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Debby said:
My concern is that if he is looking up to John McCain, then when he comes of age, what will be his willingness to send out other young people to be killed in wars that are politically and 'military industrial complex' motivated. How much better to look up to peace makers.
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I agree, too many senseless and seemingly never-ending 'wars' for questionable 'causes'. I don't like their willingness to send our young men and women to places like Iraq and Afghanistan to be killed and cripples both mentally and physically for no good reason.
 

AZ Jim said:
Isn't it possible for the republicans in this thread to express disappointment without their totally asinine disrespect and ridiculous "Muslim, ISIS, Hates America, Barry" Baloney? You act like a small group of spoiled babies. Grow up and act like citizens instead of rock throwing wannabe anarchists!
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Well, I guess if we are wrong then no harm done. If the shoe dont fit, then he dont wear it. The old sticks and stones thing.

Is not Barry his given name? Did he or did he not attend a muslim school? If I am wrong on those things I will say I am wrong.
 
GeneMO said:
You know, If he would try to act presidential, I would respect him. The way it is, I dont respect him. He has made a mockery of the office and we are the laughing stock of the world.

How bout if I just call him by his real name, what is it? Sorrento or something? I dont think we have ever had a president who came to office under an assumed name have we? Wonder why he changed it? Oh that's right, most people with American sounding names change it to something more Muslim sounding when they convert to Islam.

And back to the pipeline, the oil is coming through here anyway, it's just coming by rail, a more dangerous method than any pipeline. Who owns some of those big railroads? Oh, it's that real rich Democrat from the Omaha area.
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Actually, the rest of the world finally has respect for the US again because of Obama. It was totally lost during the 8 nightmare Bush years.

No comment on the rest of the rubbish.
 

I'm curious to see how many of the Democrats here show any respect to our next president if he/she turns out to be a Republican? Do you democrats think you will show respect, or do you think you may end up being just like you accuse the Republicans of being?
 
AZ Jim said:
Isn't it possible for the republicans in this thread to express disappointment without their totally asinine disrespect and ridiculous "Muslim, ISIS, Hates America, Barry" Baloney? You act like a small group of spoiled babies. Grow up and act like citizens instead of rock throwing wannabe anarchists!
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Well said, Jim.
 
Debby said:
I wonder how long it took for 'Dad' to write that little kids speech? Using kids to spout adult sentiments is inherently manipulative and ridiculous because most people see right through that tactic.
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True Debby, I think some religion is good religion but I remember the little ones being taught from "Dick and Jane" type books on how to speak in tongues. That's another way to "use" kids.
 
GeneMO said:
Well, I guess if we are wrong then no harm done. If the shoe dont fit, then he dont wear it. The old sticks and stones thing.

Is not Barry his given name? Did he or did he not attend a muslim school? If I am wrong on those things I will say I am wrong.
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You don't really want to know the truth about him, do you?

His given name is Barack. He went to school in Indonesia for a couple of years because his mother and stepfather were living there. Indonesia is Muslim, therefore the schools are Muslim. So what? Oh right, I forgot, you think all Muslims are terrorists. And Obama is Christian, but I couldn't care less if he was Muslim, atheist, pagan, whatever.
 
Jim, you guys need to look in the mirror. You sound exactly the same. It's silly, like the pot calling the kettle black!
 
AZ Jim said:
Isn't it possible for the republicans in this thread to express disappointment without their totally asinine disrespect and ridiculous "Muslim, ISIS, Hates America, Barry" Baloney? You act like a small group of spoiled babies. Grow up and act like citizens instead of rock throwing wannabe anarchists!
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So true
 
nwlady said:
I'm curious to see how many of the Democrats here show any respect to our next president if he/she turns out to be a Republican? Do you democrats think you will show respect, or do you think you may end up being just like you accuse the Republicans of being?
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I had zero respect for GW Bush, not because he was a republican but because he was an idiot and a crappy president.
 
GeneMO said:
Well, I guess if we are wrong then no harm done. If the shoe dont fit, then he dont wear it. The old sticks and stones thing.

Is not Barry his given name? Did he or did he not attend a muslim school? If I am wrong on those things I will say I am wrong.
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Both sides sling junk, the same junk. What's sad to me is that both sides have some good points, but it gets buried under the mud that's hurled.
 
Ameriscot said:
I had zero respect for GW Bush, not because he was a republican but because he was an idiot and a crappy president.
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Right, I shouldn't have mentioned the R or D, it's the president of the US. But people are talking about how Rs don't ever have respect for Obama, but you being honest, tell us you have no respect for Bush. Do you see what I'm saying? People are accusing the other "side" of the very things they say and do themselves.
 
That's ok, but to keep the record straight, I never complained about having a political thread, I complained about how some were treating others, and that is what I strongly disagree with. If you can't be respectful, and I don't care whos side your on, and considerate to others opinions, you are not "debating" in any way, shape or form.
 
