Is the devil to blame, Is God to blame or do things happen without explanation?

No there will be another chance to come to the Lord.
 

The notion we humans get to know the extent of powers of either an unlimited all powerful god or a limited UIE race is arguably a most arrogant anthropomorphic attitude. One might imagine such entities looking down at us having monstrous laughs at some of the things Earth monkey men have assigned to them.
  • Maybe an immensely powerful entity but not all powerful that I'll term an Ultimate Intelligent Entity, UIE that is more likely a race of such entities? Like does not do magic, just within what is possible.
  • Maybe not organic but rather either machine or mixed organic machine as in Artificial Intelligence.
  • Maybe not everywhere but rather localized? well probably because being everywhere on a physical basis is nonsense. No duplication of matter stuff within the same location because atomic forces prevent such.
  • Maybe not eternal but rather unimaginably ancient? Why would it matter? If God can do the rest of the god things, in balance not being eternal wouldn't amount to squat.
  • Maybe not all knowing while knowing vastly more of what is worth knowing than we can even imagine? Yes it's true God doesn't care about recording every last smell that floated off your lower body this morning nor how zillions of atoms are constantly vibrating at enormous rates neither now nor 1999 years ago. So no running the god magic ball that can do anything including having 666 flying monkeys come out of your nose singing Jingle Bells.
  • Maybe not all benevolent accordingly to our human moral sense but merely mostly so? I doubt our human ideas of morality and ethics fully square with that of a UIE level entity. I doubt God would vote on his having the choice out of doing painful things to those some humans might think are not god-like.
  • Maybe his thinking has changed over time though during the existence of us concerning us, maybe unchanging maybe not? Does that in fact matter especially since IMO that is illogical and again god probably would not vote to be in such a eternal rigid straight jacket? And like he has to spend endless time on even the remotest trivial things just so in total, nothing could declare he did something less than perfect.
  • Maybe he didn’t really create all our universe but rather exists within it? Yeah. David777 is voting on stuff has always existed so it never had to be created. It is most logical, easily argued.
  • Maybe God didn’t create the universe but created DNA life within it? Now we are talking about something I'd expect is true if a race of UIE's exist.
  • Maybe he isn’t the only god or UIE but rather the only one within our space time? When considering the infinite, our 94 billion light year wide universe is mighty mighty multi micro puny. Could be but maybe not too. So what?
  • Maybe God has limitations of traveling through distances of space per the speed of light? If God created the kind of universe we have or at least the current properties that exist here within, limiting phenomenon to light speed solves a lot of problems with isolating multicellular life that is arguably a good thing.
  • Maybe God and his angels are not aware of every thought all of us make throughout our lifetimes or maybe just our external actions? Your face is looking rather guilty. You did it didn't you?
  • Maybe God is so distant in Heaven with the speed of light a true limitation in the Universe, that he can only affect us through earth local angels or machines and the Holy Spirit or whatever with some level of powers left here on Earth?
In any case folks, none of you have a pay grade high enough with a need to know any of the above... so sit the heck down.
 
