Let's get that pipeline built!
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Maybe I found the source for this China bit. It seems that if we don't build the pipeline then China will get it ALL from Canada. If we do complete the pipeline, maybe half or less will go to foreign customers which would include China.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Keystone-Canada-China-oil/2014/03/24/id/561277/
[h=1]China Would Get Alberta Oil if Keystone Pipeline Blocked[/h]
Monday, 24 Mar 2014 09:11 AM
By Courtney Coren
If President Barack Obama does not approve the Keystone XL Pipeline, the crude oil would go directly to refineries in China and other Asian countries.
The environmental concerns of the oil being sent to China has become a talking point for Keystone advocates, who say there are greater environmental risks if China refines the oil and not the United States, which has more stringent regulations, NBC News reported.
AZ Jim
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Who said it's the least hazardous?
rkunsaw
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Everyone with any sense says the pipeline is the least hazardous way to ship it.
AZ Jim
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So, it's just your opinion, not fact. I see.
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I love my country dearly, but all I can say regarding the Eco terrorism practiced in Alberta, and the pipeline our prime minister,(for the moment at least), is throwing at us is: not in my name! Here on the left coast, the battle lines are already drawn, we will fight this atrocity in the courts, and if that fails, we will resort to civil disobedience. This battle has drawn together First People's, and other like-minded individuals, cutting across age and cultural divides. Pipeline, over my dead, or incarcerated body!
The U.S. Department of Transportation said the pipeline is the safest way to transport oil, Jim.
What can you tell me about our nation's pipelines?The nation's pipelines are a transportation system. Pipelines enable the safe movement of extraordinary quantities of energy products to industry and consumers, literally fueling our economy and way of life. The arteries of the Nation's energy infrastructure, as well as one of the safest and least costly ways to transport energy products, our oil and gas pipelines provide the resources needed for national defense, heat and cool our homes, generate power for business and fuel an unparalleled transportation system.
The nation's more than 2.6 million miles of pipelines safely deliver trillions of cubic feet of natural gas and hundreds of billions of ton/miles of liquid petroleum products each year. They are essential: the volumes of energy products they move are well beyond the capacity of other forms of transportation. It would take a constant line of tanker trucks, about 750 per day, loading up and moving out every two minutes, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, to move the volume of even a modest pipeline. The railroad-equivalent of this single pipeline would be a train of 75 2,000-barrel tank rail cars everyday.
Pipeline systems are the safest means to move these products. The federal government rededicated itself to pipeline safety in 2006 when the PIPES Act was signed. It mandates new methods and makes commitments for new technologies to manage the integrity of the nation's pipelines and raise the bar on pipeline safety.
http://www.phmsa.dot.gov/portal/sit...ac010VgnVCM1000008049a8c0RCRD&vgnextfmt=print
AZ Jim
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No fight and there will be no pipeline.
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Don M.
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It wouldn't surprise me a bit that "someone" in Washington is being paid off handsomely to quash this pipeline. After all, Nothing happens in Washington that isn't the Dictate of some Big Money interest. Environmental concerns about this pipeline are just some "Spin" to make some of our people Think that Washington really cares.
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Hey Jim... do you remember where I put that roll of tin foil?? lol!!
AZ Jim
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I'll find it, I think there was enough left to outfit our conspiracy friends.
AZ Jim
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All this talk about how much is completed, but NONE of the proposed Northern pipe is constructed in the USA and I don't think it will be.
You must be speaking only of the newest planned part of the pipeline as we have pipes from well down in Oklahoma all the way up into Canada in Saskatchewan. The only part that is missing is the latest proposal from Kansas to Saskatchewan. All the complaints the government had demanded have been done. So now it looks like just a bull headed stopping with no justification in place.
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Yes Bob... People are against the pipeline just BECAUSE... and for no reason... because well... Why not? Give me a break..
