Senators reach a bipartisan deal for school safety and gun measures

There are over 400 million firearms in the U.S. households....the vast majority of which are probably not registered. The Only people who might comply with any new gun laws are those who would probably never present a hazard to anyone else. Like past attempts at gun control, these new proposals are largely "feel good", and would have little effect on the criminals and nut cases. Any major attempt towards confiscation would probably result in civil unrest unlike anything this nation has ever experienced.
 

It is a start in the right direction in that it represents some sort of change in thinking. It looks like a willingness to do something to curb gun violence within the existing limits of a federal system.

Not enough, I agree, but it is a turning point towards a safer society.
No. We have a 2nd Amendment for a reason, its in OUR Constitution. I see your in Australia. Every incident in the US the FBI was aware of issues with the assailants and did nothing!!! Every dictater in every country before tyranny confiscated weapons. Ask the Poles in 1939 if they wished they had weapons. So spare me. A safer society for who? This site keeps track of Chicago shootings.
https://heyjackass.com <Believe me these people won't be turning in their guns.
The question is why are these people killing adults and children? What has changed? Thats the questions we should be asking.
 
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There are over 400 million firearms in the U.S. households....the vast majority of which are probably not registered. The Only people who might comply with any new gun laws are those who would probably never present a hazard to anyone else. Like past attempts at gun control, these new proposals are largely "feel good", and would have little effect on the criminals and nut cases. Any major attempt towards confiscation would probably result in civil unrest unlike anything this nation has ever experienced.
"The Only people who might comply with any new gun laws are those who would probably never present a hazard to anyone else. Like past attempts at gun control, these new proposals are largely "feel good", and would have little effect on the criminals and nut cases."

^^^^^ And that is exactly why nothing has changed.
I said it before & I'll say it again: Whenever a crime is committed with a gun, they always want to punish the people who didn't do it.
 

Sure. Maybe I am misunderstanding just how these laws will work because different commentators have put their own twist on it when explaining how these laws work.

If I understand this correctly when of if I purchase a weapon, let’s say a S&W .380, my gun is registered and all the information along with it is placed into a database. If anyone, a law enforcement officer, neighbor, family member, whoever, would suspect that I am planning to shoot someone or make comments that may think I could want someone taken out, they could ask the court to remove all of my guns.

From listening to some of the news commentators, the real reason for red flag laws is by registering everyone’s guns into a national registry or database is so the government will know where the weapons are. If later, the Congress makes a law banning all semi automatic weapons, the government and local police agencies will know where the weapons are, so they can come knocking on your door and ask for them. It’s really another way big brother will be looking over our shoulders.

Any of us could make an off the cuff remark like “I would like to shoot the guy that developed this parking lot.” Or “I felt like shooting my neighbor after he didn’t clean up after his dog crapped in my yard.” If the wrong person hears those remarks, it’s possible that you could lose your weapons for a certain amount of time leaving you without your weapon to protect your family.

Unless I physically put a gun to my head and threaten suicide, or point my gun at someone, my guns should stay under my possession. I just think that it may be possible that someday if our government ever decides to remove all guns, they will know where they are.
Red Flag Laws are already illegal. The USSC overturned a lower court ruling years ago. The court ruled 9-0 against enforcing Red Flag Laws as unconstitutional under the 2nd and 4th amendments. However, there have been some lawmakers who continue to support these laws, including our President. https://libertas.org/personal-freedom/supreme-court-ruling-delegitimizes-red-flag-laws/

If our lawmakers and the president keep doing whatever they want to do and disregard or ignore the USSC rulings, we may as well burn the constitution.
 
Thank you for your thoughtful answer @oldman
Red Flag Laws are a bad idea for one basic reason, anyone can turn in their neighbor, whether it be true or false and report them as being a threat to society using a made up story. The cops take away the person's guns and if they admit wrong-doing, they may get them back in a year or more. Nice, huh?
 
Red Flag Laws are a bad idea for one basic reason, anyone can turn in their neighbor, whether it be true or false and report them as being a threat to society using a made up story. The cops take away the person's guns and if they admit wrong-doing, they may get them back in a year or more. Nice, huh?
And, if they want their guns back, they'll have to pay an attorney a fortune in legal fees - usually more than they're worth, with NO guarantee.
The end result is the police get to keep them. Or, more accurately, STEAL them - as they have done in the past with other valuables & cash - similar to "Forfeiture Laws."
 
I believe all politicians should have to be looking at the faces of these innocent victims when they vote. How would they feel if it was their child's picture shown here?
Sensationalism & drama haven't solved the problem in the past & won't solve it now.
 
And, if they want their guns back, they'll have to pay an attorney a fortune in legal fees - usually more than they're worth, with NO guarantee.
The end result is the police get to keep them. Or, more accurately, STEAL them - as they have done in the past with other valuables & cash - similar to "Forfeiture Laws."
I also was told by someone this happened to. He was accused of shooting his pistol to close to a residence and the cop took his gun as evidence. He was later found not guilty in court, but had to go through an attorney and a lot of money to get his gun back.
 
Red Flag Laws are already illegal. The USSC overturned a lower court ruling years ago. The court ruled 9-0 against enforcing Red Flag Laws as unconstitutional under the 2nd and 4th amendments. However, there have been some lawmakers who continue to support these laws, including our President. https://libertas.org/personal-freedom/supreme-court-ruling-delegitimizes-red-flag-laws/

If our lawmakers and the president keep doing whatever they want to do and disregard or ignore the USSC rulings, we may as well burn the constitution.
Thanks for the information. I wasn’t aware of that. If Red Flag laws are unconstitutional, then why is congress pushing them through to become legal? Won’t they be overturned by the Supreme Court?
 
