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American Thinker

March 17, 2023
Questioning the January 6 Aftermath
By Jacqualine Henry

What is worse than making "false accusations" is accusing someone of doing so without verifying your facts. I did a "quick search" on the internet, my PC must be better than yours. Two related articles popped up. I also have heard recently of Fox News that some people are still being held in Washington DC. Read the article below is you believe this did not happen. If I would take time, more than five minutes I could tie it all up through yesterday. But I know it is fact, prove me wrong with facts...

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So much for internet reliability.... your sources and my sources are obviously not agreeing. Much like you and I. Let's respect each other, shall we?

 

[Alligatorob]

Thanks for the post @Timewise 60+ . I still don't see evidence that people were held without charges.

There is a statement by Republican Congressman Livingston that says, in part: "I’m shocked by the ongoing stories of prospective defendants who have been arrested and deprived of their livelihoods; confined in solitary confinement with little or no reasonable access to the outside world, their families or adequate legal counsel; and denied formal charges levied against them without bail and in contravention to their right to a speedy trial."

However no actual evidence of the source or truth of these stories is offered. Just providing the names would be helpful. Without evidence I would not trust a statement this vague from anyone.

The rest of this is about the treatment of some of those arrested for their January 6 actions, and I am sure there is some rough treatment of these people, but I am not sure it's worse than what many arrestees face.

The allegation that some are being held without charges is a serious violation of the constitution, and if true it needs to be exposed and corrected. Based on what I can find and on what you posted I just am still not sure its true.

 

[CarolfromTX]

How about the CDC?

 

[Disgustedman]

Strangely, I worked for every kind of US government-, town, city, county, state, federal. So, I have a hard time accepting the premise that government is inherently evil, and corrupt.

I put the government as more of excessive, overbearing and counterproductive.

I recall a admiral who was part of the war dept procurement and he noted "There's a request for 50 of this weapon/plane/part so let's provide 500" in fact, there's still several boxes of the 5 star insignia the govt has in store, even though they no longer use it.

The VA is another issue of abuse of soldiers, and medical claims denied from previous wars (Agent Orange among others) but I agree it's not corrupt, but the people can be (mainly congressional people) as one can legally "Bribe" them with donations, speaker fees and party contributions.

 

[Disgustedman]

Is that true? I did not think that could happen under our judicial system... Not unless they are considered enemy combatants or prisoners of war.

VERIFY: Yes, some Capitol Riot defendants are being held without bond before their trials.​

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/...gress/65-1e4d4dd6-eded-4187-85f1-d4dfcc3a9519

I will note, many were violent, but they're also holding people they claim "Conspired" to attack.

But you'll not hear anything about Brian eps

 

[Murrmurr]

Sorry I'll alert Scott Bernstein for publishing an incomplete list of government corruption. I am certain such a list far exceeds public knowledge and will stay that way until truth is uncovered.
...

I'll bet we can all make some excellent guesses, though.

5 immediately come to my mind.

 

[Murrmurr]

We have laws to deal with illegal imigration too, but no one is enforcing any of them.

Some are just about impossible to enforce: too many departments with their own jurisdictions = lots of red tape = very little gets accomplished.

Immigration laws need to change and the fat needs to be deeply trimmed. That would cut wasted spending, too.

 

[Alligatorob]

VERIFY: Yes, some Capitol Riot defendants are being held without bond before their trials.​

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/...gress/65-1e4d4dd6-eded-4187-85f1-d4dfcc3a9519

I will note, many were violent, but they're also holding people they claim "Conspired" to attack.

But you'll not hear anything about Brian eps

Thanks and this does show that some of the defendants have not gotten bail. That appears to have been done legally based on the charges against them. It does not address the issue raised by Timewise that I was asking about:

some people are still in jail that were never charged with anything and have not been allowed in court

These people were charged and allowed in court, just not given bail. People are free to agree or disagree with what happened, the merits of the cases, but it is not outside of what the Constitution allows.

 

[Disgustedman]

Thanks and this does show that some of the defendants have not gotten bail. That appears to have been done legally based on the charges against them. It does not address the issue raised by Timewise that I was asking about:

These people were charged and allowed in court, just not give bail. People are free to agree or disagree with what happened, the merits of the cases, but it is not outside of what the Constitution allows.

Where does "Danger to the community" fall under?

The defendants include people like alleged Proud Boy Dominic Pezzola and Ethan Nordean, and alleged Oath Keepers Jessica Watkins and Kenneth Harrelson all of whom have been ruled a "danger to the community."

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/...-jail/65-dffb1d7e-089a-4406-ae4e-c54748e11953

 

[SeaBreeze]

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So much for internet reliability.... your sources and my sources are obviously not agreeing. Much like you and I. Let's respect each other, shall we?

I knew about the "Thinker" years ago, reflective of those who frequent sources like that.

 

[Brookswood]

Our corrupt agencies can’t hold a candle to those in Russia.

