Is This Really Necessary? Woke Disclaimer On Box.

Remy

Remy

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I'm not stupid, things this country has done are egregious. But how does this help anyone? I got these crackers at the Grocery Outlet this morning. Didn't notice the disclaimer on the bottom of the box, only read the ingredients. Side note: The crackers are pretty good and were only $1.99. They get some off brands at Grocery Outlet sometimes. Never know what you will find.

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But who does it benefit, not the souls that once lived on this land. We're all here no matter how we got here. I've looked at places and wondered what it was like hundreds of years ago. I don't know if anyone else has. But the damage is done and this just seems self serving.
 
It might have been more informative to a customer to say where the tribe was located.

Most places on the globe have been taken over or ceded to some other controlling group. That box is going to need to be bigger to accomodate naming all of those groups, governments, peoples, etc.
 
Owlivia said:
Most places on the globe have been taken over or ceded to some other controlling group.
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You make a good point, the Europeans amongst us would need to go back to the Neanderthals.

The difference is that the displacement of Native Americans by Europeans is more recent and lingering problems remain. I support putting a stop to violent or forceful displacement of others, but that would be a significant change in human history.
 
Remy said:
But who does it benefit, not the souls that once lived on this land. We're all here no matter how we got here. I've looked at places and wondered what it was like hundreds of years ago. I don't know if anyone else has. But the damage is done and this just seems self serving.
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Really? My ancestors are long gone, but I do enjoy giving them the occasional honorable mention. How is that self-serving? And it sure does nothing for them, being dead and all....
 
It’s a standard statement to thank whatever unceded land someone is standing on when they give a speech or presentation, anywhere in Canada.

the Maritimes, nearly all of British Columbia and a large swath of eastern Ontario and Quebec, which includes Ottawa, sit on territories that were never signed away by the Indigenous people who inhabited them before Europeans settled in North America. In other words, this land was stolen.
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Source: https://www.nationalobserver.com/20...t-we-mean-when-we-say-indigenous-land-unceded
 
In the beginning there was nothing. Science has it that humanity began in Africa and migrated from there. The migration continues to this day. Those that despise Columbus and tear down his statues should find something else to occupy their time.
 
oldaunt said:
Really? My ancestors are long gone, but I do enjoy giving them the occasional honorable mention. How is that self-serving? And it sure does nothing for them, being dead and all....
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Those are YOUR ancestors. A lot of people quietly acknowledge and realize things without a bunch of self serving virtue signaling. While perhaps this could make a person here or there consider, and I'd say that's probably rarely. Perhaps the people who need to think of this are probably buying cheese crackers, not these.
 
Harry Le Hermit said:
Sales Gimmick?
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C50 said:
Maybe part of a leagle settlement? As in we won't give the land back but we will acknowledge your tribe originally inhabited the land.
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I don't think so. I'm going to guess that just about every city, business, town, neighborhood is sitting on land that people may have used hundreds of years ago. I've wondered why the Navaho Nation is so big? Because that land wasn't so desirable? Perhaps someone knows more.

I will admit, I don't like stuff like this. It seems like it's just drawing attention to themselves and seems pretentious.
 
Remy said:
Those are YOUR ancestors. A lot of people quietly acknowledge and realize things without a bunch of self serving virtue signaling. While perhaps this could make a person here or there consider, and I'd say that's probably rarely. Perhaps the people who need to think of this are probably buying cheese crackers, not these.
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Yes, MY ancestors are gone. I KNOW who they are.
 
i read the ingredients and nutritional content labels on packages. (BTW--when comparing products nutritionally don't forget to look at what they list as serving size--sometimes the sugar and fats per serving look smaller than on another product because they are calling a much smaller quantity a 'serving'.) Anything else i basically perceive as 'advertising', enticement and kind of ignore.

i'm much more concerned by the Cautions on electrical and commercial cleaning products that when they first started multiplying felt kind of insulting but when you consider those warnings are there to protect the company from lawsuits and odds are somebody somewhere has done the dangerously dumb thing? Ok they're needed, but the idea of how ignorance has proliferated over the decades is disheartening if not scary.
 
Remy said:
... I've wondered why the Navaho Nation is so big? Because that land wasn't so desirable? Perhaps someone knows more.
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Not just the undesirability of the land but cultural factors. Some of which sadly may be fading. The article i've linked says many younger Navajos aren't fluent in their native language, while 63larger numbers of older generations are. Language is important to all cultures---in part because in some cultures their are 'concepts' that can be expressed with one sometimes two words that we need a couple of sentences to describe in English. (The Japanese have several, and i suspect many indigenous groups from First Nations/Native Americans to Aborigines in Australia have some such concepts too.)

My Veterinarian often serves as a 'governor' on board of his tribe's Pueblo. We had an interesting discussion a few years back about the elders realizing it was important to teach the younger ones the language because it is so tied to cultural values.

https://www.livescience.com/17086-navajo-tribal-fate-jared-diamond.html
 
feywon said:
Not just the undesirability of the land but cultural factors. Some of which sadly may be fading. The article says many younger Navajos are fluent in their native language, while at larger numbers of older generations are. Language is important to all cultures---in part because in some cultures their are 'concepts' that can be expressed with one sometimes two words that we need a couple of sentences to describe in English. (The Japanese have several, and i suspect many indigenous groups from First Nations/Native Americans to Aborigines in Australia have some such concepts too.)

My Veterinarian of serves as 'governor' on board of his tribe's Pueblo. We had an interesting discussion a few years back about the elders realizing it was important to teach the younger ones the language because it is so tied to cultural values.
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It's so sad that native languages have been lost. So much culture also. I have watched a show on PBS that they are working to teach the children the native language of their tribe. I can only hope for their success.
 
feywon said:
i read the ingredients and nutritional content labels on packages. (BTW--when comparing products nutritionally don't forget to look at what they list as serving size--sometimes the sugar and fats per serving look smaller than on another product because they are calling a much smaller quantity a 'serving'.) Anything else i basically perceive as 'advertising', enticement and kind of ignore.

i'm much more concerned by the Cautions on electrical and commercial cleaning products that when they first started multiplying felt kind of insulting but when you consider those warnings are there to protect the company from lawsuits and odds are somebody somewhere has done the dangerously dumb thing? Ok they're needed, but the idea of how ignorance has proliferated over the decades is disheartening if not scary.
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I read labels mostly for ingredients I have to admit. Also those "may contain" warnings are really for people with severe allergies when manufacturing equipment may be used for something that contains dairy and eggs and something that doesn't. Or nuts. Even though the equipment is cleaned, if someone has a severe allergy, then any trace could be a problem and the company is putting this disclaimer to protect themselves.

I don't use any toxic type cleaners. I remember years ago there was an issue in the news. Free packages of lemon dish soap was sent to homes. Lemons on the container. There were people who made lemonade out of it.
 
We could do a whole thread about things on packaging that are irritating---remember when NOT putting sugar in sodas was a selling point. Then when the problems with artificial sweeteners became more known (The FDA had taken the word of the Manufacturers of the artificial ones that they were 'safe' based on studies --they themselves did--not independent testers.) They made 'Now with REAL sugar' a selling point.
'Gluten free' labels on products that actually never had any gluten to begin with? And turns out the uptick in gluten intolerance in USA is more likely intolerance to pesticides used on our wheat fields...not the food itself. The rates are lower in Europe where the offending pesticides have long been banned. And American tourists have reported that despite having serious issues here, they could eat all the bread, rolls, pastries they wanted while in Europe--with only caloric issues not gluten intolerance symptoms.

The list is endless.
 

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