God has a plan. An observation and a question.

To explain further my dad died of cancer after a catastrophic life event. He had a heart in the first year and got cancer and died within six months afterwards. He was so weak when he was dying I had to tie his shoes for him. My best friend died of breast cancer after years of treatments and remissions. She was the nicest person I ever knew. I've also had more than one friend who commit suicide in very violent ways and a beloved family member committed suicide also. It's tough to believe there is a plan that includes death by agony or such fear that self destruction seems preferable to facing that fear.
 

chic said:
OK. What is His purpose? I believe. I've read the bible cover to cover many times, but I don't see solutions or plans there. I feel abandoned, so shed some light if you can.
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I've never read the Bible cover to cover nor have I spent much time in church.

I doubt that anything I can say about my relationship with God will help you with yours.

I guess it's up to each of us to form our own relationship with God or go it alone.

Good luck.
 

Della said:
Well, I guess I'm a Bible believer although not an inerrantist. Flawed humans have had a hand in all the translations.

I'm not a big believer in a plan. I believe God made us and then gave us freewill to mess up. I think it's up to us to drive safely and not count on Jesus taking the wheel when we head over that cliff.

We can decide to roast a tobacco leaf, then put it in a pipe and smoke it. Who gave us the cancer? We can innocently conceive a child, do everything right while we're pregnant and the child be born with a terrible birth defect. Was it God's plan or a genetic mutation developed in some people over hundred's of years?

What's the use in religion then? Why pray to a God who wont keep your loved ones from dying or you from losing a leg? I don't know about others, but I pray because God helps me through my mind. Prayer helps me deal with all this mess while it's going on, relieving panic and easing grief. I also get practical help through prayer when answers come to me shortly after praying. My religion gives me hope that when this relatively short spell on earth is over I'll go to a better place.

Other people will tell you about God performing miracles in their life, and maybe I've had some miracles and don't recognize them. Who knows?


My beliefs were imprinted on me when I was preschool age, but not through my parents or their arty friends, who were not churchy people. I had some spiritual experiences when I was alone in the woods around our house. My family thought I was quite the odd little duck taking my rocking chair into the trees to pray.
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Whatever helps you navigate through life's trials can be a good thing. I prefer to see people use religious beliefs as opposed to chemical escapes.
 
Lavinia said:
I think the Earth has a destiny just as we as individuals do. Whether this is a plan set out by a higher consciousness, I have no idea. It does seem that whenever people try to change things, they come up against a brick wall as though they are interfering with nature.
I am a 'medium' (dead people speak to me) and more than one has said 'I'm glad I left when I did because I don't want to be part of what is going to happen next in the world'. They have elaborated on that but I'm not sure I should repeat it.
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I need a laugh, please elaborate
 
I am the little girl in the classroom jumping up and down with her hand in the air, screaming,
"I KNOW! I KNOW! I KNOW!"
and
I DO KNOW!
I DO!
But no one gives worth to my words.
I'm not going to change Pepper's opinion that there is no God.
Those others of limited spirituality, set in their opinions of blaming God
for every thing that happens on this lowly Earth; they give my words no credence.
If they heard the truth, they would dismiss it as untruth.
They will find the truth of things in their own way, in their own time.
With so many agnostics, atheists, disbelievers in any celestial entities on this forum,
it's a waste of words to tell the sacred messages I've been given by the Holy Angels.

(I already know the names of the people who will click the emoji "haha".)
 
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How do you feel about the title "God has a plan"?

I think that as a saying it is faith based. Faith that a better life is ahead those thousands migrating across Mexico now might have believe "God has a plan".


And do you think His plan should be shared with us so we could cope better with life's slings and arrows?

That would be helpful especially if your child was born physically or mentally challenged.

Then what the plan is for those thousands that are housed, fed, & cared for is.
 
