Seniors that are Preppers?

Disgustedman said:
Tank of nitrogen.

30 seconds you're unconscious
4 min brain dying (but you're unconscious)
15 minutes, you're dead.
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It is not that easy, even if you can get the tank. You have to be able to have the strength to put your head in bag, sealed around you neck, turn it on. Then, in those 30 seconds you are fighting for oxygen, the normal human response is tear off that bag. It is not an easy out by any means. If this is something you think about, you need a plan B. Most I have heard off that have done this required assistance. Do you want to put that anyone else, that they helped you take your life.

I am not saying I am against the choice to leave but how you do it, who must be involved is a whole different ball game. I know states out there it is allowed in certain circumstances. A doctor provides the drugs needed in the case of terminal painful conditions, if the patients chose it they have the support of the family. I am saying if I make the decision to leave if I am not ill, I would not ask anyone to help or be implicated in anyway. Does that make sense?
 
Blessed said:
It is not that easy, even if you can get the tank. You have to be able to have the strength to put your head in bag, sealed around you neck, turn it on. Then, in those 30 seconds you are fighting for oxygen, the normal human response is tear off that bag. It is not an easy out by any means. If this is something you think about, you need a plan B. Most I have heard off that have done this required assistance. Do you want to put that anyone else, that they helped you take your life.

I am not saying I am against the choice to leave but how you do it, who must be involved is a whole different ball game. I know states out there it is allowed in certain circumstances. A doctor provides the drugs needed in the case of terminal painful conditions, if the patients chose it they have the support of the family. I am saying if I make the decision to leave if I am not ill, I would not ask anyone to help or be implicated in anyway. Does that make sense?
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For those that have the fortitude and determination to take the steps you described with nitrogen, that alone validates the level of their motivation, doesn't it?
 
hollydolly said:
@Trish ..I keep my domestic batteries in this handy case..

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...I use a lot , because recently due to the high price of energy.. I'm using the magnetic motion sensor lights all the way up my stairs.. ( they can also be charged using USB).. the batteries last for ages, and means I don't have to use the foyer, or upstairs lights.... I've even got sensor lights in the Kitchen , toilet , and the other bedrooms, so if I'm just popping in for a minute I don't need to put the lights on and off ..so the need was great for a Battery storage Case..
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The magnetic motion sensor lights sound like a great idea! I also like the way you have the batteries stored. I just keep them in a drawer.
 
Sawfish said:
For those that have the fortitude and determination to take the steps you described with nitrogen, that alone validates the level of their motivation, doesn't it?
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I am not doubting the motivation or determination, I am just saying it is not as easy as people think. If everything was easy in life or death, none of us would have any kind of suffering. We know that is not true. Most of us work hard for all things, health, wealth, family etc. It does not go to plan.
 
Blessed said:
I am not doubting the motivation or determination, I am just saying it is not as easy as people think. If everything was easy in life or death, none of us would have any kind of suffering. We know that is not true. Most of us work hard for all things, health, wealth, family etc. It does not go to plan.
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I realize that.

I live in Oregon, a state with physician assisted suicide. I suspect that when it gets right down to it, your instincts to live will be very tough to put down. I was merely recognizing this and extending it to see that those who could go thru with it unaided, really, really wanted out.

You get up there in age, feel the air going out of every aspect of your physical health--maybe mental, too--with nothing you can do to abate it, and you start giving this a lot of thought.

I mean, the reason that many gun suicides put the muzzle in their mouth is that it tends to lock the muzzle in place at the last instant, rather than flinch away and do an incomplete job if you simply point at your temple.
 
Sawfish said:
I realize that.

I live in Oregon, a state with physician assisted suicide. I suspect that when it gets right down to it, your instincts to live will be very tough to put down. I was merely recognizing this and extending it to see that those who could go thru with it unaided, really, really wanted out.

You get up there in age, feel the air going out of every aspect of your physical health--maybe mental, too--with nothing you can do to abate it, and you start giving this a lot of thought.

