Another problem coming for Air Travel

Don M.

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5G cell phone service is starting in a couple of days. However, it appears that if there is a cell phone tower in close proximity to an airport, those signals could affect the aircrafts ability to accurately track the Altitude. That could prove to be a major hazard...especially during periods of cloudy/foggy weather where the pilots have to rely on their instruments for a safe landing. This sounds like something that will make air travel even more of a hassle, as airlines try to figure out how to overcome this issue.

https://news.yahoo.com/airline-executives-implore-feds-keep-005127232.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
 

I wondered why there was no FAA, or FCC official warning. From the article, planes have to be upgraded to prevent the problem. "Airlines executives" warn about the frequency issue, and don't want the 5G near their airports. I get it, who wants to pay for expensive updates for planes. Yet, 5G is going to be inevitable.
 
The chief executives of major U.S. passenger and cargo carriers on Monday warned of an impending 'catastrophic' aviation crisis on Wednesday when AT&T and Verizon finally deploy their new 5G services.

The two companies have spent tens of billions of dollars to license the 3.7 to 3.98 GHz frequency range for its new high-speed C-Band 5G service.

But officials with the FAA and airplane manufacturer Boeing have warned that there is potential for interference with vital aircraft instruments that operate in the 4.2 to 4.4 GHz range, such as radio altimeters that tell pilots their altitude as they fly in low visibility.

In short, the fear is that false altitude readings could confuse pilots as they approach the runway in poor visibility conditions, with potentially disastrous results.

The executives warned that some planes, including Boeing 787s, 777s, 737s, could even be grounded permanently over the safety concerns which will affect passengers and delay cargo being transported.

And on a day like Sunday when winter weather gripped the nation, the CEOs claim in their letter that interference to airplanes' altimeters could result in 'more than 1,100 flights and 100,000 passengers would be subjected to cancellations, diversions or delays.'

Other planes could be grounded permanently because the altimeter provides signals to their mandated safety features.

AT&T and Verizon, which won nearly all of the C-Band spectrum in an $80 billion auction last year, have agreed to buffer zones around 50 airports to reduce interference risks and take other steps to cut potential interference for six months. But many of the major airports were not included in the list.

Action is urgent, the executives added in the letter, writing: 'To be blunt, the nation's commerce will grind to a halt.'

It was signed by the chief executives of American Airlines, JetBlue Delta Air Lines, United Airlines and Southwest Airlines, as well as officials from FedEx Express and UPS Airlines.
 
Interestingly the British Aviation companies are saying pretty much the opposite....

Today British authorities all played down the issue, with a spokesman for the CAA saying: 'We are aware of reports that suggest that the frequency band being used for 5G in a number of countries could potentially pose a risk of interference with aircraft radio altimeters.

'There have been no reported incidents of aircraft systems being affected by 5G transmissions in UK airspace, but we are nonetheless working with Ofcom and the Ministry of Defence to make sure that the deployment of 5G in the UK does not cause any technical problems for aircraft.'

Ofcom said: 'We're aware that the aviation sector is looking at this; we've done our own technical analysis and are yet to see any evidence that would give us cause for concern.'

Gareth Elliott, Head of Policy and Communications at Mobile UK, said the networks were 'coordinating with the aviation authorities' to ensure there was 'no interference in the UK'.
 
Flying used to fun, flying used to make you feel special. For the last couple of decades it's been very painful. Sort of "no pain no gain" in order just to get some where. I think it's alright for the young who don't know any better. My first flight was in 1970 when I flew from Toronto to London, UK. Believe it or not, we had full meal when the plane took off and a lovely breakfast before we landed in "jolly ole' London." Oh yes, you also got a beer or a rum or vodka and some asked for seconds. Today you are considered lucky if you get a cup of McDonald's Coffee and a tiny bag of peanuts. My late wife and I flew Westjet from Canada to London in 2019 and that's about all we got. I though we would at least get some sort of meal as the flight was overnight. HA! I guess I expected too much!
 
Flying used to fun, flying used to make you feel special. For the last couple of decades it's been very painful. Sort of "no pain no gain" in order just to get some where. I think it's alright for the young who don't know any better. My first flight was in 1970 when I flew from Toronto to London, UK. Believe it or not, we had full meal when the plane took off and a lovely breakfast before we landed in "jolly ole' London." Oh yes, you also got a beer or a rum or vodka and some asked for seconds. Today you are considered lucky if you get a cup of McDonald's Coffee and a tiny bag of peanuts. My late wife and I flew Westjet from Canada to London in 2019 and that's about all we got. I though we would at least get some sort of meal as the flight was overnight. HA! I guess I expected too much!
we still get food and alcohol on our flights.. not quite a 3 course meal as we once did, but still food and drink if we want it... but you;re so right, it;s not the flying experience that's so bad, it's the airport experience which is excruciating... and until the pandemic hit I was flying at least 3 times a year ..just dreaded it every time...
 
Always wondered why when there are product recalls on whatever what types of testing and research was done prior to giving the geed light to release them to the public. "WHOOPS!" isn't really very comforting to us users.
 
we still get food and alcohol on our flights.. not quite a 3 course meal as we once did, but still food and drink if we want it... but you;re so right, it;s not the flying experience that's so bad, it's the airport experience which is excruciating... and until the pandemic hit I was flying at least 3 times a year ..just dreaded it every time...
WOW! You get food and alcohol on your flights. That's wonderful! What's the secret? Do you fly 1st class? Do you pay for your food and drinks when you are buying a ticket? Please name the airline you use and your secret of getting food and drinks? I bet you are not flying Westjet (based in Calgary, Canada).
 
Where is Capt. oldman when you need him?
I haven't been keeping up with the news much. More concerned with just getting myself back to some kind of normalcy. However, one problem that I can think of that may cause real issues is planes that land using the airport's ILS system, or Instrument Landing System, which guides the plane down to the runway to make a precision landing will be that the plane's gyro system may receive or emit false data. Not good in any which way for pilots.

I would imagine that airports will have to do some very quick updating of their equipment both at the airport and the manufactures, mainly Boeing and Airbus will also have to install some new devices to keep up with the new generations of technology. Planes use radio waves for a number of instruments onboard, so getting updated instruments should be a primary concern.
 
I haven't been keeping up with the news much. More concerned with just getting myself back to some kind of normalcy. However, one problem that I can think of that may cause real issues is planes that land using the airport's ILS system, or Instrument Landing System, which guides the plane down to the runway to make a precision landing will be that the plane's gyro system may receive or emit false data. Not good in any which way for pilots.

I would imagine that airports will have to do some very quick updating of their equipment both at the airport and the manufactures, mainly Boeing and Airbus will also have to install some new devices to keep up with the new generations of technology. Planes use radio waves for a number of instruments onboard, so getting updated instruments should be a primary concern.
@oldman .. good to see you here. Hope you are getting better.
 
I would imagine that airports will have to do some very quick updating of their equipment both at the airport and the manufactures, mainly Boeing and Airbus will also have to install some new devices to keep up with the new generations of technology. Planes use radio waves for a number of instruments onboard, so getting updated instruments should be a primary concern.

If they Don't, it will just be a question of time before the news reports an aircraft crashing during landing.
 
If they Don't, it will just be a question of time before the news reports an aircraft crashing during landing.
The ILS is very dependent upon accurate readings. I would imagine that the Altimeters will have to be changed asap to keep up with the newest technology. I'm not sure what affect 5G will have on the Gyro , other than supporting it.
 


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