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In my experience ATVs tumble way more often than motorcycles. The turning ratio and handle-ability doesn't even compare, and once they start going wheels over wheels, the momentum only increases. Two wheels will lay down pretty quickly, 4 wheels don't.
"Laying down" is when someone doesn't have a clue how to handle the front brake. Laying down was before bikes had front brakes. And that means functional ones like the jap bikes had.

In 65 years of riding the only time I "laid" down a bike was I had my first bike, a '74 Harley. A bunch of older bikers adopted the 15 year-old and taught him how to lay down a bike. I learned the correct way to stop a bike with a combination of front and rear brakes after buying my first Japanese bike. The brakes on those bikes were the real thing.

To my surprise the hydraulic front brakes worked amazingly well. I began training my self to using both brakes to stop. It took a while, but I finally could brake down in an incredibly short distance from even a hundred mph. A cycle magazine which did bike reviews usually would post the distance their testers could stop each bike in. Those guys were pros, and I damn well almost equaled them in braking time and speed.

At time during rides, I would suddenly think of practicing. Almost immediately I'd scan ahead for dirt, pebbles or what have you in the road. If you do a quick stop in that stuff, you'll slide and possibly dump the bike. Anyway, after a split second of seeing the road clean and safe, I did the simultaneous braking to stop. Even in the city I could practice on side streets, or late at night after the stores closed in a mini mall and the parking lot was empty.

This discipline of much practicing saved the life of me and my daughter one day when we lived in Chicago. An elderly woman with blue tinged hair pulled out from her parking space at the curb into an immediate U turn right in front of us. Luckily I was going pretty much the slower city speed limit. In the middle of her U turn she saw us and froze and braked, totally blocking us with the length of her auto as she sat right in the middle of the street.

In a micro second I judged the closeness to the car and our speed would not allow veering around her. I hit the brakes just as I had always practiced. Long story short, while the woman stared in fright at us, the bike stopped before hitting her car. With what was years of practice at that time, the distance my front wheel had stopped from her door was about only about a foot or two.

End point to make - a few moments after the stop, I raised my helmet shield and explained to the woman through her open windows that had she done that to almost anyone else she probably would have seriously injured them or killed them. It was then I felt my daughter patting my shoulder, telling me to look behind us. On the sidewalk were about a half dozen teenaged boys who were clapping and exclaiming some praise or other. They had known we were going to go into that car and maybe be killed. They couldn't believe the stop I had made.

At least 90 percent of bikers don't have a clue how to do a life saving brake. That's why you usually see the streak of rubber from the rear tire at these accidents. The ignorant biker locks his rear wheel and the bike begins to slide and go over on its side. Who knows where the biker ends up after the bike is laid over.

Believe it or not, the vast majority of bikers are afraid of that front brake except maybe for a slow stop at a street light. They're afraid of locking the front wheel. It takes practice to balance the braking between front and rear. The only way that talent comes is by practice. It has to get etched in your skull by practice so it's automatic when needed.

Oops! I just thought of one time I did lay down a bike. I had screwed up didn't get the kickstand all the way up. It had come back down to it's lowered position. I was going up what was about a three-story hill. There was a small guardrail to my right. It was only about a foot or two high. I decided I was riding too close to it. I flipped the bike a bit to the left. The kickstand hit the road at about the speed I was going, maybe about fifty or so. The reaction jerked the bike hard right toward the guard rail. I knew i was about to hit the damn guard rail and fly over the bars and down to the street below. I flung my body hard left, the bike followed, I lunged on the handlebars to turn the wheel left at a right angle. It worked. The bike slammed into the ground, and slid along the highway to a stop. My wife was on the back at the time. She went into me with such force, sending me against the handlebars, breaking a couple of my ribs.

That is the only time I laid the bike down.

The ride home was fun. We were a couple of hundred miles from home. The country roads weren't too bad. I only had to make an occasional stop on those roads. Each stop, no matter how slowly done, sent my body a bit forward, compressing the busted ribs. What I had waiting for me in the city on the way home was stop after stop at lights and stop signs. Yeah, of course I cried. You would have, too.

You think that ends the story? Wrong. I didn't ride for more than a month until those ribs healed enough. After the first ride when healed, I was carrying stuff from the saddlebags to the house, I tripped in the yard and broke a rib on the other side. Have you ever seen a sixty-year-old sit right down in the muck among tomato plants and cry?

How in the hell did we get from ATVs to this?
 

