Edward Snowden - The Untold Story

Jackie22 said:
QS, you do not part with me, as Ralphy said, he belongs in jail.
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He ran off to Hong Kong with a suitcase full of our security information.. ( Like the Chinese didn't have that within 10 minutes).... THEN he was trying to get to Ecuador.. another country not really our friend.. AND of course we all know how he ended up in Russia... and Putin was more than happy to have him.. NOT just to get what the Chinese got out of him.. but to stick a finger in the eye of the USA. Snowden is guilty of espionage. He DOES belong in prison..
 

tnthomas said:
As a computer enthusiast I get the significance of Snowden's actions, in revealing the degree to which we all have had constitutional rights abridged by NSA practices. Too bad that he chose the route he took, whistle blowers are always villianized, never regarded as heroes.
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And that's the truth...anyone who dares blow-the-whistle is always, always, made a villain, no matter how much the information needed to be outed.
 
Rocky said:

And that's the truth...anyone who dares blow-the-whistle is always, always, made a villain, no matter how much the information needed to be outed.
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Except when they really ARE the villain... as in Snowden's case.
 

The one problem that I can see is that if he had stayed in the US, given his findings to Washington Post or whomever, the government might have swooped in, grabbed everything, thrown him in jail and the changes that have been made as a result of his 'current exposure' of what was going on might never have been made. I found an article that points to four issues that have been changed/improved as a result of his revelations. I do confess that I don't understand most of what I read, but it seems to me that if government agencies are prevented from running rough-shod over citizens rights, that can only be a good thing.

I wish I did understand because then it's a lot easier to discuss this kind of thing intelligently but I've informed my husband numerous times that if he dies before me, the TV with the multiple remote controls and all its various 'boxes' plus my computer will be out the door at the first sign of trouble because my skills with electronics is pretty much non existent. How many times have I hollered, 'Don, come fix the remote, I pushed the wrong button'? Too many to count.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/05/what-snowden-revealed-changed-nsa-reform

I also want to be protected but I think that there is a very slippery slope with all the sneaking and peeking that not only the NSA is doing but my own government is desperately trying to engage in. Our government oppositions recognize the need for government being able to get information in a dismal terrorist climate, but they are also demanding accountability and oversight and our Conservative Party seems bent on bulldozing their bill through without those protections. At least that is the impression that I'm getting lately.
 
Snowden is no hero in my book. Since when can a totally unqualified person sell out the secrets of his country and be anyone's hero? How do we know, or will we ever know how this may effect our own security? If he snooped and got classified information that concerned him he could have taken internal steps to make higher ups aware of his concern. As it stands he is being coached by a potential enemy in ways to present the data he stole to most effectively make our country look bad. His act stands as treason plain and simple. Others may disagree and I wouldn't have it any other way but as someone who has held the second highest security clearance issued by DOD, I took my discretion seriously.
 
Snowden will be thought of as Fuchs, Rosenbergs, and it will played by the press for their purposes, and politics for their purpose. In the mean time the optical fiber cables between the NSA center in Utah, Adobe and Oracle headquarters which are only 1/4 mi. Away will be watched 24 hrs. A day and closed television supervision by the Apache helicopter base 15 mins, away will intensify.
 
Having had an "association" with the DARPA side of things, you should be very concerned about "brain transplants" and AI systems in current development.
 
You should also be concerned about the recent break through in closed box biological agent testing at Dugway. Also concern yourself with hypersonic satellite controlled drone re entry testing that will be held outside of Wendover under the recent senate approval to increase the air space in that area. Ain't you glad your on the right side?
 
Jim didn't you say you worked for General Dynamics. Great company, only domestic gun powder manufacter in US , based in Florida. Interesting how just, yesterday, they brought in 2,000,000 rounds of green tip armor piercing ammo from Canada for
public sale ahead of Obamas, and Holders, BATF plan to make it illegal. Got to wonder who is playin who. That what goes around comes around thing can be a real bitch.
got to wonder why the Russians did't take him sooner, guess maybe they thought he was a double agent pushing jello recipes.
 
Debby said:
The one problem that I can see is that if he had stayed in the US, given his findings to Washington Post or whomever, the government might have swooped in, grabbed everything, thrown him in jail and the changes that have been made as a result of his 'current exposure' of what was going on might never have been made.
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I agree staying in the US wasn't an option for him. He's wanting to come to the US now if he can be guaranteed a fair trial. So far all they guarantee is that he won't be executed. http://rt.com/news/237149-snowden-us-trial-just/
 
AZ Jim said:
What's the matter amigo. Tell you what let's take a picnic lunch out to area 51, huh?
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Better still lets go to area 52, next to Enviocare, at the end of Wendover air space, you know -- the one with the old mock up Soviet Airbase, and Hill AF base uses for drone testing. If you got some extra time I'lol take you around Dugway and dhow you the pits were the Anthrax sheep are buried.
 
rt3 said:
Better still lets go to area 52, next to Enviocare, at the end of Wendover air space, you know -- the one with the old mock up Soviet Airbase, and Hill AF base uses for drone testing. If you got some extra time I'lol take you around Dugway and dhow you the pits were the Anthrax sheep are buried.
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Ok...then after we could maybe get a doodle burger and fries. Hey! If we're having a date, let's make it a full days worth of fun! *Turning to the three burly men holding the white jacket*...."Hold on guys I think we can do this without hurting him!"
 
Only if we can take the dogs, including Toto. As the tin man you can ask Dorothy if she has learned anything, she can click her heels and all the issues you are not addressing can go away.
 
rt3 said:
Only if we can take the dogs, including Toto. As the tin man you can ask Dorothy if she has learned anything, she can click her heels and all the issues you are not addressing can go away.
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If Dorothy is going along, I fully expect her to sing "somewhere over the rainbow" a few times. And maybe we can teach Toto how to balance a silver dollar on his nose....you bring the silver dollar.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I agree staying in the US wasn't an option for him. He's wanting to come to the US now if he can be guaranteed a fair trial. So far all they guarantee is that he won't be executed. http://rt.com/news/237149-snowden-us-trial-just/
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A con is not over, until the patsy falls. If your interested, start to think about why the NSA would want to this to occur, thinking they are spying etcetera, remember their real talent is disinformation. Go back a ways, using the Clooney movie, a The Men that stare at goats, as a guide sort of and research a guy by the name of Mike Echanis.
 

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