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David777 said:
The notion we humans get to know the extent of powers of either an unlimited all powerful god or a limited UIE race is arguably a most arrogant anthropomorphic attitude. One might imagine such entities looking down at us having a monstrous laugh at some of the things men have assigned to them.
  • Maybe an immensely powerful entity but not all powerful that I'll term an Ultimate Intelligent Entity, UIE that is more likely a race of such entities? Like does not do magic, just within what is possible.
  • Maybe not organic but rather either machine or mixed organic machine as in Artificial Intelligence.
  • Maybe not everywhere but rather localized? well probably because being everywhere on a physical basis is nonsense. No duplication of matter stuff within the same location because atomic forces prevent such.
  • Maybe not eternal but rather unimaginably ancient? Why would it matter? If God can do the rest of the god things, in balance not being eternal wouldn't amount to squat.
  • Maybe not all knowing while knowing vastly more of what is worth knowing than we can even imagine? Yes it's true God doesn't care about recording every last smell that floated off your lower body this morning nor how zillions of atoms are constantly vibrating at enormous rates neither now nor 1999 years ago. So no running the god magic ball that can do anything including having 666 flying monkeys come out of your nose singing Jingle Bells.
  • Maybe not all benevolent accordingly to our human moral sense but merely mostly so? I doubt our human ideas of morality and ethics fully square with that of a UIE level entity. I doubt God would vote on his having the choice out of doing painful things to those some humans might think are not god-like.
  • Maybe his thinking has changed over time though during the existence of us concerning us, maybe unchanging maybe not? Does that in fact matter especially since IMO that is illogical and again god probably would not vote to be in such a eternal rigid straight jacket? And like he has to spend endless time on even the remotest trivial things just so in total, nothing could declare he did something less than perfect.
  • Maybe he didn’t really create all our universe but rather exists within it? Yeah. David777 is voting on stuff has always existed so it never had to be created. It is most logical, easily argued.
  • Maybe God didn’t create the universe but created DNA life within it? Now we are talking about something I'd expect is true if a race of UIE's exist.
  • Maybe he isn’t the only god or UIE but rather the only one within our space time? When considering the infinite, our 94 billion light year wide universe is mighty mighty multi micro puny. Could be but maybe not too. So what?
  • Maybe God has limitations of traveling through distances of space per the speed of light? If God created the kind of universe we have or at least the current properties that exist here within, limiting phenomenon to light speed solves a lot of problems with isolating multicellular life that is arguably a good thing.
  • Maybe God and his angels are not aware of every thought all of us make throughout our lifetimes or maybe just our external actions? Your face is looking rather guilty. You did it didn't you?
  • Maybe God is so distant in Heaven with the speed of light a true limitation in the Universe, that he can only affect us through earth local angels or machines and the Holy Spirit or whatever with some level of powers left here on Earth?
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I read your post. I’m sorry I don’t have the intellect to understand what your view is. I will just respect that you gave your opinion.
 

Great questions Ed. Why do bad things happen to good people is a question I have been stuck on for a long time.

It could be in part from bad decisions we make which is part of a learning process. So we don't make the same choices again. But there is arbitrary bad stuff that happens in life to people who just don't deserve it and I can never make sense of that. It kind of scares me too.
 
Good things happen to “bad” people, sometimes as well. Life is a seemingly endless series of arbitrary events. To try and makes sense of the randomness that life is, is maddening. Maybe it’s better to just accept and rejoice in the randomness. That we are here at all seems to be a random act, because although there was just one egg that we formed from, there were millions of sperm cells the we might have formed from but did not. We are literally that “one in a million” who was the one who won the race.

Is it bad that the other swimmers didn’t even get a participation trophy? Bad that their potential to have been human was thwarted? Why are there millions of “losers” in the race for life to begin? Life isn’t something to be made sense of. Life is something to be experienced and like it or not, accept it or not, life is, like good or bad times, merely temporary. It seems best to enjoy it while it’s “good” because it won’t be good forever. If you feel yourself suffering or see someone else burdened with things they “don’t deserve” to have happen to them, be glad knowing that their or your hardship won’t last forever either.

It’s not as though the smaller fish that gets devoured by some bigger fish is bad. It did make a seemingly bad decision to be done n the bigger fishes sight, at dinner time. It was born though, a smaller fish and being food for bigger fish is what life is like for many of them. And it’s not as though the bigger fish is bad because it eats the smaller fish to survive. No, life is a struggle to survive. There’s no magic to it and no order to the system of things. It seems good sometimes and horrible sometimes too but at the end of the day, it’s just one side of the coin. Flip it again and see if the other side comes up. Call it while it’s in the air though, because it’s all randomness.
 