Gave up the Suzuki DR-350 back '05-'06, guess it was. Didn't feel too old-62 then. Riding a conversion off-road bike on Houston streets was definitely detrimental to one's health and life expectancy.

Still an AMA member and watch flat track and desert racing on streaming. Lately, been wanting to ride again at 79. Seriously looking into a Honda 125. Something I can pick up when it drops me. Still carry 'MC' (motorcycle operator) designation on my driver license. Sharon says "No way, Jose" quite adamantly.

So, for me, its RC cars in the back yard to re-live my glory days. Always have that love of bikes though. It gets in one's DNA. In my last moments, though, it's the Harley 175 two-stroke that'll get my thoughts.
 
In my experience ATVs tumble way more often than motorcycles. The turning ratio and handle-ability doesn't even compare, and once they start going wheels over wheels, the momentum only increases. Two wheels will lay down pretty quickly, 4 wheels don't.
"Laying down" is when someone doesn't have a clue how to handle the front brake. Laying down was before bikes had front brakes. And that means functional ones like the jap bikes had.

In 65 years of riding the only time I "laid" down a bike was I had my first bike, a '74 Harley. A bunch of older bikers adopted the 15 year-old and taught him how to lay down a bike. I learned the correct way to stop a bike with a combination of front and rear brakes after buying my first Japanese bike. The brakes on those bikes were the real thing.

To my surprise the hydraulic front brakes worked amazingly well. I began training my self to using both brakes to stop. It took a while, but I finally could brake down in an incredibly short distance from even a hundred mph. A cycle magazine which did bike reviews usually would post the distance their testers could stop each bike in. Those guys were pros, and I damn well almost equaled them in braking time and speed.

At time during rides, I would suddenly think of practicing. Almost immediately I'd scan ahead for dirt, pebbles or what have you in the road. If you do a quick stop in that stuff, you'll slide and possibly dump the bike. Anyway, after a split second of seeing the road clean and safe, I did the simultaneous braking to stop. Even in the city I could practice on side streets, or late at night after the stores closed in a mini mall and the parking lot was empty.

This discipline of much practicing saved the life of me and my daughter one day when we lived in Chicago. An elderly woman with blue tinged hair pulled out from her parking space at the curb into an immediate U turn right in front of us. Luckily I was going pretty much the slower city speed limit. In the middle of her U turn she saw us and froze and braked, totally blocking us with the length of her auto as she sat right in the middle of the street.

In a micro second I judged the closeness to the car and our speed would not allow veering around her. I hit the brakes just as I had always practiced. Long story short, while the woman stared in fright at us, the bike stopped before hitting her car. With what was years of practice at that time, the distance my front wheel had stopped from her door was about only about a foot or two.

End point to make - a few moments after the stop, I raised my helmet shield and explained to the woman through her open windows that had she done that to almost anyone else she probably would have seriously injured them or killed them. It was then I felt my daughter patting my shoulder, telling me to look behind us. On the sidewalk were about a half dozen teenaged boys who were clapping and exclaiming some praise or other. They had known we were going to go into that car and maybe be killed. They couldn't believe the stop I had made.

At least 90 percent of bikers don't have a clue how to do a life saving brake. That's why you usually see the streak of rubber from the rear tire at these accidents. The ignorant biker locks his rear wheel and the bike begins to slide and go over on its side. Who knows where the biker ends up after the bike is laid over.

Believe it or not, the vast majority of bikers are afraid of that front brake except maybe for a slow stop at a street light. They're afraid of locking the front wheel. It takes practice to balance the braking between front and rear. The only way that talent comes is by practice. It has to get etched in your skull by practice so it's automatic when needed.

Oops! I just thought of one time I did lay down a bike. I had screwed up didn't get the kickstand all the way up. It had come back down to it's lowered position. I was going up what was about a three-story hill. There was a small guardrail to my right. It was only about a foot or two high. I decided I was riding too close to it. I flipped the bike a bit to the left. The kickstand hit the road at about the speed I was going, maybe about fifty or so. The reaction jerked the bike hard right toward the guard rail. I knew i was about to hit the damn guard rail and fly over the bars and down to the street below. I flung my body hard left, the bike followed, I lunged on the handlebars to turn the wheel left at a right angle. It worked. The bike slammed into the ground, and slid along the highway to a stop. My wife was on the back at the time. She went into me with such force, sending me against the handlebars, breaking a couple of my ribs.

That is the only time I laid the bike down.

