Their "options" are adoption. Not many choices, huh?
10 Year Old Victim Denied Treatment in Ohio
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Bella
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I've been holding back on expressing myself on the issue of Roe vs. Wade being overturned. I've had it and today I'm letting loose. Buckle up!
No one wants to keep beating the same old drum. Still, remaining silent is the worst choice we have. Today, it’s more urgent than ever to get our leadership in check. We’re not being assertive enough, visible enough, or vocal enough, but that’s not exclusively our fault as a population. The American people, right now, are being purposely misled. Of course, with the proven effectiveness of "divide and conquer," that is the goal of some American leaders, or those who have stolen the leadership of this great nation for their own personal advantage. "We the people," who are supposed to be those who rule, are being overruled instead. A democracy has no room for aristocrats, yet somehow, "we the people" are in the midst of just such an invasion from within.
A column I read this morning talked about something that has been bothering me for a while. Leaders in the United States cannot limit some people's rights while granting or improving others'. We must also keep in mind that we can’t limit any rights only to specific people. Every time one person loses a right, tens of millions lose that right. It may not be as important to some as it is to others, but when anyone is victimized, everyone is a potential victim, and every right grows ripe for the chopping block.
Freedom: America is famous for the promise of it. That promise has never been delivered equally... ever. Still, it remains the paramount goal that almost all of us seek for everyone. Most people are, at least, familiar with some of the language delivered to King George in our Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." To secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, the people have the right to change or abolish it and institute new governments.
It is our right to abolish unfair practices by our government. Are we there yet? This past week pretty much proves we are, but what does that mean? Another civil war? For a long time, most of us have been systematically herded into a subclass of people. Our leaders, who ostensibly work under our orders and for our benefit, have spent a long time legislating themselves into an aristocracy. To add insult to persecution, whenever it is convenient for them and their major supporters, they heartily tout and quote the same literature that guarantees the very rights they deny to us. They have verbally acknowledged that they will revisit the legality of rights long endorsed—for all—by the writings they so frequently use to their advantage since Roe v. Wade was overturned on June 24, 2022. They will also be endangering other established laws that will affect women’s rights, civil rights, and gay rights.
For anyone who hasn’t noticed, this is supposedly the land of the free. We salute the flag for those words. What do they mean? This legislative recklessness implies that only those whom the government sees fit to bestow equality and freedom on shall have it, but none of us is free until all of us are free.
No one can defend this nation without defending the words of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. These powerful documents, written far ahead of their time, still "hold these truths" — not trickery, not wishes, ideals, or hopes, but truths; "to be self-evident," not to be conditionally true or a necessary illusion for unfair legislation, but "self-evident" that "all men are created equal" — not white men, rich men, or powerful men, but all mankind.
No one can wave our flag for the rights of one citizen while eradicating those same rights for another. Only hypocrisy can legislate to protect life while legislating to make it easier to take it at the end of a barrel. Only hypocrisy can refuse freedom from the same crime to one-half of the people involved, some of whom are victims themselves.
America is better than this, yet we allow corruption to unravel the very foundation of our nation, and erode our voting ability to stop it to boot.
Khrushchev was right; we will bury ourselves; it’s happening now.
Bella
No one wants to keep beating the same old drum. Still, remaining silent is the worst choice we have. Today, it’s more urgent than ever to get our leadership in check. We’re not being assertive enough, visible enough, or vocal enough, but that’s not exclusively our fault as a population. The American people, right now, are being purposely misled. Of course, with the proven effectiveness of "divide and conquer," that is the goal of some American leaders, or those who have stolen the leadership of this great nation for their own personal advantage. "We the people," who are supposed to be those who rule, are being overruled instead. A democracy has no room for aristocrats, yet somehow, "we the people" are in the midst of just such an invasion from within.
A column I read this morning talked about something that has been bothering me for a while. Leaders in the United States cannot limit some people's rights while granting or improving others'. We must also keep in mind that we can’t limit any rights only to specific people. Every time one person loses a right, tens of millions lose that right. It may not be as important to some as it is to others, but when anyone is victimized, everyone is a potential victim, and every right grows ripe for the chopping block.
Freedom: America is famous for the promise of it. That promise has never been delivered equally... ever. Still, it remains the paramount goal that almost all of us seek for everyone. Most people are, at least, familiar with some of the language delivered to King George in our Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." To secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, the people have the right to change or abolish it and institute new governments.
It is our right to abolish unfair practices by our government. Are we there yet? This past week pretty much proves we are, but what does that mean? Another civil war? For a long time, most of us have been systematically herded into a subclass of people. Our leaders, who ostensibly work under our orders and for our benefit, have spent a long time legislating themselves into an aristocracy. To add insult to persecution, whenever it is convenient for them and their major supporters, they heartily tout and quote the same literature that guarantees the very rights they deny to us. They have verbally acknowledged that they will revisit the legality of rights long endorsed—for all—by the writings they so frequently use to their advantage since Roe v. Wade was overturned on June 24, 2022. They will also be endangering other established laws that will affect women’s rights, civil rights, and gay rights.
