Natural immunity now shown to be as (if not more) effective than vaccine acquired immunity in 95% of people post Covid infection.

AnnieA

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The 95% statistic comes from The US Institutes of Health who begin their summary with:
  • The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.
  • The results provide hope that people receiving SARS-CoV-2 vaccines will develop similar lasting immune memories after vaccination.
The latest meta analysis of peer reviewed studies showing the same was published last month in the highly regarded British journal The Lancet. The meta analysis which looked at 65 studies from 19 different countries, showed protection from severe disease among all variants and cut the risk of hospitalization and death from a Covid reinfection by 88% for at least 10 months. The review concluded with the statement: "Our analysis suggests that the level of protection from past infection by variant and over time is at least equivalent if not greater than that provided by two-dose mRNA vaccines."

The scientists and physicians who were ridiculed and even in some cases censored for their acknowledgment of the effectiveness of natural immunity during the height of vaccine mania must surely feel vindicated. Even in the absence of the overwhelming evidence we have now, they were basing their statements on principles of natural immunity in infectious diseases throughout history regardless of the pathogen.
 

Alligatorob said:
Not surprising, its true of most virial infections, why not covid?

I am generally a vaccine supporter but never saw the reason to question natural immunity.
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Exactly. But take a look back at negative news reports, dismissal by the 'alphabet' federal health agencies, even censorship across social media, of scientists and physicians who stated that in following the vaccine rollout.
 

Natural immunity would be my personal preference assuming the virus is not deadly, and those who were infected and survived are bound to have stronger immunity since they were resistant to the virus in the first place. But how about those that died and didn't receive the vaccine? Should they have been advised to avoid the vaccine?
 
JustDave said:
But how about those that died and didn't receive the vaccine? Should they have been advised to avoid the vaccine?
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It was worth a shot (pardon the pun) for those with risk factors though that's complicated by obesity as a risk factor. The CDC has stated that 78% of people who have been hospitalized, needed a ventilator or died from Covid-19 were overweight or obese. Obesity has long been known (and verified in Covid vaccine research) to cause a decrease in vaccine efficacy. Still, any benefit for the high risk group counts for something and the vaccine did reduce hospitalizations and deaths in the obese.
 
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In medicine it's always wisest to err on the side of caution. If it had turned out that natural immunity waned after 60 days, how foolish the medical community would have looked if they'd recommend that people who recovered from Covid eschew the vaccines entirely.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Given that the research declares both the vaccines and natural immunity last roughly 8 months, I'll continue getting vaccinated against whatever the current strain is. I'd rather get a shot than deal with Covid once a year - even if it's a mild case.

My single Covid bout in December 2020 was no picnic. It left a lung problem that required Rx medication for three months, and I didn't feel completely well until roughly a year had passed. Note: I was 68, in good shape, BMI of 21.5, with no underlying or chronic health problems.

As advised, I waited three months before getting the first vaccine.

Virtually everybody on this forum is in a high risk group simply because of our age. People over 50 died from Covid at a much greater rate than others.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

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I still think anything we can do to avoid an illness when we are older is a wise choice. A simple upper respiratory infection can lead to pneumonia.
 
StarSong said:
Virtually everybody on this forum is in a high risk group simply because of our age. People over 50 died from Covid at a much greater rate than others.
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I don't think we lost a regular here to Covid though we do have a member who lost his son the day after he got the mRNA vaccine.

Now that Covid has thankfully!!!! mutated to much milder variants, there's much less risk for everyone, even for the obese which had the highest death rates during the pandemic. I'm unvaccinated per physician advice and finally got it in December. I had three days of 102.9 temp but didn't feel as bad as I did with the common cold I'd had the previous October. I did have morning headaches, felt weak but recovered within a week.
 
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I spoke to my primary physician in depth about this . The article says that there is as much natural immunity from getting Covid as there is from getting vaccinated.
Well that’s not saying much! The vaccine doesn’t make you immune from getting the virus. It hopefully keeps you from getting very ill, requiring hospitalization or from dying.
My doctor highly recommends getting every vaccine that is recommended. He said he is basing his recommendations on what he’s personally seen in his practice.
He told me that the patients he’s seen with Covid who aren’t up to date with vaccines are the one’s who run into trouble.
The current strain is highly contagious snd especially devastating to folks our age.
 
Marian said:
The current strain is highly contagious snd especially devastating to folks our age.
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Current variants are highly contagious but symptoms are much milder. Am not sure how you define devastating either. I monitor hospitalization, ventilator and death statistics from state and national health agency sources and have not seen 'devastating' trends for the current variants, even in my state which has had a high number of hospitalizations, severe illness and deaths because of the state obesity rate.

I would like to see a primary source data (not a media article) backing your claim.
 
AnnieA said:
I don't think we lost a regular here to Covid though we do have a member who lost his son the day after he got the mRNA vaccine.