I’ll give Mr. Ed credit. His is the most obvious troll I’ve seen in a while.

 

[Rich]

We have laws to deal with illegal imigration too, but no one is enforcing any of them.

This one is a mystery to me. Each election cycle our candidates promise to stop illegal immigration but year after year nothing of substance is accomplished. There are many laws that could be changed or enacted, and others that should be enforced. Is it possible that the government doesn't stop illegal immigration in an effort to maintain a large, low-wage workforce?

 

[oldaunt]

This one is a mystery to me. Each election cycle our candidates promise to stop illegal immigration but year after year nothing of substance is accomplished. There are many laws that could be changed or enacted, and others that should be enforced. Is it possible that the government doesn't stop illegal immigration in an effort to maintain a large, low-wage workforce?

Which is just another form of slave labor. You KNOW someone high up is making money somehow from the mess.

 

[Timewise 60+]

I knew about the "Thinker" years ago, reflective of those who frequent sources like that.

I say the same about those who never look beyond the 'mainstream media'! Do so at your own peril! I prefer to read many different sources and then make up my own mind about where the truth is...

I say to you, "You don't know, what you don't know" "So go blindly into the night"

 

[Timewise 60+]

Thanks for the post @Timewise 60+ . I still don't see evidence that people were held without charges.

There is a statement by Republican Congressman Livingston that says, in part: "I’m shocked by the ongoing stories of prospective defendants who have been arrested and deprived of their livelihoods; confined in solitary confinement with little or no reasonable access to the outside world, their families or adequate legal counsel; and denied formal charges levied against them without bail and in contravention to their right to a speedy trial."

However no actual evidence of the source or truth of these stories is offered. Just providing the names would be helpful. Without evidence I would not trust a statement this vague from anyone.

The rest of this is about the treatment of some of those arrested for their January 6 actions, and I am sure there is some rough treatment of these people, but I am not sure it's worse than what many arrestees face.

The allegation that some are being held without charges is a serious violation of the constitution, and if true it needs to be exposed and corrected. Based on what I can find and on what you posted I just am still not sure its true.

Did you not read the part that Congresswoman Livingston's purpose for having this article published is because she was going to visit the people in jail so she could verify exactly what happened. Why would she be going to visit people in jail, if she did not already know they were real?

 

[Timewise 60+]

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So much for internet reliability.... your sources and my sources are obviously not agreeing. Much like you and I. Let's respect each other, shall we?

Hard to admit your wrong! You did not comment on the added comment on my post. It was from the Washington Times. I will put the heading on that again below. You can read the article in my earlier post or look it up yourself.

The Washington Times, Jan. 6th detainees must receive due process, Why are some still in jail 10 months after the fact?
By Robert L. Livingston - - Wednesday, November 10, 2021​

 

[SeaBreeze]

I say the same about those who never look beyond the 'mainstream media'! Do so at your own peril! I prefer to read many different sources and then make up my own mind about where the truth is...

I say to you, "You don't know, what you don't know" "So go blindly into the night"

You don't know what the hell your blabbering about. I get my news and information from many sources, mainstream and otherwise, and have for decades. I will never be as blind as someone so gullible as you to default to such sources. You will never regain your realistic vision is you stay inside your little bubble, and you will stay there for the rest of your life......that I can assure you.

 

[Timewise 60+]

You don't know what the hell your blabbering about. I get my news and information from many sources, mainstream and otherwise, and have for decades. I will never be as blind as someone so gullible as you to default to such sources. You will never regain your realistic vision is you stay inside your little bubble, and you will stay there for the rest of your life......that I can assure you.

Your reading comprehension is almost as bad as your information gathering as you missed the fact, above, that I do read/ listen to many sources from the mainstream media and conservative sources. Notice I am not into name calling...a bit childish, I think!

 

[Rich]

The more we look the more we learn....Democrats and the mainstream media are actively blocking the facts, but slowly the facts are getting out...do your own research and don't limit yourself to where you look... No doubt some of these folks broke the law and deserved to be taken into custody. But, they did not get the 'Due Process' that ALL Americans are promised in our Constitution.

And yet, it's Fox News, a known conservative organization that recently admitted to knowing the election fraud claim was in itself a fraud. They knew the election was fair and that Biden won but they recklessly continued to report otherwise.

 

[SeaBreeze]

And yet, it's Fox News, a known conservative organization that recently admitted to knowing the election fraud claim was in itself a fraud. They knew the election was fair and that Biden won but they recklessly continued to report otherwise.

People like him don't even realize that Fox, Newsmax and all the other 'conservative' propaganda channels are Mainstream Media. Very telling.

 

[SeaBreeze]

as you missed the fact, above, that I do read/ listen to many sources from the mainstream media and conservative sources. Notice I am not into name calling...a bit childish, I think!

Newsflash! "Conservative" sources are mainstream media, except your online radical extremist sites which you also gravitate to. And what name calling are you referring to, or are you just imagining things?