This week marked the 20th anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq

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It's been called the biggest blunder in U.S. history — even greater than the Vietnam War. Some Iraqis are demanding reparations for the damage we did to their country.

America illegally invaded Iraq in 2003, occupied and destabilized and flattened it, and then never left. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed, and millions more have been made refugees or internally displaced persons. The consequences for the population are almost beyond comprehension: After decades of conflict, more than 2 million Iraqis are disabled, while the PTSD is inescapable. Entire generations have been left unable to look at the sky the same way.

The Iraqi people must be added, alongside the American dead and their families, to the register of 9/11’s victims, after that day’s events were used as a justification for war. The atrocities at Abu Ghraib prison, the bombardment of Fallujah, the attack on civilians in Baghdad’s Nisour Square by the military contractor Blackwater — these events are a small part of a long list, made exceptional not by the character of their violence but by their outsize impact on the collective psychology. America trained, funded, and commanded Iraqi Interior Ministry special police forces to run a network of torture centers across the nation. Parts of Iraq are now rubble, a ruin-monument to western folly. One hundred military orders were signed into law by the U.S.-backed Coalition Provisional Authority to privatize state-run companies and amend the tax laws to facilitate foreign ownership.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/09/iraq-war-reparations.html

After WWII, the U.S. put a lot of money and effort into rebuilding Japan and Germany in an effort to prevent retaliation. And they started the war! We've also spent a lot of money trying to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure but with little to show for it due to all the corruption.

So, should the U.S. pay reparations to Iraq? Personally, I'm on the fence.
 

It's been called the biggest blunder in U.S. history — even greater than the Vietnam War. Some Iraqis are demanding reparations for the damage we did to their country.

America illegally invaded Iraq in 2003, occupied and destabilized and flattened it, and then never left. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed, and millions more have been made refugees or internally displaced persons. The consequences for the population are almost beyond comprehension: After decades of conflict, more than 2 million Iraqis are disabled, while the PTSD is inescapable. Entire generations have been left unable to look at the sky the same way.

The Iraqi people must be added, alongside the American dead and their families, to the register of 9/11’s victims, after that day’s events were used as a justification for war. The atrocities at Abu Ghraib prison, the bombardment of Fallujah, the attack on civilians in Baghdad’s Nisour Square by the military contractor Blackwater — these events are a small part of a long list, made exceptional not by the character of their violence but by their outsize impact on the collective psychology. America trained, funded, and commanded Iraqi Interior Ministry special police forces to run a network of torture centers across the nation. Parts of Iraq are now rubble, a ruin-monument to western folly. One hundred military orders were signed into law by the U.S.-backed Coalition Provisional Authority to privatize state-run companies and amend the tax laws to facilitate foreign ownership.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/09/iraq-war-reparations.html

So, should the U.S. pay reparations to Iraq? Personally, I'm on the fence.
IMO the U.S. should pay reparations to Iraq. But I doubt that this ever will happen.
 
So, should the U.S. pay reparations to Iraq? Personally, I'm on the fence.
Interesting question.

It's a little known fact that Iraq paid $52.4 billion in reparations to Kuwait and other countries damaged by Saddam's 1990 invasion of Kuwait. See United Nations Compensation Commission https://uncc.ch/home The US very much supported that process.

I am not sure what I think either, reparations for war damages is always a hard thing to figure out. As you point out the US did spend a lot of money in a failed effort to rebuild Iraq. Things were pretty bad under Saddam, but I don't believe that for the average Iraqi they are any better now.
 
It's been called the biggest blunder in U.S. history — even greater than the Vietnam War.
So, should the U.S. pay reparations to Iraq? Personally, I'm on the fence.
If I may wax sarcastic for a moment, "We freed the Iraqi people. Isn't that enough?"
Personally, I thought it was the biggest US blunder in my lifetime, even greater than Vietnam, although until now, I had never heard anyone articulate my opinion so precisely.
 
Reparations? Sure. And the Brits, as just one example, can claim from the Italians/Romans, Saxons/Germans, Scandinavians/French/Normans, etc, etc.

Like the old Fabergé commercial, "You pay two reparations, and they pay two reparations, and so on and so on..."

Just about every group/country has invaded another. Just shuffle the cards and re-deal.
 
^^^oh oh what a comment the above is!!
Only in light of today's sensibilities. Slavery was legally practiced by our ancestors for thousands of years, only ending relatively recently. That doesn't make it right, but people thought differently then.

My ancestors with slaves were in rebellious states, Georgia and Florida and supported the Confederacy. However there were slave owners in states that did not rebel, the border states. And there were slave owners in Confederate states who supported the Union, see Southern Unionist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Unionist . Arguably rebellious Confederates gave up their rights, but all slave owners lost their slaves without compensation.

I am not in any way defending slavery and not suggesting we compensate anyone. Just pointing out the complexity of compensations...
 
For those who feel morally obligated to Iraq I have a few questions.

Would you rather pay what YOU feel this country owes Iraq or would you rather pay for the new Cold War that that we are entering now?

What about the war in Afghanistan? Do you want to pay reparations there too?

Or how about Taiwan? Will you want to pay to defend them from China as we are pledged to do?

