. I still have that shotgun as he gave it to me before he passed away & I was 28 years old at the time.
38 police special that needed a firing pin that I made at the school shop, it was my grandpas but he gave it to my dad.
 
Tom 86 said:
Here in Indiana, we have a law that says parents of kids "must" keep all weapons locked in a secure place. We also have the red flag law. If a person is mentally unstable, they can come in & take all the guns until they can prove they are capable of keeping them.
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Same here in CA. Plus 10-day wait, pass written test & detailed background check at our cost.
BUT, we have to remember something: Criminals don't get their guns that way. They can't pass a background check due to their criminal records, they don't want to fill out any paperwork or answer the required questions & they don't want to wait 10 days. And, as a prohibited person, they are already committing a crime just by walking into a gun store or handling guns or ammunition. They get their guns the same way people get any banned product, like cocaine; on the street & the Black Market. That's why such laws don't work.
 
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Just realized I haven’t been in a high school for any reason for so long, I have no idea what the rules are for guards checking for weapons is. If the expectation is that it happened when he came into the school with his parents, the teachers wouldn’t be thinking to do it again.

If he’s being tried as an adult, can his parents be charged for giving a gun to a minor?
 
helenbacque said:
What has changed in the past 30 years to make a young boy think that killing is the solution to anything?
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People have always killed including kids at school but those were usually motivated by one individual being angry with another until the late 80s. I think 24/7 media coverage has a lot to do with with the uptick of multi-victim and mass shootings. School shootings with multiple victims became more prevalent in the late 80s... 24/7 cable news was taking off at that time.
 

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