Countdown to the Russian invasion of Ukraine

Russian troops accused of massacring, torturing and brutalising hundreds of civilians in the outskirts of the capital Kyiv may have committed even worse atrocities in villages and towns further from the capital, an adviser to President Volodymyr Zelensky has warned.

At least 410 innocent bystanders were slaughtered in the cities of Bucha and Irpin to the west of Kyiv, Ukraine has said, with bodies discovered littering roads and basements, and piled into hastily-dug mass graves behind the retreating backs of Moscow's men - who fled the region at the weekend, leaving evidence of their crimes behind.

Journalists based in Kyiv who have visited the region since Russian forces withdrew say 'clear evidence' of war crimes has been uncovered, including civilians shot with their hands bound behind their backs and other bodies that bear the marks of torture and rape.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson led world leaders in condemning the violence at the weekend, pledging to send funding and specialist investigators to the International Criminal Court at The Hauge to compile evidence for a war crimes tribunal. 'We will not rest until justice is served,' he vowed.

But Tymofiy Mylovanov, an adviser to President Zelensky and Ukraine's former finance minister, says even worse atrocities may have been perpetrated to the east of Kyiv in the suburb of Brovary and in villages along the highway to Chernihiv - a city near the Russian border - and has called on journalists and lawyers to go to the region to help document what has happened.

Mylovanov said early eyewitness accounts and anecdotal evidence suggest children may have been burned alive, young women raped en-masse and then executed afterwards, and people forced to eat their pets after being deliberately starved by Russian troops. Others may have been shot dead as they planted crops in the fields or killed in their gardens, he said.

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Warning...Graphic pics here... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ocals-say-Russian-troops-killed-children.html
 

Yesterday, we were told in church that there are a few organizations attempting to get permission from the U.S. government to allow private families here in the U.S. to sponsor a Ukraine family. We would be responsible for their travel and living accommodations and expenses for up to 15 months. My wife and I decided last evening that we would sign a pledge card that we would sponsor up to a family of 4 for the time requested.

We have never even considered doing something like this, but the pictures we have been seeing here in the U.S. have encouraged us to step up and lend a helping hand. We have no idea if this will happen or not. If the group’s application should be approved, there will still be a lot of paperwork to fill out and then the wait will begin.
 
oldman said:
Yesterday, we were told in church that there are a few organizations attempting to get permission from the U.S. government to allow private families here in the U.S. to sponsor a Ukraine family. We would be responsible for their travel and living accommodations and expenses for up to 15 months. My wife and I decided last evening that we would sign a pledge card that we would sponsor up to a family of 4 for the time requested.

We have never even considered doing something like this, but the pictures we have been seeing here in the U.S. have encouraged us to step up and lend a helping hand. We have no idea if this will happen or not. If the group’s application should be approved, there will still be a lot of paperwork to fill out and then the wait will begin.
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We already have that in place...and Ukrainian families are already here. Our govt gave an incentive to any household of a promise of £300 per month who will house a Ukrainian refugee family for up to 2 years .. over 2 hundred thousand households applied
 

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oldman said:
Yesterday, we were told in church that there are a few organizations attempting to get permission from the U.S. government to allow private families here in the U.S. to sponsor a Ukraine family. We would be responsible for their travel and living accommodations and expenses for up to 15 months. My wife and I decided last evening that we would sign a pledge card that we would sponsor up to a family of 4 for the time requested.

We have never even considered doing something like this, but the pictures we have been seeing here in the U.S. have encouraged us to step up and lend a helping hand. We have no idea if this will happen or not. If the group’s application should be approved, there will still be a lot of paperwork to fill out and then the wait will begin.
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Wonderful, absolutely wonderful. I would advise a call to the US State Department, let them know what is going on and ask for their recommendations. There are several reasons for this. One, is that con men will always take tragedy and try to exploit it. So, you really are going to want to vet these organizations. So, if the State Department agrees that one of these groups is credible...you can have that peace of mind. And beyond that, you can probably get an actual recommendation from either the State Department or the office of your local Congressmen. You know, which group among those is considered the best.

Again, absolutely wonderful that you are taking upon yourself this service!
 