Then there is the continuing cost of defending Ukraine with treasure, if not yet with our blood.

If an assessment was made for reparations for Iraq how, as a citizen of this country, would you pay your share?
 
I'm not condoning slavery, (and/or the fact that this thread appears to be morphing), but it seems that the Anglo world in general has become a pearl-clutching subdivision of international humanity.

Slaves in the US south, and the Caribbean isles, primarily came from West Africa; who captured and sold them, Arabs and other black Africans for the most part.

Slavery was/(is) practised pretty much worldwide, but do you hear of other nationalities donning sackcloth & ashes and regularly pleading for atonement?

You cannot change history, (although the Mamluks took a shot at it https://www.historytoday.com/miscellanies/who-were-mamluks ).
 
I don't remember, who said, before the war, about Iraq, "you break it, you own it" Well, we broke it in spectacular fashion. Then we tried to rebuild it as the 51st State, which further decimated Iraq. The fact is Iraq was attacked on a pretext of having "weapons of Mass destruction", it was destroyed because of American incompetence. Are the "Nations of the Willing" responsible for the devastation they created in Iraq? Of course. Will Iraq be compensated? Like the weapons of mass destruction, Iraq's compensation will never be found.
 
Way off topic, but did anyone here watch that sequestered video of Saddam being hung. It was on utube for awhile. Obviously, I'd never seen a hanging before. It was grotesque.
I don't remember, who said, before the war, about Iraq, "you break it, you own it" Well, we broke it in spectacular fashion. Then we tried to rebuild it as the 51st State, which further decimated Iraq. The fact is Iraq was attacked on a pretext of having "weapons of Mass destruction", it was destroyed because of American incompetence. Are the "Nations of the Willing" responsible for the devastation they created in Iraq? Of course. Will Iraq be compensated? Like the weapons of mass destruction, Iraq's compensation will never be found.
Colon Powell.
 
The occupation is frequently tougher than the invasion or battle. Many think we shouldn't or can't nation build but if more had been done infrastructure and policy wise perhaps more stability being there would be more at stake.

It's what if but hopefully some things changed, were prevented or altered for the good

Abandoning the region not good. Syria is an example of that. Iran emboldened by the withdrawals from Afghanistan and Iraq. Then they see how Ukraine support is depleting munitions-they know resources are going else where. Don't need to control a whole country but more bases and areas should've been kept.
 
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No, we do not owe Iraq reparations.

If the US had been found guilty of war crimes, then we would.
Wait a minute. After the war in that region was over, we didn’t just pack up and leave. To date, we have spent over $90 billion and still counting to help reconstruct the area. Much of that money was wasted. When asked what ‘wasted’ meant, we never got an answer. However, you can bet with so much corruption in Iraq and each of the different sects wanting a piece of the pie, it’s likely that an unknown amount went into some pockets. We gave the money to relieve our consciences. Bush, Jr used the excuse of WMD’s to invade the country. None were found. The fact that no WMD’s were found was blamed on poor Intel.

Fast forward: Not long after the war, the Iraqi people knew what freedom was. That didn’t last long. Today, they can home a home or a business, but the country’s government still controls the land. It’s a shame.
 
how do you build a nation from one that has survived longer than we have? the middle east has been what it is for so long I doubt they understand what something better might even be like, if you consider what we have built is that much better. considering that today it feels like it is falling apart, so much violence, so much destruction of civilities. are we that much better?

there is a quote I believe it is attributed to the then secretary of defense donald rumsfeld: "I'm not one who thinks that our particular form of democracy is appropriate for other countries"
 
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The old saying, " Winning the Hearts and Minds" of a country sometimes just doesn't work.

I was once told in the military, that if we could put satellite dishes on every home, we could show 'them'
how life really IS and they would just turn to our way of thinking!

Seems to be a simplistic way of thinking, IMHO.
 
Wait a minute. After the war in that region was over, we didn’t just pack up and leave. To date, we have spent over $90 billion and still counting to help reconstruct the area. Much of that money was wasted. When asked what ‘wasted’ meant, we never got an answer. However, you can bet with so much corruption in Iraq and each of the different sects wanting a piece of the pie, it’s likely that an unknown amount went into some pockets. We gave the money to relieve our consciences. Bush, Jr used the excuse of WMD’s to invade the country. None were found. The fact that no WMD’s were found was blamed on poor Intel.

Fast forward: Not long after the war, the Iraqi people knew what freedom was. That didn’t last long. Today, they can home a home or a business, but the country’s government still controls the land. It’s a shame.
I was thinking civil reparations. Crimes against Iraqi citizens, court-ordered reparations.

A guy from Syria who I worked with for a couple years told me that Iraq does have WMDs but after 9-11 they moved them into a huge underground storage facility in the Syrian desert.

Could be.
 
My opinion will be very unpopular I am sure, but I believe the western world needs to get out of the Middle East and parts of Africa, and stay out. Screw their oil, just get out and stay out! They hate the influence we have and frankly we are appalled by their actions.
We no longer need their oil. The U.S. produces more oil than it uses so we're self-sufficient; it's just that the oil industry has too much power as does the military industrial complex. There's too much money involved for us to get out of the Middle East.
 


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