Covid was manufactured in a laboratory - in America rather than China.

Famous US economist Jeffrey Sachs, who led a two-year probe into the pandemic's origins, said he was 'pretty convinced' the virus was the result of 'US lab biotechnology'.

The claim, made at a global conference last month, has been seized upon by Chinese Government officials who said it warranted a 'thorough investigation'.

Professor Sachs, who was twice named one of Time magazine’s 100 most influential people in the world, admitted 'we don't know for sure'.

'But there's enough evidence that it should be looked into and it's not being investigated — not in the US, not anywhere.'

He added: 'I think for real reasons, they [US officials] don't want to look under the rug too much.'

Critics have previously described Professor Sachs as a President Xi 'propagandist', dismissing China's genocide of Uighurs and publicly calling for US cooperation.
Speaking at a conference on June 15, Professor Sachs said: 'I'll add one provocative statement, it may shock you or not shock you, you may say "I already know that Professor Sachs".

'But I chaired a commission for the lancet for two years on Covid.

'I'm pretty convinced it came out of US lab biotechnology — not out of nature — just to mention after two years of intensive work on this.

'So it's a blunder in my view — of biotech — not an accident or natural spillover.'

A video of the full conference, organised by Spanish globalisation think-tank Gate Centre, was posted on YouTube last month.

But his comments have been clipped and shared on Twitter by at least two Chinese diplomats in recent days.

Hua Chunying, the country's assistant minister of foreign affairs, tweeted: 'Given the heavy human and economic toll taken by the virus, don't we owe it to the millions of lives lost to have a thorough investigation into US labs?'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...RICAN-lab-claims-professor-Jeffrey-Sachs.html
I think when you make statements like he has, he should show proof to substantiate his opinions, otherwise, notable people could say whatever they wanted to and others may believe that person based on their resume. This man has a very good resume, but that alone does not make him an authority.

There have been several pieces of evidence to at least make Wuhan suspicious enough to be included on the very probable list of the origin for the Virus. Had the Chinese allowed a full investigation into their lab, we could clear this up one way or another. If they are in the clear, why not allow for an independent investigation, excluding the W.H.O. and the C.D.C.
 

Honestly, I read a great deal about HIV when a friend died from it. I wanted to learn as much as I could about this disease. I think one thing is certain and that is no one that is fully connected to science has discounted the fact where HIV came from or how it was spread. With all due respect, I am not trying to just say “Nope, you got it wrong,” but with so much evidence being available for all to read, why would I believe any other theory?

This disease didn’t begin in the 1980’s, but in the 1880’s as SIV or Simian Immunodeficiency Disease. When it transferred to humans, it become HIV, according to the CDC. I read a great deal about the virus on the CDC website. There are a lot of pages with some really interesting information on this disease. https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/whatishiv.html

I find it funny that you posted a link about the basics of HIV for me Oldman! :LOL: I had just transferred from city to state payroll as a DIS (Disease Intervention Specialist..aka Public Health Representative) for the STD department. Our big bosses who were the heads of the STD program (one was state and one a fed) made a special trip from Trenton, NJ to our home office to tell us about a disease that was discovered in 2 young gay men, one on the east coast, one on the west, simultaneously. It was Kaposi's sarcoma which we were told was usually found in older men. I wondered why they were telling us about cancer, then it was revealed that their KS was caused by what became known as AIDS. We were tasked with following up on HIV as well as the other STDs we had always followed.

We did a 2 year HIV study for CDC starting in 1991 and worked closely with one of their top epidemiologists and her colleagues who came up from Atlanta. She visited our site several times during the 2 year study. Before we got started we had to learn all we could about HIV/AIDS. And you better believe, we had to know our stuff when sitting down with them because we had to be able to transmit the proper information to our HIV patients, their contacts and sometimes doctors. Prior to the advent of following up on HIV, we DIS had to go to "Epi school", a special two week epidemiology course to study the other STDs we were responsible for counseling our patients about during the interview process. There were two subsequent shorter courses. We've had to tell many doctors, yes..doctors what the proper treatment was for certain STDs. Some charged a lot of money but gave the wrong treatments or not enough (usually for the stages of syphilis their patients were in). We had patients come in and tell us this when we had to start re-treatment. Usually they were scared, confused and p*ssed that they were charged for nothing. I'm sure those physicians thought they "knew" too because of their medical training and hopefully brushing up on things, but so many had it wrong and were too arrogant to admit it. I would just let them know that I had to document on the patients' field records that they were refusing to follow CDC protocols and that usually did the trick.