Incredible moment single Ukrainian tank takes on entire Russian convoy, destroying multiple armoured vehicles near Kyiv​


Incredible video footage has emerged showing the moment a lone Ukrainian tank single-handedly destroyed several Russian armoured vehicles less than 50 miles from Kyiv.

The footage, collected by a drone and published by a Ukrainian volunteer unit on Telegram, shows what appears to be a single well-positioned Ukrainian T-64 tank ambushing a convoy of Russian BTR-82A armoured vehicles on a road in Nova Basan, west of the capital.

Thanks to brilliant positioning, the lion-hearted tank operator was able to fire several rounds at the invaders' convoy, threading the gap between other structures from a concealed location behind a house.

One BTR was quickly set ablaze in the attack, prompting the remaining armoured vehicles to fire back, seemingly aiming at other targets off-camera as yellow flashes of fire were seen streaking across the fields surrounding the road.

But the T-64 appeared unsighted and continued to pound the convoy with shells as it outsmarted the Russian troops until further artillery reinforcements arrived.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nk-takes-entire-Russian-convoy-near-Kyiv.html


The second half of the video cuts to later footage of Ukrainian artillery strikes raining down on the convoy as it attempts to flee, before zooming in on the wreckage of a Russian tank still on fire alongside several corpses.

Despite the tank's heroics, NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg today warned the war in Ukraine could last 'months, even years' as there is no sign Vladimir Putin has lost 'his ambition to control the whole country'.

Ukrainian authorities urged civilians in the country's east to flee 'now' or 'risk death' as Russian forces regroup ahead of what is expected to be a fresh offensive in the Donbas region.
 

A victim 'blown up with a grenade', a father shot dead in front of his 14-year-old son and troops who 'executed all men under 50': More horrifying details emerge of Russian atrocities in Bucha​


Charred body parts lay scattered over the streets of Bucha for days after a man was killed with a grenade, while men under 50 were stripped naked, tied up and summarily executed by Russians, traumatised civilians have revealed as more vile stories emerge from the Ukrainian town.

Survivors from the month-long occupation of the town in Kyiv oblast have started to describe their gruesome treatment at the hands of Putin's invading troops after area was liberated.

Mykola, a 53-year-old resident, spent a month hiding in the cold and dark cellar of his apartment building with his wife after witnessing callous executions on the streets of his hometown.

He told ABC that when the Russians arrived, they killed all men aged under 50 and then ordered him to bury his friends within 20 minutes.

Two of his friends were shot in front of him and another was hit by a grenade, blowing his body to pieces, which lay untouched for days until Mykola was allowed to quickly gather his parts in a bag and bury them in a shallow grave to ward off the dogs.

Vanya Skyba told The Economist how Russians rounded up a group of builders, ordered them to strip naked and lie face down on the floor while their bodies and phones were searched for evidence of military tattoos or anti-Russian sentiment.

Graphic pictures here...https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10691337/Man-blown-grenade-father-shot-dead-son-horrifying-Bucha-stories.html

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A Ukrainian serviceman stands amid destroyed Russian tanks in Bucha, on the outskirts of Kyiv, Ukraine, April 6


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UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson pays surprise visit to Kyiv. President Volodymyr Zelensky and PM Boris Johnson had a meeting in Kyiv on April 9, according to Zelensky’s deputy chief of staff Andrij Sybiha. No details of the conversation are known yet. Johnson hadn’t announced his visit to Ukraine.

Kyiv Independent
 
Boris Johnson today told Ukraine's President Zelensky 'the Ukrainian people are a lion, and you are its roar' as he vowed to send Ukraine 120 armoured vehicles and new anti-ship missile systems to expel Vladimir Putin's occupiers during a surprise visit to Kyiv.

Footage showed the pair meeting and sitting across a table from each other, their respective flags on the far side. Mr Johnson was wearing a dark suit and Zelensky a khaki overall, his signature attire in public appearances since February 24.

Details of the meeting had not been made public prior to the image's release. The Embassy of Ukraine to the UK was one of the first to share the picture, writing: 'Surprise' with a winking face emoji.

Mr Johnson praised the Ukrainian troops' staunch resistance that has 'defied odds' in rebuffing Russia's advance towards the capital of Kyiv.