Thanks for the information. I wasn’t aware of that. If Red Flag laws are unconstitutional, then why is congress pushing them through to become legal? Won’t they be overturned by the Supreme Court?
And around and around and around we go. My issue with the Red Flag laws is that they are not easily enforced.

As far as a gun control measure, it's like clipping the end of a rattlesnake instead of cutting off its head.
 
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And around and around and around we go. My issue with the Red Flag laws is that they are not easily enforced.

As far as a gun control measure, it's like clipping the end of a rattlesnake instead of cutting off its head.
I don’t see how red flag laws will aide in gun control. If someone U.S. planning an attack and keeps their mouth shut, those red flag laws didn’t do anyone any good.
 
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And around and around and around we go. My issue with the Red Flag laws is that they are not easily enforced.

As far as a gun control measure, it's like clipping the end of a rattlesnake instead of cutting off its head.
I don’t see how red flag laws will aide in gun control. If someone U.S. planning an attack and keeps their mouth shut, those red flag laws didn’t do anyone any good.
There are some scenarios where they would work. Unfortunately, it won't do a thing in many circumstances when the gun owner is expected to voluntarily turn over weapons. What's the consequence of refusal? What of weapons that were never registered, were traded, etc.
 
As many have already said, Red Flag Laws are unconstitutional and will not stand! As long as our loony Congressional representatives continue to think that guns are the problem, nothing good will happen. When they deal with the causes that influence young adults/ kids do these horrible mass killings...nothing will get better.

Some elements of the recent Red Flag bill touched on some of this, but what is needed is an all our war on those problems in our society that lead these kids down this phycological self-destructive road. Something like what was done following 9-11! The Government went after violent terrorists, doing whatever it took to tear down the organization that did 9-11!
 
Window Dressing to pacify & make us think they give a damn.
I totally agree. It'll be a "strongly worded" bill to "encourage" states to do, etc, etc. bill The "bill" is not even in writing yet. So, every Senator can be "fer or agin" it, depending on which group he's talking to. The bill, if it ever gets into legal bill form, will just die "In Committee" until we forget about dead kids. You don't think we'll forget 31 dead kids? Then tell me how many kids were killed in the Parkland school shooting?
 
Red Flag Laws are already illegal. The USSC overturned a lower court ruling years ago. The court ruled 9-0 against enforcing Red Flag Laws as unconstitutional under the 2nd and 4th amendments. However, there have been some lawmakers who continue to support these laws, including our President. https://libertas.org/personal-freedom/supreme-court-ruling-delegitimizes-red-flag-laws/

If our lawmakers and the president keep doing whatever they want to do and disregard or ignore the USSC rulings, we may as well burn the constitution.
They are not unconstitutional. The specific facts of that case were ruled such, not red flag laws period.
 
Red-flag laws allow police, family members or even doctors to petition a court to take away someone’s firearms for up to a year if they feel that person is a threat to themselves or others. Nineteen states and the District of Columbia — including two Republican-controlled states, Florida and Indiana — have some form of this law on the books.

Under red-flag laws, you don’t have to have a criminal record or a history of mental illness to lose your gun temporarily. If a judge is persuaded by an argument that you are a danger to yourself or others, police can take your guns away for days, weeks, months or a year.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/14/what-is-a-red-flag-law/

In the Caniglia case, the police didn't have a warrant to take his guns, nor did they seek one after they confiscated his guns — thus, the unconstitutionality of it.

It seems odd that the Libertas article didn't mention that fact. It must have been an oversight on their part. Surely they wouldn't intentionally misrepresent the facts.
 
There are over 400 million firearms in the U.S. households....the vast majority of which are probably not registered. The Only people who might comply with any new gun laws are those who would probably never present a hazard to anyone else. Like past attempts at gun control, these new proposals are largely "feel good", and would have little effect on the criminals and nut cases. Any major attempt towards confiscation would probably result in civil unrest unlike anything this nation has ever experienced.
Only a handful of states require registration of personal firearms; Calif and a few northeastern states.
 
The end games is to take your guns or make it so onerous to own one you won't want to. Remember when seconds count the Police are minutes away. If Congress, Mayors , Governors, Politicians and Hollywood gives up armed bodyguards I would feel they have skin in the game. Until then.....
The best solution is to harden schools with trained people. The 40 billion sent to Ukraine would have put a trained Police Officer in every Public School in the US for 8.5 years.
Again why are people more likely now to kill multiple people for no reason. Society has changed and we have to find common sense solutions. People who are evil will find a way to kill.
 
The end games is to take your guns or make it so onerous to own one you won't want to. Remember when seconds count the Police are minutes away. If Congress, Mayors , Governors, Politicians and Hollywood gives up armed bodyguards I would feel they have skin in the game. Until then.....
The best solution is to harden schools with trained people. The 40 billion sent to Ukraine would have put a trained Police Officer in every Public School in the US for 8.5 years.
Again why are people more likely now to kill multiple people for no reason. Society has changed and we have to find common sense solutions. People who are evil will find a way to kill.
Sarah Brady managed to make a fool of herself on a talk show when she pushed her anti-gun agenda.
She wasn't expecting someone in the audience to say: "Mrs. Brady, you have armed security with you everywhere you go & also in your home. You are surrounded by guns 24/7. What about the rest of us; why aren't we entitled to protect ourselves?"
She replied, "Well.....uh.....you see.......uh.......you can have........uh....." then they went to a commercial.

And an even bigger fool - Dianne Feinstein had a concealed weapon permit & carried a gun herself, while she pushed her anti-gun agenda.
I was shocked when a major newspaper published an editorial I wrote about her.
 
I can't understand the fear that criminals will have guns. They have then already. So if other don't have guns, what has changed?
People always want an easy solution to a complicated problem.
 


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