Every-time this brutality happens to a child... we call for the death penalty

hollydolly

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...and it will never be reinstated for murderers like these parents and elder son unfortunately, ... but why oh why given the sheer brutality and ultimate horrifically agonising death of the child... are these murderers ever allowed to have a sentence which will allow them to be released.

it makes me sick..:mad::mad: last year when this tiny tot, was found murdered the mother put on an Act worthy of on Oscar in front of the TV cameras, screaming, crying, begging for the return of her child....but it was all an elaborate act... she and her husband and stepson had viciously killed the fiver year old, by breaking just about every bone in his body...
He had suffered 56 external injuries to his head, face, torso arms and legs from "blunt force trauma".

The horrific catalogue of injuries included a fractured shoulder, extensive bleeding to the scalp and back of his head and a significant trauma to the brain

Logan had been so battered even his tongue was bruised but tragically he was still alive for several agonising hours after his liver and bowel were torn.

On July 20, 2021, Logan tested positive for Covid and was shut in his bedroom with a baby gate barring him from leaving.

Hours later, his body was discovered partially submerged in the River Ogmore in Bridgend, South Wales, on July 31. He was found just 250 yards from his home, still wearing his dinosaur pyjama bottoms and Spider-Man top.

The schoolboy - who was just 3ft 5in and weighed 3st at the time of his death - was tortured, starved and forced to do push-ups until he collapsed.

Logan had suffered 56 external cuts and bruises, and 'catastrophic' internal injuries likened to a high-speed road accident, caused by a 'brutal and sustained assault' in the hours, or days, prior to his death.

Experts said his injuries were 'consistent with child abuse' and prosecutors said in the months and weeks leading up to his death, Logan had been 'dehumanised' by his family.

Logan's stammer had worsened, becoming particularly bad around Cole, and the terrified little boy wet himself more frequently and began self-harming.

Cole, a former National Front member who nicknamed the five-year-old 'Coco Pop', forced the boy to eat Weetabix on family 'takeaway nights' while they feasted on KFC, and would tease him about the food he was missing out on.

In June 2021 the family were removed from the child protection register - meaning it was believed there was no longer a risk of significant harm.

Social workers visited Logan's house the day before he died, and took no action in May 2021 when he burned his neck on a hot bath tap. Social services had also been aware that Cole had a criminal record for violence.

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...if you can bare to look in the face of Evil the pictures of the murderers of that tiny innocent tot, they are on this link with the rest of the graphic story...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-Logan-Mwangi-just-FIVE-DAYS-moving-him.html
 

hollydolly said:
Every-time this brutality happens to a child... we call for the death penalty
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Certainly understandable.
hollydolly said:
...and it will never be reinstated for murderers like these
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Why not? You are a democracy, if the majority wanted it what would stop you?

I am ambivalent on the death penalty. I don't like the idea, but for people like this I can see it...
 
I agree with you HollyDolly. Sadly, a similar crime occurred a few years ago in Ohio. Once again, the Social Service people that was supposed to protect the child failed resulting in that child's murder.

IMO, a civilized society doesn't tolerate heinous crimes like this. They call for the criminal to be held responsible for their actions that was the criminal's own choice. The murderer demonstrated to everyone their lack of value towards human life and lost their right to live.

I know some believe that the death penalty is too cruel and should never be used no matter what a convicted criminal has done. But what has a society come to when they put more value on the life of a convicted criminal over that of the victim? Especially when that victim was a little child.

Just my thought on the punishment.
 
When a criminal is convicted of a major crime, fully admits to doing so, and there is video, and/or creditable witnesses, I see No reason why he should be "warehoused" at taxpayer expense for the rest of his life. Keeping these thugs fed and housed for decades can run into millions of dollars....money that would be far better spent on helping honest people.
 
I believe in the case of sexual abuse of a child the death penalty should be automatic because I believe there is no cure for the offender and he or she would do it again and again. For all other despicable crimes life meaning the life of the perp is worse than the death penalty.
 
Something like 21 states do not have a death penalty, however, federal law allows it, so the penalty of death can be given to a criminal convicted of a federal crime regardless of the state law where the crime was committed. I'm guessing that a state prosecutor or DA has to ask the state's supreme court to impose the death penalty, and then take it to the Federal Supreme Court if it's denied at the state level. And I assume this is rarely done because it costs the state money, and state prosecuters and/or DA's don't want to lose their jobs due to "wasting" that money.

@Alligatorob - if our democracy actually worked like it should, we'd probably have dungeons and conduct public torture for people like the ones in the OP. Interactive torture, I'd wager. With relish.

I forget what country it is - it's either Asian or Middle-Eastern - where all the people directly effected by a convicted person's crime is allowed to line up and take their turn at giving the convicted one a solid, unrestrained slap across the face. Doesn't matter if the line is 5 people long or 25, this is what you could call their "victim statement".

I like it. I mean, sometimes there are no words, you know?
 