'I think that the Ukrainians have shown the courage of a lion, and you Volodymyr have given the roar of that lion,' he said.

'The Russians believed Ukraine could be engulfed in a matter of days and that Kyiv would falls in hours to their armies. How wrong they were'.

A No 10 spokesman said the Prime Minister was using the visit to set out a new package of financial and military aid, and comes the day after he announced a further £100million worth of UK military assistance for Kyiv's forces, including anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons and so-called 'suicide drones'.

Appearing alongside Mr Zelensky in a recorded broadcast clip, Mr Johnson said the West would continue to 'ratchet up' sanctions on Moscow as he praised the courage of the Ukrainian resistance.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...dent-Zelensky-unannounced-surprise-visit.html
 

Putin calls in the Butcher of Syria: ​

  • Captain General Aleksandr Dvornikov has been dubbed as the 'Butcher of Syria'
  • From 2016, Dvornikov oversaw Russia's brutal intervention in the middle east that helped Syrian president Bashar al-Assad crush his enemies in the civil war
  • He is also believed to be man behind attack on Kramatorsk railway station Friday
  • Now, he has been ordered by Putin to take charge of seizing the whole of Donbas
Vladimir Putin has chosen the man to mastermind his re-focused offensive in eastern Ukraine, after the first disastrous six weeks of Moscow's invasion saw thousands of Russian troops sent to their deaths and scores of tanks destroyed.

Captain General Aleksandr Dvornikov, dubbed by some as the 'Butcher of Syria', has been ordered by the Kremlin to seize the whole of Ukraine's eastern Donbas.

From 2016, Dvornikov oversaw Russia's brutal intervention in the middle east that helped Syrian president Bashar al-Assad crush his enemies in the civil war.

During that time, chemical weapons and indiscriminate air strikes were used - resulting in thousands of civilian casualties.

The 60-year-old general is also believed to be the man behind Friday's missile strike on Kramatorsk railway station, killing at least 52 civilians attempting to flee west.

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His battlefield intelligence is apparently highly regarded among western generals, and he is believed to be familiar with the Donbas theatre of war - where pro-Russian separatists have been fighting Ukrainian government forces since 2014.

Dvornikov has also been given the responsibility of overseeing the Black Sea and the Crimean peninsula, which was seized by Russia in 2014. Analysts believe Putin wants to create a land corridor between Russia and Crimea - something that heavy Ukrainian resistance is preventing, according to Britain's Ministry of Defence today.

NATO chiefs have compiled a database of his achievements and tactical preferences in a bid to predict his decision making in the weeks ahead, and he has developed a reputation for ruthlessness over the years.

But officials say that he may struggle to please Vladimir Putin. 'Unless the Russian army becomes a lot more effective it is difficult to see how it succeeds,' one said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ral-mastermind-Russias-new-attack-Donbas.html​

 
Putin has lost his ninth colonel in battle since launching his brutal invasion of Ukraine in February, as Moscow's losses continue to mount up.

A funeral was held for Colonel Alexander Bespalov on Friday in the closed Russian city of Ozersk, according to a local announcement, which said he was killed 'during a special military operation in Ukraine' - a term used by Moscow to avoid saying 'war'.

The statement said Bespalov was the commander of the 59th Guards Tank Regiment, and become the latest senior Russian military officer to be killed in the war that has seen Kyiv's forces surprise exerts with their fierce resistance.

Targeted strikes against slow-moving Russian tank units have allowed Ukraine's forces to compensate for their inferior numbers, with latest estimates from Kyiv defence officials suggesting the Kremlin has lost more than 4,000 military vehicles.

In addition, Ukraine's Ministry of Defence estimates that Russia has sent more than 19,000 troops to their deaths. Meanwhile, thousands of Moscow's soldiers have retreated from the Kyiv region to refocus Russia's military efforts on eastern Ukraine.

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However, a senior U.S. defence official said Friday the Pentagon has determined that some of the Russian combat units that retreated from the Kyiv area in recent days are so heavily damaged and depleted that their combat utility is in question.

Some analysts have suggested that the focus on the Donbas and the pledge to de-escalate may merely be an effort to put a positive spin on reality: Moscow's ground forces have been thwarted - and have taken heavy losses - in their bid to seize the capital and other major cities.

