Run-in with a jerk

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win231 said:
"It would be supportive of a fellow member to accept this."
Really? That one takes the cake and first prize. Everyone should support fellow members whether we agree with them or not.
The bully is the one who starts a fight by being passive aggressive by blocking an aisle with his cart.
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I hardly call Chef's actions passive aggressive. As he stated, it is common for people to board the bus with carts. Are all of them passive aggressive. Maybe it would be appropriate to read the rest of Chef's remarks. Easy for you or any of us to armchair quarterback. We were not there! And, I think in this instance we should take Chef's word for how things when down, don't you? If not, what kind of man are you? How far are you willing to let yourself be pushed? I love my life but here are times one should love ideals and stand up for them. Our puny lives generally are just that unless we take a stand, in my humble opinion. I hope you get me win231. 💖
 
IFortuna said:
No, I did not say that. The fact that a senior and a member of this forum stood up for himself should be enough not to criticize him, in my opinion. If you want to disagree fine. I see it as he stood up for me as a senior as well as himself. If there are occasions that we should not support a fellow member, this is not one of them in my opinion. You have your opinion and I have mine. I love a man or woman that will stand up to a bully. It may not always be smart or wise, but I respect it. He assessed the situation and took the action he felt compelled to take. I support that. I was not there to criticize what he decided to do.
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Intelligent people know the difference between "Standing up to a bully" and "Escalating a conflict that you started."
 
What neither @IFortuna or @Skyking bothered to consider is they were not here from the beginning of either this thread or for the brief duration of Senor Chef's time with us. (He took issue with some rules, butting heads with Admin, and either chose not to continue membership or was asked to leave.) But before this post he had shown us who he was and we had good reasons to be suspicious of his veracity.

I'm not going to go into detail since he's no longer here to speak for himself. I will say age does not confer wisdom or any other virtue, nor does it make a person either a victim or a hero especially when when they refuse to consider/respect any POV other than their own on any topic. I have little doubt that had he been the passenger standing, trying to get by on a moving vehicle he could have spun just as passionate presentation of the seated person with cart being a 'jerk'. But he could/would not see the possibility the other person was as tired and.could view his behavior equally annoying.

As for supporting fellow members, where is the line to be drawn? Unconditional support of someone just because we have a single descriptor in common, our age, is as irrational as attacking someone because they belong to different demographic. My bottomline is behavior.

And heck, i still worry about that puppy he adopted.
 
IFortuna said:
I hardly call Chef's actions passive aggressive. As he stated, it is common for people to board the bus with carts. Are all of them passive aggressive. Maybe it would be appropriate to read the rest of Chef's remarks. Easy for you or any of us to armchair quarterback. We were not there! And, I think in this instance we should take Chef's word for how things when down, don't you? If not, what kind of man are you? How far are you willing to let yourself be pushed? I love my life but here are times one should love ideals and stand up for them. Our puny lives generally are just that unless we take a stand, in my humble opinion. I hope you get me win231. 💖
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I certainly do get you. So does everyone else.
 
feywon said:
What neither @IFortuna or @Skyking bothered to consider is they were not here from the beginning of either this thread or for the brief duration of Senor Chef's time with us. (He took issue with some rules, butting heads with Admin, and either chose not to continue membership or was asked to leave.) But before this post he had shown us who he was and we had good reasons to be suspicious of his veracity.

I'm not going to go into detail since he's no longer here to speak for himself. I will say age does not confer wisdom or any other virtue, nor does it make a person either a victim or a hero especially when when they refuse to consider/respect any POV other than their own on any topic. I have little doubt that had he been the passenger standing, trying to get by on a moving vehicle he could have spun just as passionate presentation of the seated person with cart being a 'jerk'. But he could/would not see the possibility the other person was as tired and.could view his behavior equally annoying.

As for supporting fellow members, where is the line to be drawn? Unconditional support of someone just because we have a single descriptor in common, our age, is as irrational as attacking someone because they belong to different demographic. My bottomline is behavior.

And heck, i still worry about that puppy he adopted.
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I don’t really think he adopted a puppy. I think that was all made up. I didn’t even notice he had left or was gone. 😂
 
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Aneeda72 said:
I don’t really think he adopted a puppy. I think that was all made up. I didn’t even notice he had left or was gone. 😂
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A possibility, like the dreams of a lost love that He wanted to stop yet found reasons to reject every suggestion made about how to do so.
And i'm going hope it was rhe case.
 
