Are you a Christian and do you believe the Bible is the word of God?

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Knight said:
The sacrifice failing miserably would be the crucifixion. I don't know if you noticed since then mankind hasn't been very kind to each other, animals & the planet. Not an entire failure. If we are to believe the bible we could guess at least it was enough to stop God from flooding the earth again killing everyone except whoever was next in line to build a boat. Kinda scary when you realize Jeff Bezos just built a huge yacht.
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Genesis 9:11 ​

I establish My covenant with you; and all flesh shall never again be eliminated by the waters of a flood, nor shall there again be a flood to destroy the earth.​


He promised NOT to, Knight.
 

Knight said:
The sacrifice failing miserably would be the crucifixion. I don't know if you noticed since then mankind hasn't been very kind to each other, animals & the planet.
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The purpose of the sacrifice of the Crucifixion was not to eliminate sin. The purpose was to forgive sin for the asking and believing.
He's watching everybody and everything. Good choices and bad choices all matter.

Without sin and choices, how would God know if we are for Him or against Him?

It's not blind faith.
He wants us to "see" with our eyes as we look around us at creation, feel within our souls as it will continue forever after physical death, our hearts as we give and receive love, and our minds as we study His Word. If he just hands everything to us with no part of our own then how does love for Him manifest? He's a loving Father. We are His children. He wants obedience just like an earthly father and child.
 
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Pepper said:
Gosh, Knight, just accept the gift and stop questioning it! ;) LOL
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Your right if it didn't happen global warming pretty much assures it won't happen I should just look at it as a gift. Although I'm not happy with the global warming thing but then there is a plan right? :(
 
Lara said:
Without sin and choices, how would God know if we are for Him or against Him?
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Luke 1:37
For nothing will be impossible with God.”

Seems the bible has an answer for that. Nothing impossible IMO means knowing is a given so sin & choices don't enter into how to decide.
 
Why did the originators of Christianity claim no one doubt or question the word of the bible? If the bible is as it says it is why restrict scrutiny or opposition.
 
Good point, sorta'....but here's the thing, God the Father knows which children will choose to love Him and which will turn their backs on Him. But He wants the scenario played out for the sake of his children to experience the blessings that come with obedience, faith, an love (which btw may not be realized until after entering into eternal life on the "other side") and to have this time on earth to be "polished" and ready to enter the Kingdom of God aka heaven.
 
Mr. Ed said:
Why did the originators of Christianity claim no one doubt or question the word of the bible? If the bible is as it says it is why restrict scrutiny or opposition.
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They didn't "claim no one doubt or question the Bible"...not the Bible that I use. The Bible says "Study thyself to be approved of God". God didn't give us all the answers. He encourages us to spend time studying His Word and finding the answers and praying for the scriptures to reveal the truth to each of us individually. It's all a part of the relationship He wants with us through Jesus.
 
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Mr. Ed said:
Why did the originators of Christianity claim no one doubt or question the word of the bible? If the bible is as it says it is why restrict scrutiny or opposition.
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In the first century there was no New Testament, just ORAL TRADITION that gradually became written down over decades and then sorted out as to what to include over following 2 centuries. Over centuries beyond Soloman's reign, the Jew Levite priest sect regularly added to, removed sections, and changed the Old Testament. Inerrancy developed a millennia later after the Reformation, especially in the 19th century. Unless their flock believed they were the elite inspired, keepers of their faith, who would believe them? Before then, very few people had access to a Bible that was hand written and kept in churches except for priests that preached in Latin most of their flock did not understand. When printing developed in the 16th century, it became forbidden to have those books because political authorities feared losing power through the church.

The whole narrative of favorites of theological philosophers, omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence, developed during the Middle Ages and depended on vague verses in the OT like "The Almighty" that does not narrowly logically imply that. The OT has many stories that shows God was not any of the three OOO's. Especially within Protestant denominations, if God could do anything, that let them invent all manner of supposed inspired dogma that is not clearly in the Bible but in this science, technology, WWW era is coming back to crumble their house of cards. With the WWW opening all this up to every person, it is now all exposed for those that bother to read scholarly research that was only available in limited books only universities tended to have.
 