The Kremlin has a policy of playing down military casualties with a 2015 decree declaring all deaths in conflict a state secret, and last year any statement discrediting the military were criminalised.

Colonel Nikolay Ovcharenko, chief of the Western Military District engineer troops, was killed in an ambush that left a total of 18 Russians dead by a pontoon bridge over the Siverskyi Donets River.

Colonel Alexei Sharov, commander of the 810th Guards Separate Order of Zhukov Brigade in the Russian Marines, was killed in Mariupol in March.

Colonel Sergei Sukharev, of the 331st Guards Parachute Assault Regiment from Kostroma, was 'liquidated' according to Ukraine in fighting earlier this month.

'Commander of the Kostroma Airborne Regiment, Colonel Sergei Sukharev… got lost in the '[military] exercises', but returned home the right way,' said the Ukrainian statement.

His deputy Major Sergei Krylov was killed alongside him, said the report.

Colonel Andrei Zakharov was killed in an ambush near Kyiv in the opening days of the war, while Colonel Konstantin Zizevsky who led air assault troops died in the south of Ukraine.
A Western official claimed the commander had been killed by his own troops, 'as a consequence of the scale of losses that had been taken by his brigade'.

'We believe he was killed by his own troops deliberately,' the official said, noting he was 'run over'.

He added it was a further sign of 'morale challenges that Russian forces are having'.

'They really have found themselves in a hornet's nest and they're suffering really badly,' the official said.

Colonel Sergei Porokhyna is another high-profile casualty among Putin's forces.

On top of the colonels, at least seven Russian generals have been killed in fighting, more than during the entire 10-year brutal Soviet campaign in Afghanistan in the 1980s where five generals died.
Russian brigade commander Colonel Yuri Medvedev was even run down with a tank by his own mutinous troops.
 
hollydolly said:

Putin calls in the Butcher of Syria: ​

  • Captain General Aleksandr Dvornikov has been dubbed as the 'Butcher of Syria'
  • From 2016, Dvornikov oversaw Russia's brutal intervention in the middle east that helped Syrian president Bashar al-Assad crush his enemies in the civil war
  • He is also believed to be man behind attack on Kramatorsk railway station Friday
  • Now, he has been ordered by Putin to take charge of seizing the whole of Donbas
Vladimir Putin has chosen the man to mastermind his re-focused offensive in eastern Ukraine, after the first disastrous six weeks of Moscow's invasion saw thousands of Russian troops sent to their deaths and scores of tanks destroyed.

Captain General Aleksandr Dvornikov, dubbed by some as the 'Butcher of Syria', has been ordered by the Kremlin to seize the whole of Ukraine's eastern Donbas.

From 2016, Dvornikov oversaw Russia's brutal intervention in the middle east that helped Syrian president Bashar al-Assad crush his enemies in the civil war.

During that time, chemical weapons and indiscriminate air strikes were used - resulting in thousands of civilian casualties.

The 60-year-old general is also believed to be the man behind Friday's missile strike on Kramatorsk railway station, killing at least 52 civilians attempting to flee west.

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His battlefield intelligence is apparently highly regarded among western generals, and he is believed to be familiar with the Donbas theatre of war - where pro-Russian separatists have been fighting Ukrainian government forces since 2014.

Dvornikov has also been given the responsibility of overseeing the Black Sea and the Crimean peninsula, which was seized by Russia in 2014. Analysts believe Putin wants to create a land corridor between Russia and Crimea - something that heavy Ukrainian resistance is preventing, according to Britain's Ministry of Defence today.

NATO chiefs have compiled a database of his achievements and tactical preferences in a bid to predict his decision making in the weeks ahead, and he has developed a reputation for ruthlessness over the years.

But officials say that he may struggle to please Vladimir Putin. 'Unless the Russian army becomes a lot more effective it is difficult to see how it succeeds,' one said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ral-mastermind-Russias-new-attack-Donbas.html​

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The U.S. and the world should have stood up to Putin when he was massacring people in Aleppo and other parts of Syria. Instead, all he got was a slap on the wrist. Then he took Crimea. Still, barely a peep. He probably thought he could continue his reign of terror with little resistance, but the people of Ukraine proved him wrong. He went a "bridge too far," but now that his back is against the wall and he looks weak and incompetent, he's getting even nastier.
 