I mean, the reason that many gun suicides put the muzzle in their mouth is that it tends to lock the muzzle in place at the last instant, rather than flinch away and do an incomplete job if you simply point at your temple.
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Trust me, if someone chose that in old age, suffering from physical health issues that they can not tolerate, not just terminal, that should be their choice. If there are mental problems, I think we can helped thruough that. I was responding to a comment made that, IMO, did not make sense, not a well thought out solution for anyone at all.
 
Blessed said:
Trust me, if someone chose that in old age, suffering from physical health issues that they can not tolerate, not just terminal, that should be their choice. If there are mental problems, I think we can helped thruough that. I was responding to a comment made that, IMO, did not make sense, not a well thought out solution for anyone at all.
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I think the comment was made with a tone of assuredness that was not warranted.

But I never believe anyone, anyway, so... ;)
 
Sawfish said:
I think the comment was made with a tone of assuredness that was not warranted.

But I never believe anyone, anyway, so... ;)
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I appreciate that, but I have seen a documentary that has shown this as a method to try. That is why I say it is not so easy, maybe not the best plan as most are unsuccesful or needed the help of someone to leave this world in that manner. I do not think is is wise to suggest what someone might do if they wanted to take their life. The everlasting guilt, the pain it causes not only in the attempt or conclusion to the person.

It has a great effect on those who hold this person dear, family, friends, communities. It has far reaching tragedy beyond the death the person chose. Why, you may ask does she think about these things. I took care of my husband through a 5 year cancer battle. He was given 8 months, he got 5 years and one month.

He saw his son graduate from high school with honors. He got to see his son win state and national titles in marching band. He got to see him win at meets for cross country running and pole vaulting. Imagine how our son would feel if his Dad gave up, left him without seeing everything he could do, how hard he worked to make his Dad proud. We never gave up hope. I just do not want anyone to take their life unless it is no longer possible to carry on,.,there is always someone looking up to you... how to handle things when it gets hard. So, trust me, I am not assured of anything, I should not be here without my husband, I am sure of that.
 
@Sawfish, you stated I made a reply that was not warranted, an air of assuredness. I replied. My question is now, after my reply, do you understand where I am coming from?

I am not saying that it is wrong but that people need to stop and think, how will this change my legacy for future generations. It is not a decision that should be taken lightly. Certainly, if there is no other choice, I don't want anyone to suffer during the act they choose. So many try, then wind up still alive, but with more severe problems that are not only hard on them but there families as well. I hope that the decision to end one's life will be made available, under certain circumstances in our world. In the end, it comes down to the individual, the doctor and the families to all agree that it is the best course for all.

I hope you understand, I am not self assured. I do not say things lightly. I live in fear and anxiety everyday. I wish I could give you an example that could help you understand. I will try this one, you accidently drive on to a railway track, you can see the train coming but you can't get out of the car. You are locked in a car you can't escape, the train is coming, you hold your breath, waiting for impact. This is where I live every day. It is not pleasant.

The only time I have been without that terror is when I met my husband. We were both just fifteen years old. He promised he would keep me safe and he did. I lived a normal full life only because of him. Since he has passed, our parents have passed. The son grown and married with a family of his own. I am alone, now, I have to rely on my own determination to keep going. The fear, the terror has returned. I live with it everyday, even when I think it would be better to take my life, I know I will not. There are people that suffer so much more than I.

I do not know you well yet. I do not know if you are married, divorced, widowed. I do not yet know any of those things you have or what you have been through. I am just asking for you to reply, to accept I was not having a tone and I gave a response that is warranted from my expericience. Yes, my feelings were hurt, you have painted a picture of me that does not fit at all.
 
Blessed said:
@Sawfish, you stated I made a reply that was not warranted, an air of assuredness. I replied. My question is now, after my reply, do you understand where I am coming from?