The ride home was fun. We were a couple of hundred miles from home. The country roads weren't too bad. I only had to make an occasional stop on those roads. Each stop, no matter how slowly done, sent my body a bit forward, compressing the busted ribs. What I had waiting for me in the city on the way home was stop after stop at lights and stop signs. Yeah, of course I cried. You would have, too.

You think that ends the story? Wrong. I didn't ride for more than a month until those ribs healed enough. After the first ride when healed, I was carrying stuff from the saddlebags to the house, I tripped in the yard and broke a rib on the other side. Have you ever seen a sixty-year-old sit right down in the muck among tomato plants and cry?

How in the hell did we get from ATVs to this?
Gave up the Suzuki DR-350 back '05-'06, guess it was. Didn't feel too old-62 then. Riding a conversion off-road bike on Houston streets was definitely detrimental to one's health and life expectancy.

Still an AMA member and watch flat track and desert racing on streaming. Lately, been wanting to ride again at 79. Seriously looking into a Honda 125. Something I can pick up when it drops me. Still carry 'MC' (motorcycle operator) designation on my driver license. Sharon says "No way, Jose" quite adamantly.

So, for me, its RC cars in the back yard to re-live my glory days. Always have that love of bikes though. It gets in one's DNA.
The problem ain't what you "handle" or pickup. It's that on those cheaper, smaller bikes the brakes probably ain't worth a dang. Whether you careful or not, there are times you just might have to stop in a big hurry. If the bike can't do it, you're going down for a concrete lunch.

I will never let my motorcycle permit die. I don't care if I live to one-hundred and have to renew my drivers license. The bike permit stays!

I know I was born with bike DNA. When about four or five, I was already leaving the block on my trike. I would ride many blocks from home. When I got a two-wheeler at 7, I was gone. I rode miles through the city on it.

I truly believe that I was born a biker. I just had to get big enough to get one.😊
 

When I was diagnosed with AMD, I decided discretion was the better paet of valor and gave up my motorcycle at 81. I loved my motorcycle and literally traveled all over the USA and the world by motorcycle. I really missed it.
 

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When I was diagnosed with AMD, I decided discretion was the better paet of valor and gave up my motorcycle at 81. I loved my motorcycle and literally traveled all over the USA and the world by motorcycle. I really missed it.
My one regret in life was that we never got to travel around the entire U.S. We had 6 mutts, and the one time we placed them in a shelter for a week, it took them a couple of months to recover from the experience. They were family and treated as such. The were spoiled rotten, touched and spoken to a hundred times a day. They could not take take such separation as we had put them through in that kennel. At home they had a few acres of fenced yard to romp around in. In the vet's kennel they lived in a cage, separated even from one another. So, after that experience we could only go away for a short weekend while the grown up kids would come over and take care of them. It's all a matter of precedence. What was more important to us was them rather than us roving America for a week or two every now and then.

As far as your choice to get off the bikes, I had to do the same. Getting killed because your riding adequacy was no longer at peak was one thing. But how would you like to spend your last years crippled and totally bedridden? The latter could easily happen. Nothing, not even an extended period of riding was worth taking that chance.

I almost forgot to mention that I also have macular degeneration. I have had 3 needle injections so far and it has helped.
 
"Laying down" is when someone doesn't have a clue how to handle the front brake. Laying down was before bikes had front brakes. And that means functional ones like the jap bikes had.
I was talking about when it lays down but you're not the one who laid it down.

I was talking about what a bike will usually do in an accident that an ATV won't.

A bike will usually wind up on it's side. An ATV will usually land either on it's wheels or upside down. And, of course, it depends on the accident. End over end tumbles are a different story.

And where ATVs came into the conversation is where Chet said "How about an ATV if ridden reasonably, as long as you have the acreage?"
 
I was talking about when it lays down but you're not the one who laid it down.

I was talking about what a bike will usually do in an accident that an ATV won't.

A bike will usually wind up on it's side. An ATV will usually land either on it's wheels or upside down. And, of course, it depends on the accident. End over end tumbles are a different story.

And where ATVs came into the conversation is where Chet said "How about an ATV if ridden reasonably, as long as you have the acreage?"
I realized what you were saying. You gotta remember, we're talking - at least I am - to all the readers of a
post. I sometimes have the habit of using the generalized pronoun "you" when actually referring in general to anyone.

As for ATV and 3-wheelers, all I know about them is what I've been told by others. Never got near either one.
 
Wife got to where she could no longer hold a bike up, so, we got a trike for her. Now, she wants me to sell my Heritage and either ride with her, or get another trike. What say you? I'm leaning toward my own trike, but, she say's I'm over compensating. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:


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