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The U.S. and the world should have stood up to Putin when he was massacring people in Aleppo and other parts of Syria. Instead, all he got was a slap on the wrist. Then he took Crimea. Still, barely a peep. He probably thought he could continue his reign of terror with little resistance, but the people of Ukraine proved him wrong. He went a "bridge too far," but now that his back is against the wall and he looks weak and incompetent, he's getting even nastier.
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It's true..at the beginning of this , I said Putin had taken on the fight of his life with Ukraine..I knew it, but he seemingly thought they would be a walk over...., but now he's losing respect to the world, he's becoming more aggressive and intent on the attack of surrounding countries whom he feels are defenceless, such as Finland
 
Russia has defaulted on its foreign debt

Russia attempted to pay in rubles for two dollar-denominated bonds that matured on April 4, S&P said in a note on Friday. The agency said this amounted to a "selective default" because investors are unlikely to be able to convert the rubles into "dollars equivalent to the originally due amounts."
 
oldman said:
Yesterday, we were told in church that there are a few organizations attempting to get permission from the U.S. government to allow private families here in the U.S. to sponsor a Ukraine family. We would be responsible for their travel and living accommodations and expenses for up to 15 months. My wife and I decided last evening that we would sign a pledge card that we would sponsor up to a family of 4 for the time requested.

We have never even considered doing something like this, but the pictures we have been seeing here in the U.S. have encouraged us to step up and lend a helping hand. We have no idea if this will happen or not. If the group’s application should be approved, there will still be a lot of paperwork to fill out and then the wait will begin.
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Follow-up: We we’re given a series of paperwork to fill out for the State Department. To fill out all what is requested will take a few hours. I told my wife that we are allowing hundreds of thousands to walk across our southern borders with no paperwork whatsoever, but here we are dealing with truly deserving people that needs to exit their country immediately and we are going to be inundated with red tape. These people need out now. Not 2 months from now. The organization that is sponsoring this excursion of citizens from Ukraine has not yet received permission, but it is sounding very encouraging that this will happen. When we file the paperwork, they are requesting that we include a check for $2500 to cover transportation. We don’t have to attach it now, but the man heading up this maneuver is strongly suggesting to do it because he thinks it will improve our chances of it happening.

My wife has already began preparing for a family by fixing up the spare bedrooms in our home. I tried to tell her that we will probably have time to do all that will need to be done and she shouldn’t count her chickens before they are hatched, but she’s getting excited about hosting a Ukrainian family. We are hoping that if we get a family of 4 that the two children are of the same sex, so that we can put them both into one bedroom. We have 4 bedrooms, but would like to keep one empty for when another couple we know comes to visit. The parents would use one bedroom and the two girls or boys would use another and of course, my wife and I have one, so we would still have one bedroom remaining for other guests. But, if the family has one boy and one girl, then so-be-it, we will only have the family for up to 15 months. It will be fine either way. BTW, my wife bought a book about the Ukraine and it’s culture, etc. and also a translator, which I already have on my phone from Google. The Google translator has been very helpful when we have traveled overseas.
 
Follow-up: We we’re given a series of paperwork to fill out for the State Department. To fill out all what is requested will take a few hours. I told my wife that we are allowing hundreds of thousands to walk across our southern borders with no paperwork whatsoever, but here we are dealing with truly deserving people that needs to exit their country immediately and we are going to be inundated with red tape. These people need out now. Not 2 months from now. The organization that is sponsoring this excursion of citizens from Ukraine has not yet received permission, but it is sounding very encouraging that this will happen. When we file the paperwork, they are requesting that we include a check for $2500 to cover transportation. We don’t have to attach it now, but the man heading up this maneuver is strongly suggesting to do it because he thinks it will improve our chances of it happening.
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Many from Ukraine have made their way to the US on their own ... those with the means and are educated. Some have family here and/or connections around the country .... some have flown to Mexico, and then came over the border.
Those have been getting preference over other refugees by border agents.

Since early March, there have been many interviewed on the local news.. a lot of college students making their way here. Our gain.
 