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Gaer said:
Senior Chef was attacked from most of you from the moment he joined this group.
He was in constant defense.
He was a nice man and yes, He had a puppy!
He loved cooking and wanted to share his recipes!
He was a friend of mine.
Of course he left! Some of you were horrible to him!
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Not me..I don't think I attacked him...:unsure:
 
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Gaer said:
Senior Chef was attacked from most of you from the moment he joined this group.
He was in constant defense.
He was a nice man and yes, He had a puppy!
He loved cooking and wanted to share his recipes!
He was a friend of mine.
Of course he left! Some of you were horrible to him!
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Don'tcha just hate it when that happens?
It's so damn unfair!
Someone is a racist troublemaker, he posts about how proud of himself he is & people are horrible to him!
Now we ain't gettin' no recipes!
 
I can't help wondering if all the people who "Won't take any crap." take any steps to ensure they don't inadvertently give anyone else crap? Sometimes it's hard to tell if someone is on line or not in a crowded store.

While I agree that sometimes we have take a stand for principles/values including speaking up for oneself if someone is trying to take advantage. However, my default mode is not to make assumptions that someone is being deliberately problematic, when other explanations possible. Especially in big cities where rushing, and focusing only on what you need/want to do, tuning out anything not your goal is common.
 
Gaer said:
Senior Chef was attacked from most of you from the moment he joined this group.
He was in constant defense.
He was a nice man and yes, He had a puppy!
He loved cooking and wanted to share his recipes!
He was a friend of mine.
Of course he left! Some of you were horrible to him!
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Did YOU personally go to his house and meet his puppy? He received a LOT of suggestions from people who know how to care for puppies, on how he should care for his puppy. He rejected almost all of them. As a result, the puppy was treated like, well, crap; as he himself said.

Chaining a dog in the house as I remember. Chicken wire used for a puppy pen. No appropriate vet visits and on and on and on. Always blaming the puppy for its misbehavior and not himself. Whatever. I am not interested enough to go back and read, and quote, the couple of threads on the supposed puppy as I did not believe, at that time or now, that he had a puppy.

If he actually did, then the puppy was abused. You should have asked your angles to rescue the puppy which, if I remember correct, he did not keep. So, maybe, you did or they did.

As for cooking, I don’t.
 
feywon said:
I can't help wondering if all the people who "Won't take any crap." take any steps to ensure they don't inadvertently give anyone else crap? Sometimes it's hard to tell if someone is on line or not in a crowded store.

While I agree that sometimes we have take a stand for principles/values including speaking up for oneself if someone is trying to take advantage. However, my default mode is not to make assumptions that someone is being deliberately problematic, when other explanations possible. Especially in big cities where rushing, and focusing only on what you need/want to do, tuning out anything not your goal is common.
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Well, I take a lot of crap, therefore, I try and share as much of it as I can. 😊
 
feywon said:
What neither @IFortuna or @Skyking bothered to consider is they were not here from the beginning of either this thread or for the brief duration of Senor Chef's time with us. (He took issue with some rules, butting heads with Admin, and either chose not to continue membership or was asked to leave.) But before this post he had shown us who he was and we had good reasons to be suspicious of his veracity.

I'm not going to go into detail since he's no longer here to speak for himself. I will say age does not confer wisdom or any other virtue, nor does it make a person either a victim or a hero especially when when they refuse to consider/respect any POV other than their own on any topic. I have little doubt that had he been the passenger standing, trying to get by on a moving vehicle he could have spun just as passionate presentation of the seated person with cart being a 'jerk'. But he could/would not see the possibility the other person was as tired and.could view his behavior equally annoying.

As for supporting fellow members, where is the line to be drawn? Unconditional support of someone just because we have a single descriptor in common, our age, is as irrational as attacking someone because they belong to different demographic. My bottomline is behavior.

And heck, i still worry about that puppy he adopted.
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Exactly, but I do believe there was no puppy.
Sometimes some people make up stories to ingratiate themselves and to win support.
I have heard so many tales, of dying relatives, of losing fortunes, of being poverty stricken.
Chef was a drama queen and I am amused at Fortuna's bizarre obsession with him.
 
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