Do not assume anything. It is written. Yes, in the Bible I reckon you claim you believe in, but don't do what it says.
How to Compare COVID Deaths for Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People
- Thread starter Alligatorob
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You bet, when I get to the kingdom of heaven I will have no need for it. Here, at this time I do what I must to handle the pain, if you don't have the condition, you or Max Gerson can't fix it.
Yes, this is one that I have prayed about it. I tried many medications to help, I did not like the side effects, so I don't take those pills or IV treatments. I chose to use botox that keeps my muscles from seizing. I also use ice packs and an ice hat. If you don't suffer from this medical problem I invite you to go read, research and understand the condition.
Again, I ask if you have ever suffered from a medical condition? Do you ever or have you ever seen a doctor? Do people all over the world just make this stuff up?
Yes, this is one that I have prayed about it. I tried many medications to help, I did not like the side effects, so I don't take those pills or IV treatments. I chose to use botox that keeps my muscles from seizing. I also use ice packs and an ice hat. If you don't suffer from this medical problem I invite you to go read, research and understand the condition.
Again, I ask if you have ever suffered from a medical condition? Do you ever or have you ever seen a doctor? Do people all over the world just make this stuff up?
Prayer to God and then taking /trying medications that He does not approve of is not exactly kosher, is it ?
God never told you to take drugs with side effects, unless maybe to show you after that a better way.
Thus it may well be, as it usually is for people, your migraines are your own 'fault' , either wittingly or unwittingly , and can be relieved without drugs totally, if you are honest and seek the truth from God.
If you did as you say to do, you would not have to suffer any more. You would be free.
Oh, one more 'condition' - trust God, not medicine/ not doctors.
I have seen in Scripture and historically, and believe, that He curses all those, even believers, who put their trust in the flesh/man/mankind/medical doctors.
Do you know at all
what the Bible says
about people all over the world / society ?
Key word: pernicious - death-dealing.
in Galatians, in harmony perfectly with all of Scripture and with all of God's Plan and Purpose.
i.e. mankind is full of sin, sinful, and not even seeking to be free from the evil, rather seeking to drag everyone everywhere down to the pit daily.
JustDave
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Omicron may be more communicable, but it is less dangerous, but it's only the latest variation of the virus. We can't predict the outcome of this because we don't know what the next mutation of Covid will look like. We can't even know if we are at the end of the pandemic, the middle, or even the beginning for that matter.
I know my comment may not be entirely relevant to your opening post, but we are so derailed at this point, consider this just a feeble attempt to get us back to a rational discussion.
"Rational" about a fake political medical debacle ?
I heard "they" are creating a bigger scare this week in Portugal, where perhaps the nation/people are more gullible and persuadable and the power there is more complete, to use to force other countries/usa included/ to more draconian and devious measures again - shutdowns, sickness-causing-fds, etc etc and toxic jabs of course.
I heard "they" are creating a bigger scare this week in Portugal, where perhaps the nation/people are more gullible and persuadable and the power there is more complete, to use to force other countries/usa included/ to more draconian and devious measures again - shutdowns, sickness-causing-fds, etc etc and toxic jabs of course.
Why is it you never answer anyone's questions? You just throw back a bunch of stuff. You cant' answer any question on your own? How do you know so much about everything? Is that just all in your mind? If my migraines all my own fault, then I suppose taking care of a husband with terminal cancer was my fault, taking care of my Mom in my home for two years of dementia was my fault. Taking care of a family friend in my home while he covered from an amputation was my own fault. No, these were the lessons that God taught.
No, I can't quote the bible,I just live the things I learned.
Blessed, the answer is that he has been thoroughly brainwashed. No amount of truth, scientific data, or any other findings of the modern world will get through to him. He chooses to believe lies he's heard from other people (probably politicians), or maybe he's just making them up himself. It's too bad that in forums like this, rational discussion is sometimes subverted by someone who is doing it for mischievous reasons, or maybe he actually believes his own insane statements.
Throwing God, prayer, etc. into a discussion about the comparative rate of covid deaths between vaccinated and unvaccinated people is both funny and pathetic. It reminds me of the character in old comic strips who walked around with a sign saying, "Repent, Sinners!" Alas, the religious fanatics are still doing their destructive worst.
The truth, of course, is that so far, at least, the vaccine has been extremely successful in preventing the disease, or at least in some cases, keeping people from dying of it. And that's the only meaningful fact in this whole discussion.
Throwing God, prayer, etc. into a discussion about the comparative rate of covid deaths between vaccinated and unvaccinated people is both funny and pathetic. It reminds me of the character in old comic strips who walked around with a sign saying, "Repent, Sinners!" Alas, the religious fanatics are still doing their destructive worst.