For anyone who hasn’t noticed, this is supposedly the land of the free. We salute the flag for those words. What do they mean? This legislative recklessness implies that only those whom the government sees fit to bestow equality and freedom on shall have it, but none of us is free until all of us are free.
No one can defend this nation without defending the words of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. These powerful documents, written far ahead of their time, still "hold these truths" — not trickery, not wishes, ideals, or hopes, but truths; "to be self-evident," not to be conditionally true or a necessary illusion for unfair legislation, but "self-evident" that "all men are created equal" — not white men, rich men, or powerful men, but all mankind.
No one can wave our flag for the rights of one citizen while eradicating those same rights for another. Only hypocrisy can legislate to protect life while legislating to make it easier to take it at the end of a barrel. Only hypocrisy can refuse freedom from the same crime to one-half of the people involved, some of whom are victims themselves.
America is better than this, yet we allow corruption to unravel the very foundation of our nation, and erode our voting ability to stop it to boot.
Khrushchev was right; we will bury ourselves; it’s happening now.
Bella
I don’t know what their options are. I’ve never been to one.
helenbacque
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Maybe it was there and I missed it. Please tell me the RAPIST went to jail for a very long time.
Khrushchev said "WE (the USSR) Will Bury You." Then he took off his shoe & banged it on the podium!
officerripley
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This is all what I"ve heard too. I remember a teacher in social studies class back in high school saying that states rights was basically a sop to the slave owners to join the independency movement, letting them keep their slaves but still join the new country.
Maybe it's not.
officerripley
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Yeah, it was Lincoln actually who warned about it:
"At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be out lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."
Shalimar
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What if you lack the funds?
People have to Go Fund Them.
Bella
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Yes, good catch! That's what Khrushchev said while addressing Western ambassadors at a reception at the Polish embassy in Moscow on November 18, 1956. "We will bury you!” (Russian: «Мы вас похороним!», romanized: “My vas pokhoronim!”).
We don't need Russia to bury us, the way things are going, "We will bury ourselves: it's happening now."
We shall see.
Bella
Murrmurr
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She's not a woman, though. She's a child and a victim of extreme abuse.
(She went to Indiana and got the care she needed.)
Murrmurr
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The article said "The child had to be sent across the state border into neighbouring Indiana, where a more liberal abortion regime is still in place."
There's a very good possibility that her parents' insurance covered the medically necessary procedure.
There's a very good possibility her father might be a very bad boy.
Murrmurr
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was he the perv...I mean perp???
Shalimar
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There certainly isn’t a possibility that a ten year old child voluntarily participated in sexual acts which rendered her pregnant. Chances very high it was a family member.
SeniorBen
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Next on the chopping block is our democracy when SCOTUS considers “independent legislature theory, which, until recently, was considered a radical and wacko concept. People need to act now before it's too late.I've been holding back on expressing myself on the issue of Roe vs. Wade being overturned. I've had it and today I'm letting loose. Buckle up!
No one wants to keep beating the same old drum. Still, remaining silent is the worst choice we have. Today, it’s more urgent than ever to get our leadership in check. We’re not being assertive enough, visible enough, or vocal enough, but that’s not exclusively our fault as a population. The American people, right now, are being purposely misled. Of course, with the proven effectiveness of "divide and conquer," that is the goal of some American leaders, or those who have stolen the leadership of this great nation for their own personal advantage. "We the people," who are supposed to be those who rule, are being overruled instead. A democracy has no room for aristocrats, yet somehow, "we the people" are in the midst of just such an invasion from within.
A column I read this morning talked about something that has been bothering me for a while. Leaders in the United States cannot limit some people's rights while granting or improving others'. We must also keep in mind that we can’t limit any rights only to specific people. Every time one person loses a right, tens of millions lose that right. It may not be as important to some as it is to others, but when anyone is victimized, everyone is a potential victim, and every right grows ripe for the chopping block.
Freedom: America is famous for the promise of it. That promise has never been delivered equally... ever. Still, it remains the paramount goal that almost all of us seek for everyone. Most people are, at least, familiar with some of the language delivered to King George in our Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." To secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, the people have the right to change or abolish it and institute new governments.
