Another Plane Crash - Airbus Over French Alps

I wondered the same as you SB...although Plane travel is supposedly the safest mode of transport, and this particular airline has an excellent track record for safety, there does seem to be an inordinate amount of plane crashes lately :( They have found the remains and the debris of the plane in the Alps now...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ldorf-francois-hollande-Lufthansa-4U9525.html

Sometimes Pilot error is to blame in various ways for example did anyone see this in the news the other day?

Dozens of military personnel were injured when an RAF transport plane on its way to Afghanistan nose-dived 4,400ft after the captain's camera became lodged alongside the aircraft's joystick.
The Voyager jet was around five hours into its journey from Brize Norton to Camp Bastion when the Nikon camera, used by the captain to take photographs on board, got stuck between the arm rest and the side-stick controller when his seat moved forward.
In 27 seconds of chaos, the plane lost 4,400ft in altitude, throwing passengers and crew without seatbelts towards the ceiling, injuring 33 of those on board, while one traumatised passenger was hospitalised with stress, according to the report into the incident.




 

There have been more crashes lately, but in relation to the number of flights every day it is still much safer than being in a car.
 
I was surprised to learn about this. The Airbus A-320 is a really nice plane that has been a great seller for Airbus and is used for short to medium range flights. Personally, I have never flown or been the pilot of an A-320, but I have flown in them as a passenger. Flying in the mountains during cold conditions, I don't know, there are just too many variable to bring a plane down. Maybe ice on the TCAS sensors, Autopilot failure, just too many things come to mind. Hopefully, they will release the cockpit voice recorder tape (CVR) for the public to hear. Sometimes, the pilot will say what's going on with the plane before the collision.

In the meantime, I will say a prayer for those that lost family and loved ones and pray for safety in the skies.
 
oldman,
This plane that crash the A-320 is 25 years old and,like anything else things wear out. We'll have to wait and see what those black boxes tell us.
 
QuickSilver said:
Note to self..... stay off airplanes..
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You have a much bigger chance of winning the lottery than being in a plane crash. And you are much more likely to die in a car crash. Or get struck by lightning. I don't worry one bit about being in a plane crash although I do as I'm told and find out where the nearest exit is.

I was on 10 planes last year. Still here.
 
Ameriscot said:
You have a much bigger chance of winning the lottery than being in a plane crash. And you are much more likely to die in a car crash. Or get struck by lightning. I don't worry one bit about being in a plane crash although I do as I'm told and find out where the nearest exit is.

I was on 10 planes last year. Still here.
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However, the survivability of a car crash is much greater...
 
The initial reports about this crash seem eerily similar to the Malaysian airliner disappearance last year. With all the safety features in today's airliners, I cannot understand how a airliner can just fly into "oblivion", without multiple emergency transmissions from the crew, etc. It's far too early to know what happened, but something sure doesn't sound right based upon the reports so far.
 
I like this one as well:

"If you take one flight a day, you would on average need to fly every day for 55,000 years before being involved in a fatal crash," M.I.T's Sloan School Statistician Arnold Barnett told ABC News.
 
Don M. said:
The initial reports about this crash seem eerily similar to the Malaysian airliner disappearance last year. With all the safety features in today's airliners, I cannot understand how a airliner can just fly into "oblivion", without multiple emergency transmissions from the crew, etc. It's far too early to know what happened, but something sure doesn't sound right based upon the reports so far.
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No, this has experts baffled. No Mayday call. They found one of the black boxes.
 
Ameriscot said:
I like this one as well:

"If you take one flight a day, you would on average need to fly every day for 55,000 years before being involved in a fatal crash," M.I.T's Sloan School Statistician Arnold Barnett told ABC News.
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Tell that to the families of the folks on those planes..
 
Ameriscot said:
Not really fair, QS. I was replying to your comment that you wouldn't fly (because you fear you'd crash).

I have huge sympathy for those families.
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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you didn't. What I meant was that sure.. the number of deaths by plane are lower that that of car crashes.. but the large amount of people killed at one time and the absolute near insurvivability of it makes the fact that if you are in that one in a million flights that crashes.. you are going to die.. no if ands or buts..
 
I always think that although a car crash is far and away much more likely, you would only have seconds to realise what happened, whereas you have several minutes or more of total terror as the plane goes down.
 
QuickSilver said:
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you didn't. What I meant was that sure.. the number of deaths by plane are lower that that of car crashes.. but the large amount of people killed at one time and the absolute near insurvivability of it makes the fact that if you are in that one in a million flights that crashes.. you are going to die.. no if ands or buts..
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Not true.

More than 95 percent of the airplane passengers involved in a crash survive, according to the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB).
 
oakapple said:
I always think that although a car crash is far and away much more likely, you would only have seconds to realise what happened, whereas you have several minutes or more of total terror as the plane goes down.
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...and in this particular plane crash apparently it was losing height for a whole 8 minutes...that's a horribly long time to know that you're going to crash , I can't even begin to imagine the terror the passengers ( mainly children) must have felt, God bless their souls.
 
hollydolly said:
...and in this particular plane crash apparently it was losing height for a whole 8 minutes...that's a horribly long time to know that you're going to crash , I can't even begin to imagine the terror the passengers ( mainly children) must have felt, God bless their souls.
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Me either! Can't even imagine the horror of knowing.
 
I've got a bad feeling about this crash. The plane appears to have gone into a long, and steady descent, with no apparent communications with the crew. That tells me that they were not able to continue piloting this aircraft. It's probably to early to speculate about this being a "hostile" act...but nothing else seems to make sense.
 
Don M. said:
I've got a bad feeling about this crash. The plane appears to have gone into a long, and steady descent, with no apparent communications with the crew. That tells me that they were not able to continue piloting this aircraft. It's probably to early to speculate about this being a "hostile" act...but nothing else seems to make sense.
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It is strange the pilots didn't report what was happening, but they speculate it probably wasn't a hostile act. It definitely didn't fall like a bomb had exploded.
 
I doubt that a bomb was involved...the plane descended in far too orderly a fashion. I just cannot visualize a crew being unable to correct such a descent....unless they were no longer able to act. This will get Very Interesting.
 
Don M. said:
I doubt that a bomb was involved...the plane descended in far too orderly a fashion. I just cannot visualize a crew being unable to correct such a descent....unless they were no longer able to act. This will get Very Interesting.
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There have been planes who descended rapidly for whatever reason and recovered. I've watched a lot of the Air Crash Investigation programmes that explain how they figure out the reasons for a crash or near crash. And rapid descent has occurred on a couple of them, but I can't recall the reasons now.
 

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