One can read every paper there is on these diseases. Just as there are credible papers, there are bound to be conflicting theories and even misinformation. So that means we may not be privy to the entire truth about everything. Do you think we are being told everything about everything that goes on in this country? I highly doubt it. I'm not saying HIV or COVID didn't start the way we were originally told they started. When COVID first hit, I read everything I could (from the CDC website) so that I could protect myself and also because my two youngest grandchildren's mother and grandmother became infected. The point of my original reply: I'm just saying I found some things suspect about what we were told about HIV and nothing revealed at this point about either disease would surprise me.
 

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Too many coincidences in 2019 especially before it was declared an issue in the US.

Mysterious respiratory illness at Virginia retirement home in July 2019

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/...zens-at-virginia-retirement-community/135890/

Ft Dietrich(bio research storage facility) Maryland had to shut down in by August 2019 due to safety issues

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

Early and hard flu season in the US by December 2019

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/06/us-flu-season-arrives-early-driven-by-an-unexpected-virus.html

Also in March 2019 they found traces of the virus in some sewers in Spain

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science-idINKBN23X2HQ

Also keep in mind there were 38 known mutations by the end of 2020 basically year one of the virus. That could indicate it was out and about longer than many think

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/16/eng...says-38-cases-of-new-covid-variant-found.html

Throw in the noted antibodies which means many got it unknowingly and survived/were asymptomatic it would have to been around longer and spread wider than many think.

My guess is it escaped at least one lab by or early in 2019. Wether these labs were working on something the found or manufactured is another story. These governments and corporations do plenty of risky research to say the least.
 
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What I'd wonder: what exactly is the purpose of "manufacturing" a virus.. regardless of where it occurred???
The excuse reasoning I've heard most is; genetically alter an animal virus to make it infectious to humans, then create a cure so that you have one in case an animal virus genetically alters itself to become infectious to humans. In other words, the research was foresight.

But I can't think of a time ever when science used foresight to stop an infectious disease before it even started. In my opinion, whoever genetically altered the virus to make it infectious to humans did it to weaponize a virus that had no vaccine and no cure.
 
The excuse reasoning I've heard most is; genetically alter an animal virus to make it infectious to humans, then create a cure so that you have one in case an animal virus genetically alters itself to become infectious to humans. In other words, the research was foresight.

But I can't think of a time ever when science used foresight to stop an infectious disease before it even started. In my opinion, whoever genetically altered the virus to make it infectious to humans did it to weaponize a virus that had no vaccine and no cure.
I'd say that's irresponsible, at the very least!
 
Follow the money...

Moderna’s board of directors approved a golden parachute for CEO Stephane Bancel worth more than $926 million at the end of last year, up from $9.4 million in 2019 before Covid-19 upended the world order.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/10/mod...y-hundreds-of-millions-over-the-pandemic.html

2.5 billion tax dollars went to Moderna to fund research into the covid-19 virus. 40% of that, instead, went to Bancel's retirement package.
 
We would blame anybody we could to avoid responsibility.
Remember that passenger plane that exploded in midair, killing all 230 on board? They expect us to believe the cause was a "spark in the fuel tank."
Yeah......after many people saw the streak of a missile headed toward the plane & a navy testing site just happened to be nearby.
How many families would be paid if they admitted the screwup?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800
 
Famous US economist Jeffrey Sachs, who led a two-year probe into the pandemic's origins, said he was 'pretty convinced' the virus was the result of 'US lab biotechnology'.

The claim, made at a global conference last month, has been seized upon by Chinese Government officials who said it warranted a 'thorough investigation'.

Professor Sachs, who was twice named one of Time magazine’s 100 most influential people in the world, admitted 'we don't know for sure'.

'But there's enough evidence that it should be looked into and it's not being investigated — not in the US, not anywhere.'

He added: 'I think for real reasons, they [US officials] don't want to look under the rug too much.'

Critics have previously described Professor Sachs as a President Xi 'propagandist', dismissing China's genocide of Uighurs and publicly calling for US cooperation.
Speaking at a conference on June 15, Professor Sachs said: 'I'll add one provocative statement, it may shock you or not shock you, you may say "I already know that Professor Sachs".

'But I chaired a commission for the lancet for two years on Covid.

'I'm pretty convinced it came out of US lab biotechnology — not out of nature — just to mention after two years of intensive work on this.

'So it's a blunder in my view — of biotech — not an accident or natural spillover.'

A video of the full conference, organised by Spanish globalisation think-tank Gate Centre, was posted on YouTube last month.

But his comments have been clipped and shared on Twitter by at least two Chinese diplomats in recent days.