Murrmurr said:
Something like 21 states do not have a death penalty, however, federal law allows it, so the penalty of death can be given to a criminal convicted of a federal crime regardless of the state law where the crime was committed. I'm guessing that a state prosecutor or DA has to ask the state's supreme court to impose the death penalty, and then take it to the Federal Supreme Court if it's denied at the state level. And I assume this is rarely done because it costs the state money, and state prosecuters and/or DA's don't want to lose their jobs due to "wasting" that money.
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Not sure I understand that?
 
or scumbags like this:
https://heavy.com/news/2017/10/zachary-koehn-cheyanne-harris-murder-iowa/
https://www.kansas.com/news/nation-world/national/article220901015.html

Yet when tragedies like this happen- and they happen too frequently- locals have the excuse that the parents 'were just too young..'
It occurred to me of all the people I knew in the past, none of the women were older than 21 when they became first-time mothers, fathers usually around the same age, and sometimes the parents were even younger.. yet I never knew of any 'young' parents harming much less killing their babies. It's not an age thing, it's a lifestyle thing. :mad:
 
Murrmurr said:
Oh, those were guesses and assumptions....I guess it's up to the prosecutor or DA to go to higher courts (at the state's expense) if s/he wants the death penalty imposed in a state that doesn't impose it. I don't know any other way that would happen.
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If convicted of a State crime in a state that does not have the DP, no DP can be imposed, period. Federal intervention is not possible.
 
Lilac said:
I agree with you HollyDolly. Sadly, a similar crime occurred a few years ago in Ohio. Once again, the Social Service people that was supposed to protect the child failed resulting in that child's murder.

IMO, a civilized society doesn't tolerate heinous crimes like this. They call for the criminal to be held responsible for their actions that was the criminal's own choice. The murderer demonstrated to everyone their lack of value towards human life and lost their right to live.

I know some believe that the death penalty is too cruel and should never be used no matter what a convicted criminal has done. But what has a society come to when they put more value on the life of a convicted criminal over that of the victim? Especially when that victim was a little child.

Just my thought on the punishment.
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if a dog tears a human whether to death or cause serious injury the dog is killed.. the dog if we had it the right way round wouldn't be killed , because it knew no better, instead it should be rehabilitated, trained, and taught... with humans.. there is no excuse.. they know you don't kill another human, much less a child.. and THEIR child. The mother in this instance was even more to blame, because that little boy was her own son... yet she gave the performance of her life when being arrested at home...

Watch the video on this link.. to see her disgusting performance.. It might be a little difficult for folks to understand the arresting police at the house , because they have strong Welsh accents, but just watch for the Mother's performance, knowing she'd killed, and also allowed to be killed a defenceless little tot....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Mwangis-14-year-old-stepbrother-murderer.html
 
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mrstime said:
I believe in the case of sexual abuse of a child the death penalty should be automatic because I believe there is no cure for the offender and he or she would do it again and again. For all other despicable crimes life meaning the life of the perp is worse than the death penalty.
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sadly in this country LIFE very rarely means more than 10 years served ..and then without exception, every child murderer or abuser is given a new Identity, and new home, on leaving prison... It makes me want to spew.
 
Don M. said:
When a criminal is convicted of a major crime, fully admits to doing so, and there is video, and/or creditable witnesses, I see No reason why he should be "warehoused" at taxpayer expense for the rest of his life. Keeping these thugs fed and housed for decades can run into millions of dollars....money that would be far better spent on helping honest people.
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Except it wouldn't be, and I'm sure we all know that.
 
JaniceM said:
or scumbags like this:
https://heavy.com/news/2017/10/zachary-koehn-cheyanne-harris-murder-iowa/
https://www.kansas.com/news/nation-world/national/article220901015.html

Yet when tragedies like this happen- and they happen too frequently- locals have the excuse that the parents 'were just too young..'
It occurred to me of all the people I knew in the past, none of the women were older than 21 when they became first-time mothers, fathers usually around the same age, and sometimes the parents were even younger.. yet I never knew of any 'young' parents harming much less killing their babies. It's not an age thing, it's a lifestyle thing. :mad:
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There's a murderer 'lifestyle?'
 
Alligatorob said:
Certainly understandable.

Why not? You are a democracy, if the majority wanted it what would stop you?

I am ambivalent on the death penalty. I don't like the idea, but for people like this I can see it...
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They are a parlimentarian, not a direct, democracy. I don't want to give in to a mob of revenge seekers, and that's what we'd get. Then, who is the animal? Can't stop all disgusting things, can't. Doesn't mean we can't try but we'd fail. Some folks are sicko nutsos.
 
Pepper said:
Except it wouldn't be, and I'm sure we all know that.
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yes but regardless of what the money saved would be otherwise spent on... there's no question that these child murderers should either be killed.. or removed from society forever.. and it just never happens here...

Only 3 times in our recent history has child killers gone to prison and never been released and that was a pair of murderers in the 60's Hyndley and Brady... who raped and murdered several children and buried them out in the wilderness where they couldn't be found .

Ian Huntley in 2003 for the murder of 2 little girls who lived in his road, and whose partner was their teacher.... and Fred & Rose West, who imprisoned their children and young women they snatched from the streets in a basement, raped, and murdered them... ( Fred west committed suicide, Rose West is still in prison enjoying apparently an elevated status ):mad:

..but.... every other week we're hearing stories of child killings and serious abuse, and the vast majority of them get sentences which do not reflect the seriousness of the crime. The whole Justice system need a good shaking..
 
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