I did some work with a refugee from the war in Serbia. He was a rock musician. If I remember, he took a plane to Miami, that was supposed to go to South America. And when they stopped over in Miami, he just jumped off.

He told me that during the war, they made him into a policeman and then a soldier. But, you know, this guy was a rock drummer. He was no police officer or soldier.

His unit was ordered into a village. They were told to kill everyone in there. He found a young boy, about 5, hiding in a barn. He told the boy to go back to his hiding place and did not report it, so the child would live.

He said to me...can you believe it? They made ME a police officer and a soldier?

War is horrible.

All this guy ever wanted to do was play rock music...

The band he was in, eventually became The Churchills... (but I don't think he was the drummer at the time...)

Their bass player was a crew guy, working on the TV show, "The Sopranos." They got Jamie-Lynn Sigler (Meadow), to wear the band's T-shirt in one episode...


The Churchills - Everybody Gets What They Deserve​

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The UK Government is “working urgently” to verify details following claims that Russia has used chemical weapons in Ukraine and “all options remain on the table” for a potential response, ministers have said.
Interpret as you wish says Furry
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James Heappy, Britain’s deputy defense minister, told Sky News on April 12 that London was also trying to verify the reports.

"If they are used at all, then [Russian] President [Vladimir] Putin should know that all possible options are on the table in terms of how the West might respond," Heappey said.

"There are some things that are beyond the pale, and the use of chemical weapons will get a response," he added
 
MSN
Now for Finland
Russian heavy weapons including missile systems have been seen moving towards the border with Finland, hours after Russia warned its northern neighbour against joining NATO.

An unconfirmed video uploaded last night appears to show two Russian coastal defence missile systems moving along a road on the Russian side of the border that leads to Helsinki.

The missile systems are thought to be the K-300P Bastion-P mobile coastal defence system, designed to take out surface ships up to and including aircraft carrier battle groups.

The Russian deployment comes as Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin said she expects her government 'will end the discussion before midsummer' on whether to apply for NATO membership
 
Vladimir Putin today warned his enemies in the West they will face 'consequences' if they 'worsen the situation' in Ukraine, as the Russian strongman threatened to create 'waves of migrants' in Europe.

Putin, speaking in front of dozens of rockets at the Vostochny space launch facility in Russia's Far East, insisted that his faltering invasion of Ukraine would prevail as he warned of world starvation as a result of Western sanctions against Moscow.

The Russian President claimed Russia's economy and financial system withstood the blow from what he called the Western sanctions 'blitz' and insisted the move would backfire by driving up prices for essentials such as fertiliser, leading to food shortages and increased migration to the West.

Despite Putin's faltering invasion, which saw Russian troops retreat from Ukrainian cities and instead focus on the Donbas region in eastern Ukraine, the leader said his war effort is going to plan as he vowed Russia would triumph in all of its 'noble' war aims.

Putin said that 'common sense should prevail' and added that the West should 'come back to reason and make well-balanced decisions without losing its face.'

He argued that new Western restrictions on high-tech exports will encourage Russia to move faster to develop new technologies, opening a 'new window of opportunities.'

Putin also claimed on Tuesday that the images and footage of dead bodies strewn across the Ukrainian town of Bucha were fake, parroting the same lines his spokesman gave earlier this week. He compared the accusations to those concerning the use of chemical weapons by the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. 'It's the same kind of fake in Bucha,' Putin said.

Lukashenko wildly accused Britain of staging the atrocities at Bucha by bringing in dead bodies from across Ukraine - not Russian soldiers who wreaked havoc on Ukrainian towns and cities as they retreated.

The Belarusian dictator claimed that a show of Russian cruelty was needed to maintain the West's justification for sanctions against Moscow.

'We've discussed the psychological special operation which was conducted by the English,' said Lukashenko of his talks with Putin. 'If any of you need addresses, details, car plate numbers, brands of cars with which [they] arrived in Bucha and how they did it, the FSB [secret service] of Russia can provide these materials.'

Putin meanwhile claimed Ukraine had deviated from the agreements made at a peace conference in Istanbul, and that talks are in a 'dead end'.