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I don't think of God the way I used to. I prefer to think of God not in human form but all inclusive what is, was and will be. Everyone on this forum exist as the all and all, independent yet as one. For every action there is a reaction and although as individuals may not recognize or perceive life differently, the effect of change alters everything.
 
Man oh man but life is hard enough! Atheist literature is much easier to understand and comprehend.
With all of the people who have studied the bible, over all the years they've studied it too, if they still
can't understand or agree that it means this or that, it seems pretty hopeless that a mortal, such as I,
stands a chance to make sense of it. That's why I feel as I do about religion. There's a lot to be said for
conciseness.
 
Alligatorob said:
I actually envy you, Fanci, Lara, Leann, and others here who have expressed similar absolute belief.

I just don't see any evidence for or reason to believe. Agnostic by intellect and Christian by culture I guess..
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If you could get a clear view of Hell and eternity in it, then you would get it. But, it is choosing by faith to believe. Not knowing any of the absolutes to go on. Clearly by faith. But, the decision is yours alone. And you will experience the results of your decision for all eternity.
 
Alligatorob said:
I actually envy you, Fanci, Lara, Leann, and others here who have expressed similar absolute belief.

I just don't see any evidence for or reason to believe. Agnostic by intellect and Christian by culture I guess..
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I found enough reason to believe through faith despite significant uncertainties, but primarily not through the lens of religious dogma but rather science while looking at what has been recorded in the Bible as useful visions of science ignorant humans. Those many that are content with the understanding when their organic body dies, they are no more eternally, have run their life's course, and do not value the possibility of an eternal life, won't have an interest in Christianity or belief in a god, so may continue to live in this dog eat dog world as moral or immorally as they choose to.
 
I used to be a born again Christian. I read the bible daily. I attended Church every Sunday. Today I never go to Church and never read the bible. I think it's all bunk. I believe our creators were a sperm cell and an egg cell fusing. I believe at death we simply cease to exist and all pain and suffering also cease to exist. I am sure "Father" Death ends all pain and suffering since our personalities have totally DISAPPEARED.
 
Mitch86 said:
I used to be a born again Christian. I read the bible daily. I attended Church every Sunday. Today I never go to Church and never read the bible. I think it's all bunk. I believe our creators were a sperm cell and an egg cell fusing. I believe at death we simply cease to exist and all pain and suffering also cease to exist. I am sure "Father" Death ends all pain and suffering since our personalities have totally DISAPPEARED.
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What made you change your mind?
Asking as a so called non believer. I do have a belief though.
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
It's all mumbo jumbo. The Bible was written by man. Lots of things in the Bible are contradictory. Some of the worse people swear that they are good Christians. Some of the worse atrocities have been committed by religious believers.
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The shortcomings of men with powers over religion with agendas, is hardly a reason to dismiss the possibility of eternal life for those that value such unless one unwisely thinks those in control have been always spirit inspired.
 
Lara said:
Since when does the easy way out get you where you want to be?
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It's not the "easy" way, per se, it just is factual and unambiguous.
They say what they mean and there's no doubt about what's being said.
The bible is open to interpretation by the same people who get in the
10 items or less line at the grocery store with 25-30 items in their carts.
Not the ones I want to trust my "eternal" fate to really. Brevity has advantages.
I also don't recall any wars or witch hunts being begun in the name of atheism.
Have you read any atheistic writings, yourself? If not, you should. See the
difference for yourself. As Billy Joel sang, "The sinners are much more fun!"
 
Pepper said:
What about those godless communists, i.e. soviet union, n. korea, chiner (sic), cuba, etc? :eek:
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God bless those godless communists but their wars aren't declared in the name of or in the hope of, spreading atheism as a goal. I've never heard of them invoking any deity's to help in their efforts or claiming that they have any atheistic intentions about the wars they begin or participate in. Maybe that's why atheism and communism aren't spelled the same? Just a hunch.
 
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