Maybe religious dogma has it wrong and rather God's plan since he gave us his precious son Jesus as a sacrifice, has been to guide us through moral values Jesus taught, leaving further work to Peter and his church along with the Holy Spirit, so that we humans can value and help each other ourselves instead of him directly intervening. And as a reward, has offered possible eternal life, arguably the most valuable gift imaginable for otherwise loving mortal organic intelligent creatures in his universe.

As I've speculated several times here on this board, I expect God and his angels are a race of ancient UIEs without unlimited omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence powers that have existed before the Earth and our solar system existed. Although I've also stated, the Bible is not inerrant, infallible, I do expect some is indeed from those powers including these verses from Jesus as a pre-human AI like entity that in a way primitives might understand points to such engineering.

Proverbs 8:22>30
“The LORD created me at the beginning of His way,
Before His works of old.
“From eternity I was established,
From the beginning, from the earliest times of the earth.
“When there were no ocean depths, I was born,
When there were no springs abounding with water.
“Before the mountains were settled,
Before the hills, I was born;
While He had not yet made the earth and the fields,
Nor the first dust of the world.
“When He established the heavens, I was there;
When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep,
When He made firm the skies above,
When the springs of the deep became fixed,
When He set a boundary for the sea
So that the water would not violate His command,
When He marked out the foundations of the earth;
Then I was beside Him, as a master workman;
And I was His delight daily,
Rejoicing always before Him,
 
I have a religious friend and we have debated this topic for years. I always respect and truly want to understand his beliefs, yet he feels sorry for me and my lack of faith.

We have talked of misery in the world and he always mentions things like "we never know God's plans". In his view God shepards the human race, and does what is necessary to protect the human race in toltallity. Just like a Shepard will destroy a sick sheep so it doesn't infect the flock God does the same. My friend says God looks out over all of time, so his plan when he takes what appears to be an innocent life may in reality be a plan for hundreds of years in the future, as in ending a life now to prevent something a descendent will do later.

The other thing I have been told is we (humans) have a different perspective of time than God. When I person fights cancer for ten years to us that is horrible, but to God ten years is not even a measurable spec or time.

In the end I think people want to believe there's more, heck many people NEED to believe there's more.

Personally I believe we are here and then one day we're not.
 
Lee said:
A nun said those words to me when I was in the hospital chapel after getting the news that my husband could lose both legs. Fortunately God's plan was a partial foot amputation. A skilled surgeon guided perhaps with God's plan.

I was in a panic, homeless except for a summer trailer, it was September and the park where the trailer was located was closing in six weeks. Never realized that apartments were as scarce as hens teeth. Six weeks prior I was feeling jubilant, my plan was working out great.....then the crash to reality.

Sometimes God's plan is not what you planned. That is when you have to at least try to make God's plan work and change the plan you had in mind.

I did, I had too and things are OK today.

And I have another plan in mind now.....I keep telling God to work with me :)
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The Creator's Plans and Purposes are Perfect, yes, caring for us who trust Him, and are as high above our (man's) plans or thoughts as heaven is above the earth. Always has been, and always will beeeeee ... :) Praise Him to the Highest, Blessed Be His Set Apart (Holy) Name.
 
C50 said:
I have a religious friend and we have debated this topic for years. I always respect and truly want to understand his beliefs, yet he feels sorry for me and my lack of faith.

We have talked of misery in the world and he always mentions things like "we never know God's plans".
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The Creator has revealed His Plans to men, long ago, and daily. So some of your 'religious friend's' ideas might not yet be complete.

C50 said:
Personally I believe we are here and then one day we're not.
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That's true for believers and for unbelievers, both.
C50 said:
In the end I think people want to believe there's more, heck many people NEED to believe there's more.
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There is more than anyone can even imagine in their wildest dreams or hopes, even the faithful believers know only a fraction....
 
chic said:
To explain further my dad died of cancer after a catastrophic life event. He had a heart in the first year and got cancer and died within six months afterwards. He was so weak when he was dying I had to tie his shoes for him. My best friend died of breast cancer after years of treatments and remissions. She was the nicest person I ever knew. I've also had more than one friend who commit suicide in very violent ways and a beloved family member committed suicide also. It's tough to believe there is a plan that includes death by agony or such fear that self destruction seems preferable to facing that fear.
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it just makes a nonsense out of the oft repeated phrase about God not giving you more than you can cope with... but did you know that 'God' never said any such thing in the Bible... it was taken out of context from Corinthians.. 10.13


“No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.”