David777 said:
The notion we humans get to know the extent of powers of either an unlimited all powerful god or a limited UIE race is arguably a most arrogant anthropomorphic attitude. One might imagine such entities looking down at us having monstrous laughs at some of the things Earth monkey men have assigned to them.
  • Maybe an immensely powerful entity but not all powerful that I'll term an Ultimate Intelligent Entity, UIE that is more likely a race of such entities? Like does not do magic, just within what is possible.
  • Maybe not organic but rather either machine or mixed organic machine as in Artificial Intelligence.
  • Maybe not everywhere but rather localized? well probably because being everywhere on a physical basis is nonsense. No duplication of matter stuff within the same location because atomic forces prevent such.
  • Maybe not eternal but rather unimaginably ancient? Why would it matter? If God can do the rest of the god things, in balance not being eternal wouldn't amount to squat.
  • Maybe not all knowing while knowing vastly more of what is worth knowing than we can even imagine? Yes it's true God doesn't care about recording every last smell that floated off your lower body this morning nor how zillions of atoms are constantly vibrating at enormous rates neither now nor 1999 years ago. So no running the god magic ball that can do anything including having 666 flying monkeys come out of your nose singing Jingle Bells.
  • Maybe not all benevolent accordingly to our human moral sense but merely mostly so? I doubt our human ideas of morality and ethics fully square with that of a UIE level entity. I doubt God would vote on his having the choice out of doing painful things to those some humans might think are not god-like.
  • Maybe his thinking has changed over time though during the existence of us concerning us, maybe unchanging maybe not? Does that in fact matter especially since IMO that is illogical and again god probably would not vote to be in such a eternal rigid straight jacket? And like he has to spend endless time on even the remotest trivial things just so in total, nothing could declare he did something less than perfect.
  • Maybe he didn’t really create all our universe but rather exists within it? Yeah. David777 is voting on stuff has always existed so it never had to be created. It is most logical, easily argued.
  • Maybe God didn’t create the universe but created DNA life within it? Now we are talking about something I'd expect is true if a race of UIE's exist.
  • Maybe he isn’t the only god or UIE but rather the only one within our space time? When considering the infinite, our 94 billion light year wide universe is mighty mighty multi micro puny. Could be but maybe not too. So what?
  • Maybe God has limitations of traveling through distances of space per the speed of light? If God created the kind of universe we have or at least the current properties that exist here within, limiting phenomenon to light speed solves a lot of problems with isolating multicellular life that is arguably a good thing.
  • Maybe God and his angels are not aware of every thought all of us make throughout our lifetimes or maybe just our external actions? Your face is looking rather guilty. You did it didn't you?
  • Maybe God is so distant in Heaven with the speed of light a true limitation in the Universe, that he can only affect us through earth local angels or machines and the Holy Spirit or whatever with some level of powers left here on Earth?
In any case folks, none of you have a pay grade high enough with a need to know any of the above... so sit the heck down.
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Wow, that's really stretching the imagination regarding the possible existence of God. I congratulate you for your ability to not only think outside the box, but capable of putting it into words. My son and I often have discussions along such lines and the conclusions we come to are not conclusive at all. But it is fun.
 
I am amazed by staunchness of everyone's belief. For me, it is safe to say I don't know without committing myself to any single belief or theory. However, given the passion of everyone's stand in favor of God/no God/Devil/no Devil or nothing at all, perhaps none of us know for certain who to blame for our dissatisfaction of life?
 
Mr. Ed said:
I am amazed by staunchness of everyone's belief. For me, it is safe to say I don't know without committing myself to any single belief or theory. However, given the passion of everyone's stand in favor of God/no God/Devil/no Devil or nothing at all, perhaps none of us know for certain who to blame for our dissatisfaction of life?
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We can blame them because they played this
Disenchanting so many in the world. They also played
So they’re probably at fault somehow.
But a little acceptance of how things are
instead of wishing for how they might be
is helpful in reducing dissatisfaction too.
 
I don't understand the Blame Game when $h!T naturally happens. Blaming God the Devil or the deep blue sea is nonsense, but for reasons unknown, we feel better focusing our pain on an undefinable or an inaccessible object to avoid confrontation.
 
Mr. Ed said:
I don't understand the Blame Game when $h!T naturally happens. Blaming God the Devil or the deep blue sea is nonsense, but for reasons unknown, we feel better focusing our pain on an undefinable or an inaccessible object to avoid confrontation.
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It’s hard for many to accept that things happen randomly and without control. If something good happens, it’s god. If it’s bad, then the devil caused it. It’s scary to some, to think that neither likely exists and whatever happens, happens merely by chance but it seems more probable to me.
 
Looking back to the history of religion, many still believe in the old ways of damnation/ fire/brimstone. It is amazing how much abusive tyranny common folk endured because of ignorance.
 
I'm not the person I was before. On that note, revelations of knowledge and insight became apparent to me at a time in which I believe was ready to receive.
 