Maybe when Obama is gone we will have once again a Constitutional government and we will once again be a progressing nation and working to pay off these extra 12 trillion dollars of debt for nothing showing worth that much. Then too, maybe this unproven cleanup need will fade away again as it has in many countries. The UN group that never could prove the need for all this cleanup is still wondering what is going on but they keep preaching all their nasty lies. Only poorly educated and unwilling to learn folks really believe in all the nonsense we are supposed to believe and do for those politicians that are only working for control. Nothing more, control is all they want. Unfortunately they have far too many that do believe their lies.
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:yawning:
QuickSilver
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Facts don't.... but partisan nonsense regurgitated over and over and over does.. Particularly FAUX news propaganda
AZ Jim
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I know why we don't want that pipeline, but why does ANYONE want it? It can't be the few jobs temporarily created. Is it just because the President doesn't want it? Puzzled, but I suspect the latter to be the answer.
All you post is partisan nonsense, not me. I am posting ideas not twisted by the group you so love with no knowledge of other facts that are more true and not so twisted.
Some facts from the past. From several years past we have a weather report that could have been this years weather report. No changes at all. Then some conversations from Australia where it was stated that even the IPCC did not think there really was global warming.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/03/08/wheres_global_warming/
Where's global warming?
By Jeff Jacoby
Globe Columnist / March 8, 2009
<Clip>
The United States has shivered through an unusually severe winter, with snow falling in such unlikely destinations as New Orleans, Las Vegas, Alabama, and Georgia. On Dec. 25, every Canadian province woke up to a white Christmas, something that hadn't happened in 37 years. Earlier this year, Europe was gripped by such a killing cold wave that trains were shut down in the French Riviera and chimpanzees in the Rome Zoo had to be plied with hot tea. Last week, satellite data showed three of the Great Lakes - Erie, Superior, and Huron - almost completely frozen over. In Washington, D.C., what was supposed to be a massive rally against global warming was upstaged by the heaviest snowfall of the season, which paralyzed the capital.
<Clip>
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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html
Climate facts to warm to
Christopher Pearson | March 22, 2008
CATASTROPHIC predictions of global warming usually conjure with the notion of a tipping point, a point of no return.
Last Monday - on ABC Radio National, of all places - there was a tipping point of a different kind in the debate on climate change. It was a remarkable interview involving the co-host of Counterpoint, Michael Duffy and Jennifer Marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of Melbourne-based think tank the Institute of Public Affairs. Anyone in public life who takes a position on the greenhouse gas hypothesis will ignore it at their peril.
Duffy asked Marohasy: "Is the Earth stillwarming?"
She replied: "No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not what you'd expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years."
Duffy: "Is this a matter of any controversy?"
Marohasy: "Actually, no. The head of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has actually acknowledged it. He talks about the apparent plateau in temperatures so far this century. So he recognises that in this century, over the past eight years, temperatures have plateaued ... This is not what you'd expect, as I said, because if carbon dioxide is driving temperature then you'd expect that, given carbon dioxide levels have been continuing to increase, temperatures should be going up ... So (it's) very unexpected, not something that's being discussed. It should be being discussed, though, because it's very significant."
.......................
Now for some current reports. Start with Nov 2014.
http://www.newsmax.com/MKTNews/global-warming-hoax-facts/2014/10/17/id/601458/
[h=1]New Reports: There Is No Global Warming[/h]
Saturday, 07 Mar 2015 12:06 PM
The liberal media machine has spent decades bulldozing anyone who tells you global warming is a sham.
They even came up with a clever little title — “deniers.”
Every time a heat wave hits, every time a picture of a lone polar bear gets taken . . . the left pounds the table for environmental reform, more policy, more money to combat climate change. But how much has the world really warmed?
Their message is simple: Get on the man-made global warming bandwagon . . . or you’re just ignorant.
But how much has the world really warmed?
It’s an important question, considering the U.S. government spends $22 billion a year to fight the global warming crisis (twice as much as it spends protecting our border).
To put that in perspective, that is $41,856 every minute going to global warming initiatives.
[h=2]But that's just the tip of a gargantuan iceberg.[/h]
According to Forbes columnist Larry Bell, the ripple effect of global warming initiatives actually costs Americans $1.75 trillion . . . every year.
