Graham Nash removes his music from Spotify

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Graham Nash states that he is removing his music to support his former bandmate Neil Young in protest over COVID-19 misinformation. “Having heard the COVID disinformation spread by Joe Rogan on Spotify, I completely agree with and support my friend Neil Young, and I am requesting that my solo recordings be removed from the service,” Nash’s statement reads.

“There is a difference between being open to varying viewpoints on a matter and knowingly spreading false information which some 270 medical professionals have derided as not only false but dangerous. The opinions publicized by Rogan are so dishonest and unsupported by solid facts that Spotify becomes an enabler in a way that costs people their lives.”
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/02/01/graham-nash-india-arie-remove-spotify-music/
 

here is a quote to think about

" The problem I have with the term "misinformation" is that many of the things that we thought of as misinformation just a short while ago are now accepted as fact. Like, for instance , eight months ago , if you said ,"if you get vaccinated , you can still catch Covid and you can still spread Covid," you'd be removed from social media , they would ban you from certain platforms. Now , that's accepted as fact.
If you said, " i don't think cloth masks work," you would be banned from social media. NOW that's openly and repeatedly stated on CNN.
If you said, " i think it is possible that Covid-19 came from a lab" you'd be banned from many social media platforms. Now that is a cover of Newsweek.
all of those theories that at one point in time were banned, were openly discussed by those two men that i had on my podcast and have been accused of dangerous misinformation."
BY Joe Rogan
 
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What did Rogan say that caused all this? (I don't do Spotify)

I've tried to find an article or whatever that says what he said but none of them say what he said. They just say misinformation or false information. I did read several articles that said only 87 of the 270 signers of the written complaint to Spotify are medical doctors and the rest are from assorted professions including engineers, teachers, and psychologists, a veterinarian, a dentist, a social worker, physicians' assistants, and one biochemist, and that just under 100 of them are either Ph.Ds or Ph.D candidates.

I think it's hilarious that maybe we've been misinformed about who's who on that letter.
 

Murrmurr said:
What did Rogan say that caused all this? (I don't do Spotify)

I've tried to find an article or whatever that says what he said but none of them say what he said. They just say misinformation or false information. I did read several articles that said only 87 of the 270 signers of the written complaint to Spotify are medical doctors and the rest are from assorted professions including engineers, teachers, and psychologists, a veterinarian, a dentist, a social worker, physicians' assistants, and one biochemist, and that just under 100 of them are either Ph.Ds or Ph.D candidates.

I think it's hilarious that maybe we've been misinformed about who's who on that letter.
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Joe Rogan had Dr Robert Malone and Dr Peter McCullough both people who see this issue from another angle on a few of his podcasts.
Misinformation is a very vague word used to shut others down .... and the quote i posted from Mr Rogan highlights that as information changes some once labeled "misinformation" is now OK.

Just like Neil Young said awful things during HIV/ Aids early days but he said sorry so all is good.....

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/01/31/neil-young-public-health-comments/
 
Irwin said:
Graham Nash states that he is removing his music to support his former bandmate Neil Young in protest over COVID-19 misinformation. “Having heard the COVID disinformation spread by Joe Rogan on Spotify, I completely agree with and support my friend Neil Young, and I am requesting that my solo recordings be removed from the service,” Nash’s statement reads.

“There is a difference between being open to varying viewpoints on a matter and knowingly spreading false information which some 270 medical professionals have derided as not only false but dangerous. The opinions publicized by Rogan are so dishonest and unsupported by solid facts that Spotify becomes an enabler in a way that costs people their lives.”
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/02/01/graham-nash-india-arie-remove-spotify-music/
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Has anyone ever listened to Graham Nash's solo recordings? It's worse than having Covid.
 
Just like anything everyone has different views of what is truth and what is false information. People can choose for themselves whichever side they want to go with that. Musicians seem to have a bit more leverage especially when it comes to this sort of platform as they can speak out by removing their music if they so please. I honestly don't think Spotify cares one bit if Neil Young, Joni Mitchell or Graham Nash has requested there music be removed. Now I think Spotify will start squirming a bit more if artists such as Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande, Ed Sheeran and other top artists who get thousands and thousands of hits per day start removing there music. Then they will start caring about this issue a bit more. I am not saying the likes of Neil Young and the others aren't influential artists, but impact artists of today like Taylor Swift would make Spotify listen a bit more.
 
Jeni said:
here is a quote to think about

" The problem I have with the term "misinformation" is that many of the things that we thought of as misinformation just a short while ago are now accepted as fact. Like, for instance , eight months ago , if you said ,"if you get vaccinated , you can still catch Covid and you can still spread Covid," you'd be removed from social media , they would ban you from certain platforms. Now , that's accepted as fact.
If you said, " i don't think cloth masks work," you would be banned from social media. NOW that's openly and repeatedly stated on CNN.
If you said, " i think it is possible that Covid-19 came from a lab" you'd be banned from many social media platforms. Now that is a cover of Newsweek.
all of those theories that at one point in time were banned, were openly discussed by those two men that i had on my podcast and have been accused of dangerous misinformation."
BY Joe Rogan
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Those are strawman arguments. There's no truth to them, whatsoever.
 