It is our right to abolish unfair practices by our government. Are we there yet? This past week pretty much proves we are, but what does that mean? Another civil war? For a long time, most of us have been systematically herded into a subclass of people. Our leaders, who ostensibly work under our orders and for our benefit, have spent a long time legislating themselves into an aristocracy. To add insult to persecution, whenever it is convenient for them and their major supporters, they heartily tout and quote the same literature that guarantees the very rights they deny to us. They have verbally acknowledged that they will revisit the legality of rights long endorsed—for all—by the writings they so frequently use to their advantage since Roe v. Wade was overturned on June 24, 2022. They will also be endangering other established laws that will affect women’s rights, civil rights, and gay rights.
For anyone who hasn’t noticed, this is supposedly the land of the free. We salute the flag for those words. What do they mean? This legislative recklessness implies that only those whom the government sees fit to bestow equality and freedom on shall have it, but none of us is free until all of us are free.
No one can defend this nation without defending the words of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. These powerful documents, written far ahead of their time, still "hold these truths" — not trickery, not wishes, ideals, or hopes, but truths; "to be self-evident," not to be conditionally true or a necessary illusion for unfair legislation, but "self-evident" that "all men are created equal" — not white men, rich men, or powerful men, but all mankind.
No one can wave our flag for the rights of one citizen while eradicating those same rights for another. Only hypocrisy can legislate to protect life while legislating to make it easier to take it at the end of a barrel. Only hypocrisy can refuse freedom from the same crime to one-half of the people involved, some of whom are victims themselves.
America is better than this, yet we allow corruption to unravel the very foundation of our nation, and erode our voting ability to stop it to boot.
Khrushchev was right; we will bury ourselves; it’s happening now.
Bella
What do you suggest? Act how?
Khrushchev said, “We will take America without firing a shot. We do not have to invade the U.S. We will destroy you from within....”
Living where I do I think about the "civil war" comments often. I will not be on the side of most of the people who live in my home state or my adopted state. I understand supreme court justices can be impeached.
Living where I do I think about the "civil war" comments often. I will not be on the side of most of the people who live in my home state or my adopted state. I understand supreme court justices can be impeached.
SeniorBen
Senior Member
Well, for starters, people who value our democracy need to vote this November in greater numbers than those who crave authoritarian rule.
Beyond that, I'm still researching what can be done. I'll post a plan when I have one. Vive la résistance!
fuzzybuddy
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I totally agree with you. It's completely passing the buck. The SCOTUS is a political animal, despite the legal trappings.
i found the article to be very limited on facts.......
saying girl was 6 weeks plus three days............ seem extremely specific and doubt the 6 week rule in any state would quibble over a guesstimate. Besides a pregnancy at that age could be life threatening and medically needed....
we really do not know what was the outcome ....
i have found some saying they were denied care but in fact they just did not like what options may be presented...
Also imagine a girl this young already traumatized being further subjected to being used as an prop for a fight.
I have NOT read the Ohio law but many of restrictions do not apply to Rape/ incest or life of the mother .........
so i think more facts may be needed....
Right now they said NOTHING about rapist in custody or if caught / known etc..... do we NOT care about that crime?
glad she was treated but this just added to her trauma having an abortion and being used as a poster child for an argument honestly.
saying girl was 6 weeks plus three days............ seem extremely specific and doubt the 6 week rule in any state would quibble over a guesstimate. Besides a pregnancy at that age could be life threatening and medically needed....
we really do not know what was the outcome ....
i have found some saying they were denied care but in fact they just did not like what options may be presented...
Also imagine a girl this young already traumatized being further subjected to being used as an prop for a fight.
I have NOT read the Ohio law but many of restrictions do not apply to Rape/ incest or life of the mother .........
so i think more facts may be needed....
Right now they said NOTHING about rapist in custody or if caught / known etc..... do we NOT care about that crime?
glad she was treated but this just added to her trauma having an abortion and being used as a poster child for an argument honestly.
so in a few sites and many people are looking into this story as this may be a made up propaganda instance....
"The fact-checking publication Snopes was also unable to verify the incident in its July 5 investigation of the story, which noted that Bernard did not respond to the outlet’s attempts to contact her."
"Dr Bernard has worked with the media actively in the past and advocated against legal abortion limits previously in Politico, The Republic, PBS, 13WTHR and WRTV Indianapolis. The June 29 Politico article, which ran two days after Bernard claims to have received the call about a pregnant 10-year-old, makes no mention of the event."
no report to LAW enforcement in either state looking for the "rapist" ...
"The fact-checking publication Snopes was also unable to verify the incident in its July 5 investigation of the story, which noted that Bernard did not respond to the outlet’s attempts to contact her."
"Dr Bernard has worked with the media actively in the past and advocated against legal abortion limits previously in Politico, The Republic, PBS, 13WTHR and WRTV Indianapolis. The June 29 Politico article, which ran two days after Bernard claims to have received the call about a pregnant 10-year-old, makes no mention of the event."
no report to LAW enforcement in either state looking for the "rapist" ...