Mr. Ed said:
Looking back to the history of religion, many still believe in the old ways of damnation/ fire/brimstone. It is amazing how much abusive tyranny common folk endured because of ignorance.
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It’s even more amazing that with all the information about how the world works, that’s been discovered as history passes, that many common folk still subscribe to old beliefs out of a sense of feeling secure. Amazing but divisive as well. We see what we believe and yet some don’t even believe what they see. Many would rather believe what they “know” instead of what they see.
 
Talk about stuck in time. I don't have patience for that kind of thinking.
If I may recant, someday, and it has happened to me before, I may become totally bonkers again. So i should not complain about people I do not know or understand.
 
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I don't understand the Blame Game when $h!T naturally happens. Blaming God the Devil or the deep blue sea is nonsense, but for reasons unknown, we feel better focusing our pain on an undefinable or an inaccessible object to avoid confrontation.
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To avoid confrontation or to avoid responsibility?
 
We try to steer our own lives but there is also a lot of random shit that just happens. There's no God or Devil, just eight billion people all trying to live on the same planet, a planet that can be a bit volatile at times.
 
Chris P Bacon said:
Good things happen to “bad” people, sometimes as well. Life is a seemingly endless series of arbitrary events. To try and makes sense of the randomness that life is, is maddening. Maybe it’s better to just accept and rejoice in the randomness. That we are here at all seems to be a random act, because although there was just one egg that we formed from, there were millions of sperm cells the we might have formed from but did not. We are literally that “one in a million” who was the one who won the race.

Is it bad that the other swimmers didn’t even get a participation trophy? Bad that their potential to have been human was thwarted? Why are there millions of “losers” in the race for life to begin? Life isn’t something to be made sense of. Life is something to be experienced and like it or not, accept it or not, life is, like good or bad times, merely temporary. It seems best to enjoy it while it’s “good” because it won’t be good forever. If you feel yourself suffering or see someone else burdened with things they “don’t deserve” to have happen to them, be glad knowing that their or your hardship won’t last forever either.

It’s not as though the smaller fish that gets devoured by some bigger fish is bad. It did make a seemingly bad decision to be done n the bigger fishes sight, at dinner time. It was born though, a smaller fish and being food for bigger fish is what life is like for many of them. And it’s not as though the bigger fish is bad because it eats the smaller fish to survive. No, life is a struggle to survive. There’s no magic to it and no order to the system of things. It seems good sometimes and horrible sometimes too but at the end of the day, it’s just one side of the coin. Flip it again and see if the other side comes up. Call it while it’s in the air though, because it’s all randomness.
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Whew that wore me out.
 
Mr. Ed said:
I am amazed by staunchness of everyone's belief. For me, it is safe to say I don't know without committing myself to any single belief or theory. However, given the passion of everyone's stand in favor of God/no God/Devil/no Devil or nothing at all, perhaps none of us know for certain who to blame for our dissatisfaction of life?
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I’d like to answer that. However I’m feeling it’s best to keep my mouth shut at this point.
 
Mr. Ed said:
Talk about stuck in time. I don't have patience for that kind of thinking.
If I may recant, someday, and it has happened to me before, I may become totally bonkers again. So i should not complain about people I do not know or understand.
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I do think we need to respect and not judge each other, based on our beliefs.
 
chic said:
Why do bad things happen to good people is a question I have been stuck on for a long time.

It could be in part from bad decisions we make which is part of a learning process. So we don't make the same choices again. But there is arbitrary bad stuff that happens in life to people who just don't deserve it and I can never make sense of that. It kind of scares me too.
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It's an age old question
Why does bad stuff happen to good people?

God could destroy the bad
But then, man would 'obey' due to fear
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God gave mankind free will.
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In order to obey
Not out of fear, but because it's right

Twice the world became so corrupt He did just that

'And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.'

It'll happen one more time

All anybody has to do is look around

Won't be all that long
 
Gary O' said:
It's an age old question
Why does bad stuff happen to good people?

God could destroy the bad
But then, man would 'obey' due to fear

In order to obey
Not out of fear, but because it's right

Twice the world became so corrupt He did just that

'And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.'

It'll happen one more time

All anybody has to do is look around

Won't be all that long
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💯 agreed.
 

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