Every-time this brutality happens to a child... we call for the death penalty

The only problem I have with the death penalty is it can and has been politicized. Innocent people have been put to death because politicians didn't want to look soft on crime. For that reason alone, I'm against it.

That said, where abortions are banned, we're going to see more and more child abuse.
 
SeniorBen said:
The only problem I have with the death penalty is it can and has been politicized. Innocent people have been put to death because politicians didn't want to look soft on crime. For that reason alone, I'm against it.

That said, where abortions are banned, we're going to see more and more child abuse.
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when it's been proved without any doubt that a person is guilty of a heinous crime such as this, then there should be mandatory and automatic death sentences. Why should we as taxpayers pay to feed and house them , only for them to coome out into society again in a few years and possibly commit similar crimes again ?
 
hollydolly said:
when it's been proved without any doubt that a person is guilty of a heinous crime such as this, then there should be mandatory and automatic death sentences. Why should we as taxpayers pay to feed and house them , only for them to coome out into society again in a few years and possibly commit similar crimes again ?
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We have a few automatic DP crimes here.
 
hollydolly said:
when it's been proved without any doubt that a person is guilty of a heinous crime such as this, then there should be mandatory and automatic death sentences. Why should we as taxpayers pay to feed and house them , only for them to coome out into society again in a few years and possibly commit similar crimes again ?
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Who gets to decide when a case has "been proved without any doubt?" People lie during trials, evidence can be falsified or hidden, jurists can be biased and prejudiced... As much as I'd like to see brutal murderers put to death, I don't trust the system to make that kind of judgement.
 
SeniorBen said:
Who gets to decide when a case has "been proved without any doubt?" People lie during trials, evidence can be falsified or hidden, jurists can be biased and prejudiced... As much as I'd like to see brutal murderers put to death, I don't trust the system to make that kind of judgement.
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when there's indisputable evidence of the guilt....
 
Lilac said:
I agree with you HollyDolly. Sadly, a similar crime occurred a few years ago in Ohio. Once again, the Social Service people that was supposed to protect the child failed resulting in that child's murder.

IMO, a civilized society doesn't tolerate heinous crimes like this. They call for the criminal to be held responsible for their actions that was the criminal's own choice. The murderer demonstrated to everyone their lack of value towards human life and lost their right to live.

I know some believe that the death penalty is too cruel and should never be used no matter what a convicted criminal has done. But what has a society come to when they put more value on the life of a convicted criminal over that of the victim? Especially when that victim was a little child.

Just my thought on the punishment.
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I guess the argument for not having the death penalty is that sometimes people who are convicted are innocent. Sad stories like that can be read at the Innocent Project site.
 
hollydolly said:
..as I said further back , where there's indisputable evidence of guilt, the DP should be automatic...
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I understand what you are saying. Now that DNA evidence is available, many people convicted have been determined innocent, and some spent many years in jail unnecessarily. You are right, everything is case by case.
 
Patricia said:
I guess the argument for not having the death penalty is that sometimes people who are convicted are innocent. Sad stories like that can be read at the Innocent Project site.
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Yep, that is true. Unfortunately our criminal justice system, like all such systems is imperfect and mistakes have been and will continue to be made. Hopefully less all the time, and I think the Innocence Project has helped a lot. We have learned a lot about DNA and its value, and the unreliability of many eye witness accounts.

On the other hand is a mistaken conviction leading to many many years in prison any worse than the death penalty? I'm not sure.

As @hollydolly suggests perhaps we could limit death penalties to cases where there is near absolute certainty.
 
Alligatorob said:
Yep, that is true. Unfortunately our criminal justice system, like all such systems is imperfect and mistakes have been and will continue to be made. Hopefully less all the time, and I think the Innocence Project has helped a lot. We have learned a lot about DNA and its value, and the unreliability of many eye witness accounts.

On the other hand is a mistaken conviction leading to many many years in prison any worse than the death penalty? I'm not sure.

As @hollydolly suggests perhaps we could limit death penalties to cases where there is near absolute certainty.
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I don't know the answer.
 
OMG...what a beautiful little boy! I just can't wrap my head around why anyone, let alone a child's own parents would treat them that way. I wish upon them the harshest punishment both by the legal system and the inmates they'll encounter in jail. I wish for them even worse torture than they inflicted on that innocent child. Eg: hell right here on earth then hell for all eternity.
 
On further reflection, when the murder is the result of child abuse such as in this case, and it's indisputable what happened, the parents should be put to death.

But first, put them in with the general prison population with the most dangerous prisoners for a year. See if they last that long.
 
SeniorBen said:
problem I have with the death penalty is it can and has been politicized. Innocent people have been put to death because politicians didn't want to look soft on crime.
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@SeniorBen You make a good point.

I believe politicians not wanting to look soft on crime has lead to lots of wrongful convictions, not just on murder, as well as all too often excessive sentences. Do you see any solution?
 

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