Irwin said:
Those are strawman arguments. There's no truth to them, whatsoever.
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i just posted a quote ...to think about

Is it not true that the cloth mask debate came up after a YEAR of false safety..... i have seen article after article about please upgrade masks cloth is " face decoration" their words .... perhaps that is to sell masks from companies sell n95 and experts are invested in those companies.

Is it not true that even the CDC admits the vaccine did not prevent spread or people from getting it. Look at the numbers the cases of vaccinated are no longer referred to as rare ... the talking points now just promote a "MILD" case.

And many studies are still on going as the LAB theory has raised many questions......by many countries.

I just think the term " misinformation" is a vague term being used to shut down questions and people who see things differently... and it shows how censorship is happening because everyone seems to be
" i was for it before i was against it " type of excusing shutting down disagreement to a narrative.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Neil Young put out a whole anti-GMO album. Misinformation!
https://www.thedailybeast.com/neil-youngs-long-record-of-spreading-scientific-misinformation
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Wow the Daily Rag Beast, I feel like I really wasted part of my life reading that! Too bad so many are mistaking OPINION for Fact.




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Young’s anti-GMO rhetoric helped fuel a narrative that made it easy to spread fear and distrust about COVID vaccines, most of which used novel biotechnology methods and some of which use genetic engineering.
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That's probably THE most absurd statement I've heard in a while, how does that even work? The people spreading misinformation about Covid and the vaccines are about as far politically removed from Neil Young's position as can be.

Sorry, don't get to blame Neil Young...not today!
 
CarolfromTX said:
I predict this will backfire, as these things often do. I hope it does.
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What do you think will backfire?

I mean the artists here are all multi- millionaires that have removed their music from Spotify. There are other music platforms like Pandora that they can put there music on if they want to. The way I look at it the artists don't really have much to lose here. Spotify is what will be in trouble if top artists of today start to follow in the footsteps of these others. I don't see what could backfire.
 
Remember when someone wanted to boycott Goya? Goya had its best (business) quarter ever. Joe Rogan‘s audience may grow rather than shrink. Ditto Spotify, just because of the publicity.
 
CarolfromTX said:
Remember when someone wanted to boycott Goya? Goya had its best (business) quarter ever. Joe Rogan‘s audience may grow rather than shrink. Ditto Spotify, just because of the publicity.
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I agree publicity can do that, but I also think many people put celebrities and musical artists on a certain higher pedestal as well whether that is the correct thing to do or not. It could also easily work in the opposite direction.
 
Nathan said:
Wow the Daily Rag Beast, I feel like I really wasted part of my life reading that! Too bad so many are mistaking OPINION for Fact.




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That's probably THE most absurd statement I've heard in a while, how does that even work? The people spreading misinformation about Covid and the vaccines are about as far politically removed from Neil Young's position as can be.

Sorry, don't get to blame Neil Young...not today!
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Just a joke. I don't care about Neil Young, I've never listened to Joe Rogan and I don't use Spotify. I will point out that people last year were getting called racist, and other things, for mentioning the lab leak theory. Now it's certainly an accepted theory, if not a proven fact.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02833-6/fulltext
 
Rah-Rah said:
I agree publicity can do that, but I also think many people put celebrities and musical artists on a certain higher pedestal as well whether that is the correct thing to do or not. It could also easily work in the opposite direction.
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I guess we’ll see. Although why anyone would put a celeb on a high pedestal is beyond me, especially given all the bad choices so many of them have made.
 
CarolfromTX said:
I guess we’ll see.
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Yes, I suppose it could work either way. I truly feel in the case of Spotify they honestly don't care much either because of the artists that are removing there content at the moment. If artists let's say like Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande, Ed Sheeran or other other top artists of today start removing there music from the format then Spotify will start to take notice a lot quicker. These are impact artists who get hundreds of thousands of hits on their music per day and that is much different then Neil Young, Joni Mitchell or Graham Nash.
 
JimBob1952 said:
I will point out that people last year were getting called racist, and other things, for mentioning the lab leak theory.
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It was the way it was being told that was racist. Vancouver has a very high percentage Asian population. There were a significant number of racist attacks on them because of this.

JimBob1952 said:
I've never listened to Joe Rogan and I don't use Spotify.
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Sometimes I listened to him, if the guest seemed interesting. He’s opinionated and mostly I found him frustrating. I try to listen to all sides of a conversation. When he moved to Spotify, I quit even though it’s free if you put up with the commercials.
 
The Lab Leak Theory is primarily conjecture. It may be true, but there's no definitive proof because China won't allow a thorough investigation, and the reason for that could be that they're hiding the fact that it was cultured in their lab. But it's still, at this point, just circumstantial evidence, even though it may very well be true.
 
Irwin said:
The Lab Leak Theory is primarily conjecture. It may be true, but there's no definitive proof because China won't allow a thorough investigation, and the reason for that could be that they're hiding the fact that it was cultured in their lab. But it's still, at this point, just circumstantial evidence, even though it may very well be true.
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Of course it's conjecture. But it has gone from crazy, conspiracy-theory type speculation to a mainstream theory. There isn't any definitive proof that Wuhan was transmitted by an animal, either.

My point, if I have one, is that people in a free society ought to be able to discuss different ideas and theories. I know there are limits. But mainstream science vehemently denied the existence of bacteria until about 1880. Pasteur and a few others were definitely outliers.
 

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