Now that Covid has thankfully!!!! mutated to much milder variants, there's much less risk for everyone, even for the obese which had the highest death rates during the pandemic. I'm unvaccinated per physician advice and finally got it in December. I had three days of 102.9 temp but didn't feel as bad as I did with the common cold I'd had the previous October. I did have morning headaches, felt weak but recovered within a week.
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It's impossible to know who SF lost to Covid. A fair number of regular posters disappeared from our boards without notice over the past three years.

Current Covid death rates are way down, thank heavens, but still over 300 per day.
The US alone has lost 1.1 million people to Covid, all told. A not insignificant number.
 
AnnieA said:
Current variants are highly contagious but symptoms are much milder. Am not sure how you define devastating either. I monitor hospitalization, ventilator and death statistics from state and national health agency sources and have not seen 'devastating' trends for the current variants, even in my state which has had a high number of hospitalizations, severe illness and deaths because of the state obesity rate.

I would like to see a primary source data (not a media article) backing your claim.
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Thanks for posting that you are seeing that it is highly contagious, that is what I have heard. Most would have a mild case but I don't want any case. I continue to mask and stay out of crowds. I live alone and it is not fun to be sick when there is no one around to take care of you. Yes, I could always call the son but I don't want to bother him unless it is really important.
 
You can get immunity from contracting covid, which might kill you. Or you can get immunity from a vaccination that has been proven to be safe, other than some mild side effects.

Hmmm... what to do... what to do...
 
StarSong said:
Current Covid death rates are way down, thank heavens, but still over 300 per day.
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It was down to 182 yesterday thankfully. I'd love to see a breakdown of comorbid conditions such as obesity, renal failure, cancer, advanced heart disease, advance lung disease in the people who are currently dying of the increasingly mild variants.
 
AnnieA said:
It was down to 182 yesterday thankfully. I'd love to see a breakdown of comorbid conditions such as obesity, renal failure, cancer, advanced heart disease, advance lung disease in the people who are currently dying of the increasingly mild variants.
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There's no question that of lot of people who died had comorbidity issues. On the other hand, they survived with those health problems until Covid tipped the balance.
 
Alligatorob said:
Not surprising, its true of most virial infections, why not covid?

I am generally a vaccine supporter but never saw the reason to question natural immunity.
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I agree. I thought the vaccine was developed to help the vulnerable until we all achieved herd immunity but the vaccine turned into something else entirely with all the mandates. It's like the virus was created to fascilitate the vaccine and not visa versa.
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win231 said:
LOL - "Proven to be safe."
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In Germany we say 'todsicher' (literally 'as sure as death'). In fact the vaccine works in that way. Some miles away, a healthy 14-year-old girl died after the mRNA shot and got an autopsy (on the demand of her mother) that proved the vaccine as the only cause for her death. Not a single case.

You may look at this movie for sudden deaths after the shot
https://odysee.com/@jackspirko:a/Died-Suddenly-2022:7

and here for testimonies that mRNA vaccines do harm:
https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/
 
George1959 said:
You may look at this movie for sudden deaths after the shot
https://odysee.com/@jackspirko:a/Died-Suddenly-2022:7

and here for testimonies that mRNA vaccines do harm:
https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/
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George, even if these stories are all true, and vaccine caused, the real question is how many lives have been saved vs cost.

The studies I have been able to find, and cited in related threads, show that the risk of death is lower for vaccinated people than non-vaccinated. This is true even when looking at non-covid related deaths. Do you have any such epidemiological data or studies that show differently?
 
win231 said:
It would have been much harder to sell vaccines if they talked about natural immunity.
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Natural immunity is a product of infection. But, there are problems with solely relying on it …
* A first infection, particularly in people our age, can be fatal, or likely require hospitalization, making it a tough way to gain immunity.
* Even so, when the virus mutates that natural immunity it has conveyed may not be fully effective.
* On the other hand, Pfizer and Moderna produce boosters that are aimed at dealing with the latest variant. I’ve seen the numbers and those boosters are effective.

Bottom line, IMHO get the vaccine, and the boosters, but only Pfizer or Moderna. If you still get the disease, its unlikely to be fatal, and you will still benefit from the natural immunity it conveys.
 
Marian said:
Over 20,000 people have died from Covid 19 in the USA in 2023, Annie.
It’s only been 2023 for 73 days!
I’d call that devastating!
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According to the CDC website the numbers are "Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19" and do not include numbers with comorbid conditions. "Presumed" has been a problem with death toll accuracy throughout the pandemic.

It can be a very serious disease, especially for older adults with with chronic health conditions and the obese.
 
People who don't want the vaccine, that's fine.
People who do want the vaccine, that's fine too.
People have a choice.
Well I've still got a lot of living to do, so if I had to have a jab every week to let me become the oldest man in the world, then so be it. 😊
 

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