That's three times larger than the entire U.S. federal budget deficit.
So, has anyone stopped to ask . . . how much has the globe actually warmed?
Well, we asked, and what we found was striking.
According to NASA’s own data via Remote Sensing Systems(RSS), the world has warmed a mere .36 degrees Fahrenheit over the last 35 years (they started measuring the data in 1979).
Hardly anything to panic about; however, that does mean the world is warmer, right?
The problem with that argument is that we experienced the bulk of that warming between 1979 and 1998 . . . since then, we’ve actually had temperatures DROPPING!
As can be seen in this chart, we haven’t seen any global warming for 17 years.
Weakening the global warming argument is data showing that the North Polar ice cap is increasing in size. Recent satellite images from NASA actually reflect an increase of 43% to 63%.
This is quite the opposite of what the global warming faction warned us.
In 2007, while accepting his Nobel Prize for his global warming initiative, Al Gore made this striking prediction, “The North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff. It could be completely gone in summer in as little as seven years. Seven years from now.”
Al Gore could not have been more wrong.
However, despite this clear evidence that the temperatures are not increasing, the global warming hysteria only seems to be increasing.
For example: President Obama himself tweeted on May 16, 2014: “97% of scientists agree: climate change is real, man-made and dangerous.” John Kerry, Al Gore, and a host of others have championed this statistic.
Since then, it has become clear that this statistic was inaccurate.
The Wall Street Journal went as far as to say, “The assertion that 97% of scientists believe that climate change is a man-made, urgent problem is a fiction.” Forbes headlined “Global Warming Alarmists Caught Doctoring ’97% Consensus’ Claims.”
Come to find out, the study President Obama was citing was botched from the start.
A host of other problems for the global warming crowd are emerging, such as . . .
It is becoming harder and harder for the global warming community to ignore some of the scientific data that show the Earth is not getting warmer . . . instead, the world is getting cooler.
Which makes one wonder — why are we still spending $22 billion a year on global warming initiatives, and where is the money going? (Click Here to Read a Controversial Report on This Topic.)
Suggested Reading for You: A former White House adviser and NASA consultant reveals startling proof that the global warming faction is hiding the truth . . . and gets attacked. Click Here.
© 2015 Newsmax Finance. All rights reserved.
Some facts from the past. From several years past we have a weather report that could have been this years weather report. No changes at all. Then some conversations from Australia where it was stated that even the IPCC did not think there really was global warming.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/03/08/wheres_global_warming/
Where's global warming?
By Jeff Jacoby
Globe Columnist / March 8, 2009
<Clip>
The United States has shivered through an unusually severe winter, with snow falling in such unlikely destinations as New Orleans, Las Vegas, Alabama, and Georgia. On Dec. 25, every Canadian province woke up to a white Christmas, something that hadn't happened in 37 years. Earlier this year, Europe was gripped by such a killing cold wave that trains were shut down in the French Riviera and chimpanzees in the Rome Zoo had to be plied with hot tea. Last week, satellite data showed three of the Great Lakes - Erie, Superior, and Huron - almost completely frozen over. In Washington, D.C., what was supposed to be a massive rally against global warming was upstaged by the heaviest snowfall of the season, which paralyzed the capital.
<Clip>
....................................
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html
Climate facts to warm to
Christopher Pearson | March 22, 2008
CATASTROPHIC predictions of global warming usually conjure with the notion of a tipping point, a point of no return.
Last Monday - on ABC Radio National, of all places - there was a tipping point of a different kind in the debate on climate change. It was a remarkable interview involving the co-host of Counterpoint, Michael Duffy and Jennifer Marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of Melbourne-based think tank the Institute of Public Affairs. Anyone in public life who takes a position on the greenhouse gas hypothesis will ignore it at their peril.
Duffy asked Marohasy: "Is the Earth stillwarming?"
She replied: "No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not what you'd expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years."
Duffy: "Is this a matter of any controversy?"