I am not saying that it is wrong but that people need to stop and think, how will this change my legacy for future generations. It is not a decision that should be taken lightly. Certainly, if there is no other choice, I don't want anyone to suffer during the act they choose. So many try, then wind up still alive, but with more severe problems that are not only hard on them but there families as well. I hope that the decision to end one's life will be made available, under certain circumstances in our world. In the end, it comes down to the individual, the doctor and the families to all agree that it is the best course for all.

I hope you understand, I am not self assured. I do not say things lightly. I live in fear and anxiety everyday. I wish I could give you an example that could help you understand. I will try this one, you accidently drive on to a railway track, you can see the train coming but you can't get out of the car. You are locked in a car you can't escape, the train is coming, you hold your breath, waiting for impact. This is where I live every day. It is not pleasant.

The only time I have been without that terror is when I met my husband. We were both just fifteen years old. He promised he would keep me safe and he did. I lived a normal full life only because of him. Since he has passed, our parents have passed. The son grown and married with a family of his own. I am alone, now, I have to rely on my own determination to keep going. The fear, the terror has returned. I live with it everyday, even when I think it would be better to take my life, I know I will not. There are people that suffer so much more than I.

I do not know you well yet. I do not know if you are married, divorced, widowed. I do not yet know any of those things you have or what you have been through. I am just asking for you to reply, to accept I was not having a tone and I gave a response that is warranted from my expericience. Yes, my feelings were hurt, you have painted a picture of me that does not fit at all.
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I salute your bravery. You keep dragons in boxes, and joust with them every day. Folks, this is what courage looks like.šŸ¤—
 
Shalimar said:
I salute your bravery. You keep dragons in boxes, and joust with them every day. Folks, this is what courage looks like.šŸ¤—
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I am not brave, I am just trying to do the best I can. I'm just trying to be open and transparent here. My feelings may get hurt but I need to say something so people can understand me better. Thanks for understanding someone that comes from a place of anxiety. If we do not voice it, others will continue to suffer alone, without validation. I am done with that!!
 
Bonjour a tous....There's a Big difference between

Paranoia: A tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others

Precaution: A measure taken beforehand to prevent harm or secure good

Consider preparations for emergency, food, power, water, self defense, as low cost insurance. Its Like a seatbelt or fire extinguisher..., you hope its never never needed but you are very glad when the unthinkable happens and it IS suddenly needed!

In case of : Wildfire, Earthquake, war, riots, nuclear event, EMP attack or cyber attack, one can Expect impassible roads, no electric power, no water, gas, gasoline, no mobile towers or internet, no cash machines/banks acess, and no assistance from the govt for some days/weeks/months.

A few examples of reasonable preparations for long utility/food/power/comms outages:

Food/water/Sanitation: Various kits avail, cheaper and better to make your own. EG: toilet: 5 gal covered plastic buckets, lime, water source,

Medical: Your Prescription and OTC drugs 1mo..1 yr supply, First aid kits with tourniquet, blood clotting emergency drugs,

Economic: Cash, Au/Ag coins, valuables for barter.

POWER: I had connexion to 25 kW solar and 15 KVA propane/nat gas permanant generator, and 2200 VA UPS.

COMMS: Beside mobiles and internet (fail after a few days) consider a low cost a battery powered emergency band /SW radio, even better, an amateur or CB band transceiver. Newest Apple iphones have SATCOM capability.

Self Defense: Consider a training course, or simple weapons.


From an optimist in the Nuclear Age!

Jon
PS: (some extreme "preppers" that stockpile medicines, first aid kits, weapons, ammo, 1 mo..1yr food /water /fuel supply)
 
Pepper said:
No. No I am not. I don't find life so glorious as to want to live in dystopian conditions.
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Ahhh. the difference between survivalists and those that aren't.

Selflessly, Some people would fight for their lives in hopes of making a better world for future generations.....some wouldn't.....just ask a veteran.