Hua Chunying, the country's assistant minister of foreign affairs, tweeted: 'Given the heavy human and economic toll taken by the virus, don't we owe it to the millions of lives lost to have a thorough investigation into US labs?'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...RICAN-lab-claims-professor-Jeffrey-Sachs.html
Is there an English version of that YouTube video?
 
Follow the money...

Moderna’s board of directors approved a golden parachute for CEO Stephane Bancel worth more than $926 million at the end of last year, up from $9.4 million in 2019 before Covid-19 upended the world order.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/10/mod...y-hundreds-of-millions-over-the-pandemic.html

2.5 billion tax dollars went to Moderna to fund research into the covid-19 virus. 40% of that, instead, went to Bancel's retirement package.
I don't want to get any rumors started, but that was my thought, too.
 
2.5 billion tax dollars went to Moderna to fund research into the covid-19 virus. 40% of that, instead, went to Bancel's retirement package.
When I read this I thought you were surely exaggerating. But maybe not, $922.5 million is 37% of 2.5 billion, close enough!

I usually don't pay too much attention to all the hype over how much executives are paid. This is an exception.
 
Now the biggest concern should be ... when will it all END and just go away for good ? .... It will, won't it⁉️
....... I hope I live that long!
 
I'm no economist but I suppose it's possible the COVID virus got its start in a dark corner of my refrigerator. ;) 🤷‍♀️ :giggle:

Refrigerator-Spoiled-Food.jpg
Thanks for the tip, Aunt Bea. Now when I go into the fridge, I open and close the door quickly before running out of the room to let the germs (hopefully) settle out of the air behind me.
 
Famous US economist Jeffrey Sachs, who led a two-year probe into the pandemic's origins, said he was 'pretty convinced' the virus was the result of 'US lab biotechnology'.

The claim, made at a global conference last month, has been seized upon by Chinese Government officials who said it warranted a 'thorough investigation'.

Professor Sachs, who was twice named one of Time magazine’s 100 most influential people in the world, admitted 'we don't know for sure'.

'But there's enough evidence that it should be looked into and it's not being investigated — not in the US, not anywhere.'

He added: 'I think for real reasons, they [US officials] don't want to look under the rug too much.'

Critics have previously described Professor Sachs as a President Xi 'propagandist', dismissing China's genocide of Uighurs and publicly calling for US cooperation.
Speaking at a conference on June 15, Professor Sachs said: 'I'll add one provocative statement, it may shock you or not shock you, you may say "I already know that Professor Sachs".

'But I chaired a commission for the lancet for two years on Covid.

'I'm pretty convinced it came out of US lab biotechnology — not out of nature — just to mention after two years of intensive work on this.

'So it's a blunder in my view — of biotech — not an accident or natural spillover.'

A video of the full conference, organised by Spanish globalisation think-tank Gate Centre, was posted on YouTube last month.

But his comments have been clipped and shared on Twitter by at least two Chinese diplomats in recent days.

Hua Chunying, the country's assistant minister of foreign affairs, tweeted: 'Given the heavy human and economic toll taken by the virus, don't we owe it to the millions of lives lost to have a thorough investigation into US labs?'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...RICAN-lab-claims-professor-Jeffrey-Sachs.html
Nothing surprises me since I learned that, despite things like biological and chemical weapons bans, government research labs keep 'specimens' so that they can be 'studied' for countermeasures. Hmmm....Can accidents happen?
Of course, each government is going to point the finger elsewhere, swearing "It ain't us."
 
Well, if you either have knowledge or a theory, what is it?
The most accepted theory is that it came from bats, probably near Wuhan, China. See SARS-CoV-2 and NIAID-supported Bat Coronavirus Research however research is continuing and more will be learned. This is the way most human diseases have arisen, so no surprise.
speaking only for myself, pleeeeease leave out all the scientific stuff!
Science is the only way to figure this out. However I understand that reading and understanding it can be frustrating. It often is for me.
Sorry, I refuse to dwell on all of this, it's wasted energy. Further, how much does it really matter, at this stage in the game? Can 'we' change any of this?
I believe understanding the origin of the virus is helpful in a couple of ways. Most importantly it helps us better know how things like this could happen in the future, and perhaps improve our ability to respond. It may also help us understand where the virus is going.

Secondly I think the "conspiracy theories" are understandable and inevitable. It is and long has been human nature to search for quick and simple answers to questions like this, most have been what we would today laugh at. Like the earth being the center of the universe. Some people still believe in astrology... Only good science and time have helped, this one will take more of both. The public will make better decisions if they better understand the problem.

In the end it is the public who matters most.
 

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