Marohasy: "Actually, no. The head of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has actually acknowledged it. He talks about the apparent plateau in temperatures so far this century. So he recognises that in this century, over the past eight years, temperatures have plateaued ... This is not what you'd expect, as I said, because if carbon dioxide is driving temperature then you'd expect that, given carbon dioxide levels have been continuing to increase, temperatures should be going up ... So (it's) very unexpected, not something that's being discussed. It should be being discussed, though, because it's very significant."
.......................
Now for some current reports. Start with Nov 2014.
http://www.newsmax.com/MKTNews/global-warming-hoax-facts/2014/10/17/id/601458/
[h=1]New Reports: There Is No Global Warming[/h]
Saturday, 07 Mar 2015 12:06 PM
The liberal media machine has spent decades bulldozing anyone who tells you global warming is a sham.
They even came up with a clever little title — “deniers.”
Every time a heat wave hits, every time a picture of a lone polar bear gets taken . . . the left pounds the table for environmental reform, more policy, more money to combat climate change. But how much has the world really warmed?
Their message is simple: Get on the man-made global warming bandwagon . . . or you’re just ignorant.
But how much has the world really warmed?
It’s an important question, considering the U.S. government spends $22 billion a year to fight the global warming crisis (twice as much as it spends protecting our border).
To put that in perspective, that is $41,856 every minute going to global warming initiatives.
[h=2]But that's just the tip of a gargantuan iceberg.[/h]
According to Forbes columnist Larry Bell, the ripple effect of global warming initiatives actually costs Americans $1.75 trillion . . . every year.
That's three times larger than the entire U.S. federal budget deficit.
So, has anyone stopped to ask . . . how much has the globe actually warmed?
Well, we asked, and what we found was striking.
According to NASA’s own data via Remote Sensing Systems(RSS), the world has warmed a mere .36 degrees Fahrenheit over the last 35 years (they started measuring the data in 1979).
Hardly anything to panic about; however, that does mean the world is warmer, right?
The problem with that argument is that we experienced the bulk of that warming between 1979 and 1998 . . . since then, we’ve actually had temperatures DROPPING!
As can be seen in this chart, we haven’t seen any global warming for 17 years.
Weakening the global warming argument is data showing that the North Polar ice cap is increasing in size. Recent satellite images from NASA actually reflect an increase of 43% to 63%.
This is quite the opposite of what the global warming faction warned us.
In 2007, while accepting his Nobel Prize for his global warming initiative, Al Gore made this striking prediction, “The North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff. It could be completely gone in summer in as little as seven years. Seven years from now.”
Al Gore could not have been more wrong.
However, despite this clear evidence that the temperatures are not increasing, the global warming hysteria only seems to be increasing.
For example: President Obama himself tweeted on May 16, 2014: “97% of scientists agree: climate change is real, man-made and dangerous.” John Kerry, Al Gore, and a host of others have championed this statistic.
Since then, it has become clear that this statistic was inaccurate.
The Wall Street Journal went as far as to say, “The assertion that 97% of scientists believe that climate change is a man-made, urgent problem is a fiction.” Forbes headlined “Global Warming Alarmists Caught Doctoring ’97% Consensus’ Claims.”
Come to find out, the study President Obama was citing was botched from the start.
A host of other problems for the global warming crowd are emerging, such as . . .
- Leaked emails from global warming scientists state that the Earth is not warming, such as this one from Kevin Trenberth that states, “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty we can’t.”
- Claude Allegre, the founding father of the man-made global warming ethos, recently renounced his position that man has caused warming.
- Proof is emerging that Al Gore and even President Obama have financially benefited from fueling the global warming hysteria (click here for an internal report on this).
It is becoming harder and harder for the global warming community to ignore some of the scientific data that show the Earth is not getting warmer . . . instead, the world is getting cooler.
Which makes one wonder — why are we still spending $22 billion a year on global warming initiatives, and where is the money going? (Click Here to Read a Controversial Report on This Topic.)
Suggested Reading for You: A former White House adviser and NASA consultant reveals startling proof that the global warming faction is hiding the truth . . . and gets attacked. Click Here.
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