Matriarchy or Patriarchy?

In the US haven't had a female president, however, saying that does not mean a female would be less conniving and ruthless as former leaders of this free nation(sarcasm) Have you noticed a shift in female leadership and authoritative roles in government, business, political, and professional status?

Examples of male leadership.
  1. Donald Trump-Republican 1st to face criminal charges
  2. Bill Clinton impeachment but no arrest.Accusations of sexual advances Not formulary indicted or convicted of a crime
  3. Richard Nixon-felt it necessary to tell televised news conference "I am not a crook". Received a blanket pardon from his successor, Gerald Ford.
  4. John F. Kennedy-controversial sexual behavior
  5. Warren Harding misdeeds of Attorney General Harry Daugherty and Secretary of the Interior Albert Fall. Skimming off profits from building veteran's hospitals and from the sales US oil preserves left over after the war. Harding was not implicated in the scandals directly. Allegations of extramarital affair including a child out of wedlock.
Look around you, there are many capable female leaders more than anytime throughout US history. Perhaps it is time to yield the court to the skills and deciding power of women. Evangelicals will likely oppose such nonsense according to scripture. The good ole boys caucus have had their days of corruption and misdeeds.
 

Mr. Ed said:
In the US haven't had a female president, however, saying that does not mean a female would be less conniving and ruthless as former leaders of this free nation(sarcasm) Have you noticed a shift in female leadership and authoritative roles in government, business, political, and professional status?

Examples of male leadership.
  1. Donald Trump-Republican 1st to face criminal charges
  2. Bill Clinton impeachment but no arrest.Accusations of ****** advances Not formulary indicted or convicted of a crime
  3. Richard Nixon-felt it necessary to tell televised news conference "I am not a crook". Received a blanket pardon from his successor, Gerald Ford.
  4. John F. Kennedy-controversial ****** behavior
  5. Warren Harding misdeeds of Attorney General Harry Daugherty and Secretary of the Interior Albert Fall. Skimming off profits from building veteran's hospitals and from the sales US oil preserves left over after the war. Harding was not implicated in the scandals directly. Allegations of extramarital affair including a child out of wedlock.
Look around you, there are many capable female leaders more than anytime throughout US history. Perhaps it is time to yield the court to the skills and deciding power of women. Evangelicals will likely oppose such nonsense according to scripture. The good ole boys caucus have had their days of corruption and misdeeds.
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You left out Johnson who escalated the Vietnam War and had thousands of grunts killed. That war was a bad idea from day 1. Maybe Milley’s uncle was in charge before Westmoreland.

“Failures have been errors of judgment, not intent.” -General Ulysses S. Grant.
 
davey said:
I think my point still holds water - women leaders may be more frequently nudged than males
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If they give up their values and responsibility because they can't stand up to "nudging" then they have no business in a leadership position.

I'll add Hilary Clinton to the list of women in power who were happy to send men off to war. Her vote after 911 was the reason I voted for Obama over her.

I don't really want to live under a patriarchy or a matriarchy but reasonable, intelligent, kind leaders of any gender.

I think the patriarchy has been getting a bad rap in recent years. Yes we can (and do) list many terrible things that happened to women while men thought of women as the weaker sex. They were sent to mental institution for being outspoken, they were belittled and under paid, and lots of talent and brilliance was wasted because of it.

But while those things were happening, back when 80% of the population were farmers, we all would have starved to death if not for the men's hard physical labor in all sorts of brutal conditions. They worked hard and fought wars for women over thousands of years. I'm sure glad I wasn't drafted to Vietnam like my male classmates.
 

Face it, humanity does not comprise of a single gender and because of that the Shakers were obliterated from god influenced celibacy. Not a surprise there were more females following this holy celestial matrimony than males.
The Shakers are proof, women are stronger when convinced they are right.
 
As a general opinion, I want a strong, decisive, intelligent MAN to direct my country's actions.
I listen to all contenders, carefully. They may say all the right things. I agree with their thought
processes, their inference of kindness, but then I hear a talk and see the POWERFULNESS that
only a man can carry, and this POWER makes me feel safe and secure that he is the one to
bring the country back together on the world stage. We are all connected as a world.
As far as a person's intimacy interactions, it's not relevant to leadership and not for us to judge.
Just my opinion.
 