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GeneMO said:
I have zero respect for Barack Hussein Obama, not because he is black, but because he is an idiot and a crappy president.
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I suppose one could feel that those who tear down the President who was elected by the majority of Americans could be called "crappy citizens".
 
AZ Jim said:
I suppose one could feel that those who tear down the President who was elected by the majority of Americans could be called "crappy citizens".
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TWICE..... Jim.... He was elected by the majority of Americans TWICE...

Unlike Bush... who stole his elections... TWICE.. what's to respect?

Under orders from Governor Jeb Bush (Bush Jr.’s brother), state troopers near polling sites delayed people for hours while searching their cars. Some precincts required two photo IDs which many citizens do not have. The requirement under Florida law was only one photo ID. Passed just before the election, this law itself posed a special difficulty for low-income or elderly voters who did not have drivers licenses or other photo IDs. Uncounted ballot boxes went missing or were found in unexplained places or were never collected from certain African-American precincts. During the recount, GOP agitators shipped in from Washington D.C. by the Republican national leadership stormed the Dale County Canvassing Board, punched and kicked one of the officials, shouted and banged on their office doors, and generally created a climate of intimidation that caused the board to abandon its recount and accept the dubious pro-Bush tally.[SUP]1[/SUP]
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Then a five-to-four conservative majority on the U.S. Supreme Court in a logically tortured decision ruled that a complete recount in Florida would be a violation of the Fourteenth Amendment’s equal protection clause because different counties have different ways of counting the votes. At that point Gore was behind by only a few hundred or so votes in Florida and was gaining ground with each attempt at a recount. By preventing a complete tally, the justices handed Florida’s electoral votes and the presidency to Bush, a stolen election in which the conservative activists on the Supreme Court played a key role.
Even though Bush Jr. lost the nation’s popular vote to Gore by over half a million, he won the electoral college and the presidency itself. Florida was not the only problem. Similar abuses and mistreatment of voters and votes occurred in other parts of the country. A study by computer scientists and social scientists estimated that four to six million votes were left uncounted in the 2000 election.[SUP]2[/SUP]

The 2004 presidential contest between Democratic challenger Senator John Kerry and the incumbent president George W. Bush amounted to another stolen election. Some 105 million citizens voted in 2000, but in 2004 the turnout climbed to at least 122 million. Pre-election surveys indicated that among the record 16.8 million new voters Kerry was a heavy favorite, a fact that went largely unreported by the press. In addition, there were about two million progressives who had voted for Ralph Nader in 2000 who switched to Kerry in 2004. Yet the official 2004 tallies showed Bush Jr. with 62 million votes, about 11.6 million more than he got in 2000. Meanwhile Kerry showed only eight million more votes than Gore received in 2000. To have achieved his remarkable 2004 tally, Bush would needed to have kept all his 50.4 million from 2000, plus a majority of the new voters, plus a large share of the very liberal Nader defectors. Nothing in the campaign and in the opinion polls suggest such a mass crossover. The numbers simply do not add up.
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http://www.michaelparenti.org/stolenelections.html
 
nwlady said:
yep, me and my darned opinions. There should be a law:rolleyes:
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You are not alone, Denise. I also agree that there is a lot of disrespect of poster's opinions and people calling our Presidents names. Calling people names is child-like and what we did as children. My Dad was military for 35 years and would not allow any disrespect to be shown towards the President in our home. Even when I was in Vietnam fighting a war for 14 months that I did not understand why we were there, I had no animosity or disrespect for President Johnson. My job was to kill the enemy, stay alive and help my fellow Marine do the same.

This is why I never argue politics and am an Independent. I vote for whom I believe to be the better candidate, regardless of their party affiliation.
 
Thanks OM, that's all I've ever really been concerned about, and I said early on I wanted to learn more about politics, but when the mud-slinging started, I stopped learning, or I think really, disrespecting opinions that have a highly condescending, disrespectful comment made. I can't support someone like that, and their opinion is clouded by what I believe to be anger and hate. Somehow I'm managing to weed out the personalities, and gather what's good.
 
AZ Jim said:
I suppose one could feel that those who tear down the President who was elected by the majority of Americans could be called "crappy citizens".
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If you will notice, what I said was basically word for word what Ameriscot said about Bush. I was trying to prove a point. I guess you didn't get it.
 
True Jim, those who tear down any president of this United State, could be called "crappy citizens" but I think more along the lines of "so unhappy" even frightened, and they tend to take it out on others with verbal abuse, rather than truly discussing the issue like adults. There are some folks here I love to read, as they are well able to keep personalities out of it. I'm trying but am not good at it. If we could mix our ideas, share them, without anger I am betting we could truly and only then, elect a president that is for ALL the people.
 

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