China jet's nosedive from 29,000 feet baffles crash specialists

It's going to be interesting to see if the "black boxes" survived this wreck. I tend to agree that this may be more of a suicide than an aircraft malfunction. The video on the news shows the plane diving straight down with no signs of any attempt to correct the dive. I suspect that this is one tragedy that may never be fully explained.
 
On Weibo (chinese youtube) a pilot for a Chinese airline said life is really tough right now because of the 2-yr-long zero-covid travel restrictions. He still pilots planes but he has to take part-time work when he can find it, and still can't keep up with his loans. Everyone in China who has (or had) a decent job has huge debts, he said. Apparently, workers in China are required to invest monthly in their employer's business and the amount doesn't decrease when your paycheck does. You're pushed into getting a home-loan, and he's paying the mortgage on an apartment that he and his wife can't afford to live in now. And they don't have unemployment benefits or any kind of supplemental income program in China.

This pilot's wife left him and took their son with her, he moved into a cheap apartment, and he still can't stay on top of the loans. He said he could get fines and/or jail time for that. The dude was crying.
 
On Weibo (chinese youtube) a pilot for a Chinese airline said life is really tough right now because of the 2-yr-long zero-covid travel restrictions. He still pilots planes but he has to take part-time work when he can find it, and still can't keep up with his loans. Everyone in China who has (or had) a decent job has huge debts, he said. Apparently, workers in China are required to invest monthly in their employer's business and the amount doesn't decrease when your paycheck does. You're pushed into getting a home-loan, and he's paying the mortgage on an apartment that he and his wife can't afford to live in now. And they don't have unemployment benefits or any kind of supplemental income program in China.

This pilot's wife left him and took their son with her, he moved into a cheap apartment, and he still can't stay on top of the loans. He said he could get fines and/or jail time for that. The dude was crying.
My friend in Thailand who is a flight instructor went from buying a beefed up Mercedes to selling cosmetics as a side gig. It's really that bad.
 
My friend in Thailand who is a flight instructor went from buying a beefed up Mercedes to selling cosmetics as a side gig. It's really that bad.
My diving buddy from back in the days lives in Thailand. We went there to do some scuba diving and he stayed - met a local girl, teaches English and gives scuba lessons to tourists.

It's a beautiful place if you can tolerate the monsoons that roll through at about 2pm every freaking day. I loved it there.
 
On Weibo (chinese youtube) a pilot for a Chinese airline said life is really tough right now because of the 2-yr-long zero-covid travel restrictions. He still pilots planes but he has to take part-time work when he can find it, and still can't keep up with his loans. Everyone in China who has (or had) a decent job has huge debts, he said. Apparently, workers in China are required to invest monthly in their employer's business and the amount doesn't decrease when your paycheck does. You're pushed into getting a home-loan, and he's paying the mortgage on an apartment that he and his wife can't afford to live in now. And they don't have unemployment benefits or any kind of supplemental income program in China.

This pilot's wife left him and took their son with her, he moved into a cheap apartment, and he still can't stay on top of the loans. He said he could get fines and/or jail time for that. The dude was crying.
So the workers paradise, isn't all that the communists claim.
 
So the workers paradise, isn't all that the communists claim.
I actually saw communism (East Germany) in the mid 70's. I'd have dumped every member of my so called family to get out of there if I was stuck behind the eastern block. I think I knew even then they were all nuts.

I've read they would throw garbage on the streets at night so people had work to do.
 
It's a beautiful place if you can tolerate the monsoons that roll through at about 2pm every freaking day. I loved it there.
I spent 1967 in Thailand, and it WAS beautiful, but like you say, hot and humid with some huge rainfalls. The airbase was built such that the drainage was pretty good, but the local town flooded several times a year....everything there was built on Stilts.
 
On Weibo (chinese youtube) a pilot for a Chinese airline said life is really tough right now because of the 2-yr-long zero-covid travel restrictions. He still pilots planes but he has to take part-time work when he can find it, and still can't keep up with his loans. Everyone in China who has (or had) a decent job has huge debts, he said. Apparently, workers in China are required to invest monthly in their employer's business and the amount doesn't decrease when your paycheck does. You're pushed into getting a home-loan, and he's paying the mortgage on an apartment that he and his wife can't afford to live in now. And they don't have unemployment benefits or any kind of supplemental income program in China.

This pilot's wife left him and took their son with her, he moved into a cheap apartment, and he still can't stay on top of the loans. He said he could get fines and/or jail time for that. The dude was crying.
If that is typical of how the people live in the "workers paradise" of China, suicide would probably appeal to such a person.
 
I can see the day coming when it may be necessary to build a huge water pipeline from the Midwest to Southern California. Enough water probably passes through New Orleans, every day, to keep LA serviced for an entire year.
I've actually thought something like this could be built. It seems like an answer. Or we are all doomed out here.
 
I spent 1967 in Thailand, and it WAS beautiful, but like you say, hot and humid with some huge rainfalls. The airbase was built such that the drainage was pretty good, but the local town flooded several times a year....everything there was built on Stilts.
Exactly right. We stayed in a small-ish village there....wish I could remember the name of it. Yeah, it flooded almost every afternoon when the storms swept through. People would simply rush up onto the deck of the nearest house, which were on stilts like you said (and more like a hut than a house). Sometimes the storms lasted a couple of hours, sometimes they were a lot more brief, but they were reliable.

I was there in the 80s. It was either '84 or '86.
 
I saw on one news report that foul play has not been ruled out. My goodness...if it was an act of suicide why take 131 other people with you?! So tragic. :cry:
That's what I thought, too.

The people aren't allowed to have guns, they can't get any medications that aren't government approved, and the government does not approve of opioids and antidepressants and stuff like that. But you can hang or drown yourself, or fall on a knife or off a building. I don't think it's illegal....like, I don't think police will arrest or hassle any of your surviving family members because you committed suicide. I don't think they care about that.
 
The plane is in the video for, perhaps, 2 seconds, and appears to be moving nearly vertically. The video tells me nothing more.

Intentional? Accidental? Mechanical failure? Failed terrorist takeover? Pilot had a heart attack? ? ? ? ? ?

Speculation may be fun or interesting, but it can't answer our questions. Let's hope the investigation can.
 


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