PeppermintPatty said:
Lol! Yes you have. 🙃
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I had a penpal in alt.fortyplus back in the nineties. She was a dear friend, a teacher, born in Norway and we had many a back and forth. Most of the time in agreement. But she took me to task for one thing. She wrote: you tend to idolize women and put us on a pedestal! It makes me nervous because we don't deserve this! I understand, even agree, women are fallible, same as men. In this we are equal! But I could never get rid of my unrealistic, unconditional love of womankind as a whole and the romantic in me will take that attitude to the grave! And you're free to contradict my unrealistic sentiments, I'll love you (women) anyway!
 
Gaer said:
As a general opinion, I want a strong, decisive, intelligent MAN to direct my country's actions.
I listen to all contenders, carefully. They may say all the right things. I agree with their thought
processes, their inference of kindness, but then I hear a talk and see the POWERFULNESS that
only a man can carry, and this POWER makes me feel safe and secure that he is the one to
bring the country back together on the world stage. We are all connected as a world.
As far as a person's intimacy interactions, it's not relevant to leadership and not for us to judge.
Just my opinion.
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I am actually shocked that you think that only men can be powerful. I would love to see an excellent female president of the USA in my lifetime.
 
Old Salt said:
I had a penpal in alt.fortyplus back in the nineties. She was a dear friend, a teacher, born in Norway and we had many a back and forth. Most of the time in agreement. But she took me to task for one thing. She wrote: you tend to idolize women and put us on a pedestal! It makes me nervous because we don't deserve this! I understand, even agree, women are fallible, same as men. In this we are equal! But I could never get rid of my unrealistic, unconditional love of womankind as a whole and the romantic in me will take that attitude to the grave! And you're free to contradict my unrealistic sentiments, I'll love you (women) anyway!
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I’m not going to contradict anything you say. You are as free as anyone to your own opinions and to be honest, it’s kind of cute.
 
I'm 100% for more women world leaders. Men are just too aggressive. Guess maybe that is why they like to sit and watch hockey and football games? Men have caused countless wars over the centuries and they never seem to learn their lessons. As a pacifist, I do not believe in war. Wars kill women, children, dogs & cats. Guess that is why I never read about what is happening in The Ukraine and now in Sudan. I see the headings but never read the articles.
 
Teacher Terry said:
I am actually shocked that you think that only men can be powerful. I would love to see an excellent female president of the USA in my lifetime.
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Yes, You are right! Sometimes I word things the wrong way. There are many wonderful, powerful women.
I personally like the attributes of strong, solid, secure, commanding, trustworthy, wise; in a leader and have
found those in a few political contenders, who HAPPEN to be men. Their opinions on "issues" are
most significant, their values and their integrity should also be evaluated.
This is just my personal opinion. I did not intend to demean the powerfulness of women in politics.
Also, I am speaking of this particular point in time. I can't understand voting for a person because of their
gender or race, just to "have a woman as president in our lifetime". But, That's just me.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I must be more careful in the way I word things.
 
Gaer said:
I can't understand voting for a person because of their
gender or race, just to "have a woman as president in our lifetime"
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That makes good sense, wish all felt that way!
Packerjohn said:
Men are just too aggressive.
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I agree, many are, but as leaders so are a lot of women... many examples named already.

Queen Boudica is one that may have been missed. She had some reasons for what she did, but its hard to justify the thousands of innocent civilians she slaughtered in London and elsewhere in England.
 
Packerjohn said:
I'm 100% for more women world leaders. Men are just too aggressive. Guess maybe that is why they like to sit and watch hockey and football games? Men have caused countless wars over the centuries and they never seem to learn their lessons. As a pacifist, I do not believe in war. Wars kill women, children, dogs & cats. Guess that is why I never read about what is happening in The Ukraine and now in Sudan. I see the headings but never read the articles.
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Have you every seen a women's hockey game? Serious.
My husband used to play and then coach hockey. He said the women were way more viscous than the men.
Kinda makes me proud in a strange way.
 