"The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day"
 
hollydolly said:
..soo given that you're an expert on surviving off grid Kat... and given your circumstances now, how would you prepare to live.. if there was an emergency now which was going to last for the foreseeable future ?
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Living off the grid meant every time there were local power outages due to storms or snow, it did not affect us. Even when we were in the middle of a tornado that took out many trees including some on our house. At that time we had only one solar panel and a very small system. We still had power. After we built it up we had even more power. Our solar refrigerator (I call it that but it was actually a 12 volt refrigerator and did not use the inverter) ran no matter what. Even if our system was down for some reason.

Beyond the power though, I canned meat that I bought in bulk plus my garden harvests. Jars of food are a much better way to store food since it does last forever if your seal is secure. In a power outage, your food will not go bad as it does in a freezer. Dehydrating or canning is a much better alternative. Pet food can be a problem. Horse feed can too. Wood stoves for cooking and heating. No matter what happens, you are not going to be canning the food in your freezer during an emergency. I had many people tell me that is what their plan was. Don't store it all the same spot, just in case it gets ruined because of where it was stored.

Living here now, I am not prepared other than being in an area that if the power goes down they work on getting it back up first. Due to the area being where the local government offices and buildings are. Like the police, fire station and county buildings. Most apartments do not allow you to have other heating sources due to the chance of starting fires (which I definitely understand and agree with). I would recommend stocking up on foods that are cooked and canned or freeze dried or dehydrated. Then rotate these foods so you are using them and buying more. Do not buy anything that you or your family does not eat or like. Buy what you know. I really need to put together a bug out bag just in case I had to leave here in a hurry.
 
Sippican said:
Ahhh. the difference between survivalists and those that aren't.

Selflessly, Some people would fight for their lives in hopes of making a better world for future generations.....some wouldn't.....just ask a veteran.

"The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day"
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The main difference between survivalists and those that aren't might be age in this case. I am 73 now. But, I guess it is in my nature as I always thought if I had been one of those holocaust camp people I would have run for the gate, hoping to get mowed down by a mass of bullets rather than wait to be gassed. Of course, people survived this, I knew many many who did, but I never thought I had the patience.

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my own personal survival has never had importance for me. What the heck! If I wasn't born, so what?!
 
Pepper said:
The main difference between survivalists and those that aren't might be age in this case. I am 73 now. But, I guess it is in my nature as I always thought if I had been one of those holocaust camp people I would have run for the gate, hoping to get mowed down by a mass of bullets rather than wait to be gassed. Of course, people survived this, I knew many many who did, but I never thought I had the patience.

eta
my own personal survival has never had importance for me. What the heck! If I wasn't born, so what?!
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I thought the same thing until I had kids and grandkids....thats where my profile quote came from
 
Pepper said:
I have one son and a grandson. I told son if ever there is a mass shooting and we were in it to RUN! as I no longer can. RUN and don't look back.
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And I told my sons, to help those that can't help themselves. So as your son runs, people like me and my sons will be there to help you.
We come from different backgrounds and upbringings.
 
Sippican said:
And I told my sons, to help those that can't help themselves. So as your son runs, people like me and my sons will be there to help you.
We come from different backgrounds and upbringings.
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Guess so as I still can't figure out when you said "Saul Alinsky" did you mean pro or con? That much you're allowed to admit on this non-political forum. You seem both and my only clue for pro is a generalized where you live, cause if con you are in the minority on Cape Cod.

What I told my son is my desire, is not what he would necessarily do but my wish for him to retain his life and that of his family's.
 
Pepper said:
The main difference between survivalists and those that aren't might be age in this case. I am 73 now. But, I guess it is in my nature as I always thought if I had been one of those holocaust camp people I would have run for the gate, hoping to get mowed down by a mass of bullets rather than wait to be gassed. Of course, people survived this, I knew many many who did, but I never thought I had the patience.

eta
my own personal survival has never had importance for me. What the heck! If I wasn't born, so what?!
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No beautiful clever son, no beautiful clever grandson...
 
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