Putin's comments come as a video emerged purporting to show Russian heavy weapons including missile systems being moved towards the border with Finland, hours after the Kremlin warned its northern neighbour against joining NATO.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ish-border-warning-Finland-not-join-NATO.html
 
OMG, just when you think you can't be shocked any longer at what happens in a war..you hear this.. :eek:

A Russian woman has been heard giving her soldier partner permission to rape Ukrainian locals in a phone call intercepted by Kyiv's security services.

The shocking 30-second audio clip of the conversation was posted to the telegram channel of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) on Tuesday.

'Wives of Russian aggressors call on their husbands to rape Ukrainian women,' the agency wrote on Telegram, along with the clip.

'This shocking interception by the SBU reflects the moral values not only of the occupiers but also of their relatives, 80% of whom now support the war in Ukraine,' the agency claimed in its description of the recording.

The audio clip opens with the blue and yellow title: 'SECURITY SERVICE INTERCEPT: Wives of Russian invaders allow their men to rape Ukrainian women.'


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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...r-partner-permission-RAPE-locals-Ukraine.html

Putin's band of thugs have been linked to a string of horrific atrocities across Ukraine, including the brutal rape and murder of women and children, often in front of their own family members. Moscow has denied the claims.

One Russian soldier has even been arrested after allegedly recording himself abusing a Ukrainian baby.

Speaking to Lithuanian lawmakers today, Zelensky said: 'In areas freed from the occupiers, the recording and investigation of war crimes committed by Russia continues. New mass graves are found almost daily.

'Testimonials are being collected. Thousands and thousands of victims. Hundreds of cases of torture. Bodies continue to be found in drains and cellars.

'Hundreds of cases of rape have been recorded, including those of young girls and very young children. Even of a baby!'

Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda responded saying, 'It's simply impossible to imagine a greater horror.'

The scale of the brutality has led a Ukrainian rights group to inform the UN that rape is being used as a weapon of war by the Kremlin.

Dear God!! :cry:
 
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I think he is going to ply some lies to make himself look good to the Russian people, and slowly back out, to some compromised withdrawal.

And I think that means that Ukraine will have to give him some territory.

I think it is going that way. Not that I agree or have a better idea...but that is just the way I think it is going...
 
I fully understand that no country wants to send troops to help the Ukraine, especially the U.S. or Great Britain. This may (probably would) be interrupted as an escalation of the war. Russia’s main and maybe only ally is China. I think if Russia and China would team up, it would be game on and WWIII would begin. I doubt if any country in the world would benefit from that happening.

If nukes would be used, we would all be vaporized or die from radiation poisoning. Would a new world begin? I don’t know.
 
oldman said:
I fully understand that no country wants to send troops to help the Ukraine, especially the U.S. or Great Britain. This may (probably would) be interrupted as an escalation of the war. Russia’s main and maybe only ally is China. I think if Russia and China would team up, it would be game on and WWIII would begin. I doubt if any country in the world would benefit from that happening.

If nukes would be used, we would all be vaporized or die from radiation poisoning. Would a new world begin? I don’t know.
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Yeah, the risk of nuclear war is why we just don't go in and put Putin in a box.

At the height of the cold war, the US had about 58,000 nukes. The Russians had about 60,000 nukes. But our individual nukes had a higher payload, so we, in fact had bit more firepower.

Today, both sides have about 5000 nukes.

It takes about 500 nukes, reasonably well spaced, to basically destroy the entire world. So, both sides have 10 times that capacity.

If those 500 nukes were launched in that way, it is highly likely some small population of people would survive...oh, maybe anywhere from 1 to 100 million.

If we were to engage in a nuclear exchange now??? ------ it would likely be, oh, something like 50 - 100 nukes. All the major cities in the US and Russia would be gone, but a small number of people would survive...in Alaska, Hawaii, other more remote areas.

If both sides launched everything? It is possible that, oh, a million or more people would survive world wide and the world would start again from there.

Total permanent annihilation of humanity for all time....that is unlikely, even the Cold War figures which could have launched 100,000 nukes, it would still be likely a tiny number of people would have survived and life begin again. They might look incredibly strange, glow in the dark and only live to be 30....but a few mutants might keep a mutant humanity going.

And hey, let's not do the experiment...to find out.
 

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