This passage is specifically about temptation.

God does test us (James 1:2-4), but he doesn’t tempt us to sin (James 1:13). Temptation comes from Satan (1 Thessalonians 3:5, 1 Peter 5:8-9, Ephesians 6:11) & when we are carried away by our own lusts (James 1:14-15).

God does not allow us to be tempted beyond what we can handle - because he provides us with a way out. Our way out is through prayer (Matthew 26:41) & scripture (Hebrews 4:12).

If God didn’t give us more than we could handle, we would never need him.

So, people with blind faith believe that they'll never suffer more than they can cope with because God will ensure they are strong enough to bear their burdens ... believing that this is stated in the Bible , and it never was...
 
How can anyone please, worship, honour some entity that allows such horrors as is happening now in the world to innocent people?
I can never get a believable answer to that in discussions with other people when the subject comes up.:confused:
I need more tangible proof which never seems to be available. If it ever does I will shout hallelujah with everyone else.
Telling all the good things that happen just doesn't do it for me.
 
Homo Sapiens is the most dangerous predator and most invasive species that this poor planet has ever seen. After destroying our nearest competitors, other hominid species, up to 10,000 years ago, we are now engaged in mass extinction of other life and destruction of the environment on a massive basis. If you think this is part of God's master plan, you are sorely mistaken. Instead of God's finest creation (as we have anointed ourselves), we are God's biggest mistake.
 
spectratg said:
Homo Sapiens is the most dangerous predator and most invasive species that this poor planet has ever seen. After destroying our nearest competitors, other hominid species, up to 10,000 years ago, we are now engaged in mass extinction of other life and destruction of the environment on a massive basis. If you think this is part of God's master plan, you are sorely mistaken. Instead of God's finest creation (as we have anointed ourselves), we are God's biggest mistake.
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All was going exactly to plan until the first man ate "the forbidden fruit."

We aren't the most dangerous predators nor the most invasive species on the planet. Fortunately, we have "dominion" over every other species, or how would we have survived this long?
 
Murrmurr said:
All was going exactly to plan until the first man ate "the forbidden fruit."

We aren't the most dangerous predators nor the most invasive species on the planet. Fortunately, we have "dominion" over every other species, or how would we have survived this long?
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We have survived so long because of our large forebrain, through evolution, which took 4.5 billion years to get there. We are now the apex predator, the ruler of the planet which is why we claim (self-appointed) to have dominion over every other species. Dominion in this case the destruction of these other species. "The Holocene extinction, otherwise referred to as the sixth mass extinction or Anthropocene extinction, is an ongoing extinction event of species during the present Holocene epoch (with the more recent time sometimes called Anthropocene) as a result of human activity." We also manage massacre of other members of our own species, in massive numbers.
 
Just my theory but here it goes. There are two entities fighting it out.....God and Satan, each powerful in their own way.

Maybe the disasters in the world are caused by Satan, and then God comes along and gives the people a way to help those in need.

Putin....was he a product of Satan......Mother Theresa, a product of God. One good, one evil.

Illness may be caused by Satan, we do not know how or why cancer starts, but then again God is there guiding a physician with skilled hands.

We just don't know the plan, we may never know, simple as that.

I guess I could be considered a part time Christian, I turn to God when a need arises.....better than turning to Satan methinks.
 
Gary O' said:

God has a plan​


Yes

Yes, He does
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The human ego uses the argument for "God has a plan" as always revolving around humanity on this planet as the primary basis for creation. The size of the universe is immense beyond our puny understanding. Human arrogance views the universe as being for our benefit. But what if it doesn't? What if God's plan involves the entire universe, and that humanity has proven to be a failure in the grand scheme of things.
 
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