Old Salt said:
I, for one, would vote for a Matriarchy! I am a pacifist and believe that female leaders would be less likely to send their children into harm's way.
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Really don't think leadership gender would matter much. In a Democratic society I think a leader would try to gauge public support for waging war. In an autocratic society it doesn't much matter what the people think.
Old Salt said:
Forget Margaret Thatcher.
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Yes, done & done.
 
Packerjohn said:
I'm 100% for more women world leaders. Men are just too aggressive. Guess maybe that is why they like to sit and watch hockey and football games? Men have caused countless wars over the centuries and they never seem to learn their lessons. As a pacifist, I do not believe in war. Wars kill women, children, dogs & cats. Guess that is why I never read about what is happening in The Ukraine and now in Sudan. I see the headings but never read the articles.
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I had to turn away from news clips about the present state of women in Afghanistan! To see them back in their Burkas is making me sick. Even more so because I can't do anything about it! The Americans (and Allies) withdrew too soon and while it looked as if it would be another long drawn out battle without a foreseeable end in sight, at least women were now going to school and college and could walk around without being completely hidden, except for a narrow slit for the eyes! A more equitable future lost and a male dominated, archaic culture regaining ground! And damn it, I hate feeling powerless!

I also cheer on the woman of Iran, many of whom are saying enough is enough! May the authorities start worrying about their own futures because of the protests, and may the women be finally free of the morality police and their many fellow sympathizers!
 
davey said:
and so Islam is superior to christianity? simple question - duck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't see the mainstream of Islam represented in the two examples I quoted. I see a basically peaceful religion that has been perverted in two backward cultures! Add Saudi Arabia to that as well. I wish the Americans wouldn't kowtow to them just to ensure a steady supply of oil! So many things wrong, in a world where greed is King!
 
if you read the history of Islam you will find that once Muhammed died there was bickering and arguments about who should replace him - one group wanted direct descendency the other not - so today with the the Sunnis and the Shiites - one branch being much larger and therefore stronger than the other?
 
davey said:
if you read the history of Islam you will find that once Muhammed died there was bickering and arguments about who should replace him - one group wanted direct descendency the other not - so today with the the Sunnis and the Shiites - one branch being much larger and therefore stronger than the other?
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Yes, and if you read the history of Christianity, you'll see bloody wars fought between Catholics and Protestants (the Reformation). You'll see the Spanish Inquisition torturing thousands in the name of Christ. You will see witches being burned because they are in league with the devil!

Nowadays you'll see Televangelists promising health and richess if you follow their guidance (in return for a certain financial contribution). You will see devout pro-life Christians follow a morally corrupt man! What is your point? All religions have suffered from excess because that's the human way. The main stream of both major religions attempts to be kind, loving, forgiving and tolerant, the way God would like them to be, no matter if you call Him: Yahweh or Allah!
 
Well we really have no proof that God really exists - so assuming we are following or not following the directions and teaching of this God or that God depending on which part of the globe and color of your skin you are all seems rather psychotic don't you think. We have all created our own Gods perhaps - the God of Yahweh instructed the early Jews to surround towns and kill the inhabitants if they did not acquiesce to the new one god religion? - the bible [old testament] is full of such atrocities - this new god of yahweh showed no mercy to non - believers - it was change ort die! Allah also pronounced or ordered the slaying of non- muslims under certain conditions - and guess what ?? - we have been slaying ever since whether it was in Cambodia or Vietnam or Russia ; Germany or wherever. Many of the major religions have taught and demanded the taking of lives??
 
Old Salt said:
I, for one, would vote for a Matriarchy! I am a pacifist and believe that female leaders would be less likely to send their children into harm's way. Forget Margaret Thatcher. She was the exception to my rule! What do you think?

Inspired by a thread that threatened to get out of hand! Civil exchange of opinions please!
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I agree with you! Since ancient times, women have been the nurturers and men the hunters. However, when one goes into a position of power, things change, and it becomes more complex because of the power tactics. Still, you have a good point. We visited a museum once where there were some Indian relics and the guide told us that in the old days, the Indian women used to be the leaders. I found that interesting. There are not enough female leaders in the world.
 

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