The truth, of course, is that so far, at least, the vaccine has been extremely successful in preventing the disease, or at least in some cases, keeping people from dying of it. And that's the only meaningful fact in this whole discussion.
Your fault ? Why ?
I took care of a close family friend who just wanted to die because they were diagnosed with terminal cancer decades ago, for six months.
Whose fault was that ?
A sunny brainwashed brainwashing is not helpful. Will they ever learn, or will they never learn ? Most likely.
Meaning different when the false news is realized.
Why did you so far always give in to it ? Like others, because that's what you were long ago taught as if it was right ? And never learned what is right ?
Alligatorob
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@Just Jeff , what sources do you believe and rely on for health information on Covid and vaccines? If you had to point at the 2 or 3 best what would they be?
I learned long ago, a few decades ago, from the pharma representatives, that they would not tell people the truth , on purpose, hiding the remedies, in order to sell 100000.00 treatments. Asked them directly face to face in person, if they thought it was right to charge that much, to bankrupt families often, and not even be able to guarantee good results, instead of just telling them the truth for a few thousand dollars curing them ---- EVERY ONE OF THEM said YES. (they thought it was 'right' to do). I asked each one, in person, face to face, WHY? Immediately, no matter where they were from , anywhere in the country or another country, they each replied exactly the same "we cannot patent it".
JustDave
Well-known Member
Has anyone listed the sources and credentials the anti-vaxers use to charge the CDC or WHO with fake news? It really looks like they don't have any sources, just things they heard from someone else whose information may come from Mad Magazine for all we know.
But the question was From alligatorob, "what sources do you believe and rely on for health information on Covid and vaccines? If you had to point at the 2 or 3 best what would they be?" Do you have any sources?
The best source to see the fake news of the authorities is the authorities themselves, and how often their story keeps changing, especially the last three years.
The pandemic "plan" was planned decade or more ago, maybe you can find it in writing or online.
Otherwise, just watch and test the sources spreading the stuff you for some reason accepted in the past, don't take it for granted, don't trust without testing it yourself and seeing how what they say conflicts with their own information frequently.
Test for yourself, don't trust the anti-vaxers (why did you bring them up even, anyway?) .
Go as far back in history over the last century plus some, if you are seeking the truth about things today.
Those who were never trustworthy, those who could not be trusted when they first came to power,
are still untrustworthy,
and being pc politically correct does not make them any more trustworthy at all.
Alligatorob
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Yes, I believe that is true. The numbers I cited were for March 2022, when I believe Omicron was dominant.
You are right, no way to really know.
However if this follows a common pattern as the virus evolves it will likely get less dangerous and more communicable. The traits are related. Natural selection of course favors more communicable, and the less virulent the virus, the healthier the carrier, and the more able to spread the thing. It is also likely the vaccine will become less effective, but a new updated version should help with that.
This is of course all speculation, we just have to wait and see what really happens.
Em in Ohio
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huh? really? what the?
JustDave
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Yes, this would be desirable for both the virus and humans, I think, so it is quite possible that this would be the eventual outcome. However, evolution doesn't plan anything, and following mutations are still unpredictable. It seems to me Covid mutates more than other viruses, but I haven't been paying much attention to other viruses, so I don't know what is typical.
Our current vaccines for Covid helped slow down the spread, but they are not 100% effective to be sure. My guess is there will be more effective vaccines eventually.
Oh, you have not heard yet that @Just Jeff, knows the cure for everything that exists, that we can fix it all thru diet, cancer can be cured from your own body which he has done multiple times. That we are all victims of fake news, by big pharma and doctors. That if we believe in God he will fix it all. No other explaination count. Only what he says or promotes. I think that mental illness is alive and well, he has not chosen not to engage with anything that goes against anything he says or believes. I do not live in a world of make believe, I take the real honest information that is available and react accordingly.
Don M.
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When I read this guys posts, I am reminded of the definition for an "internet troll".
We have access to tons of data about Covid and the vaccines, on a very granular level, and on national levels. However, every forum seems to have a couple of posters who dismiss all the data and facts with a wave of their hand, and go off on viro-babble, pseudo-science, quasi-religious tangents.
Is it possible that it is all done by an app, in control of the site owners, to generate site activity? (Not that it would happen on this site, because Matrix..)
The fact remains that fully vaxxed people still die from Covid, but at a much, much lower rate than unvaxxed.
Is it possible that it is all done by an app, in control of the site owners, to generate site activity? (Not that it would happen on this site, because Matrix..)
The fact remains that fully vaxxed people still die from Covid, but at a much, much lower rate than unvaxxed.
dseag2
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