Alizerine
Senior Member
I enjoyed your post. I think sometimes denial serves a purpose beyond lazy thinking. We are not always prepared for truth.
Creativity of Belief: The question of belief is not what but why do we beleive as we do?
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Jamala
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Sorry Feywon, I didn’t mis-read anything. I just think you have the wrong end of the stick, so to speak. You say “our Facial Recognition process causes pareidolia.” To be precise and avoid confusion “pareidolia” is the name given to this phenomenon by a psychiatrist…it is not caused by the facial recognition process.
Seeing things that aren’t there as I said before (e.g. like picture formations in clouds) is not unusual and has been happening since the beginning of time.
Nothing wrong with this sort of imagery, however, for some people these images become signs of something significant… like messages being sent to them from loved ones or predictions.
In the scientific community this is seen as being delusional. According to many researchers, finding meaning in something random is an important factor in the formation of paranormal and delusional beliefs, and has been found to be implicated in vulnerability to schizophrenia. You appear to have read widely, so I am sure you are aware of this.
I have to be brief, running off to play a game of chess with the hubby.
With regard to "limitations" ...yes we do suffer limitations due to serious injury barring that, our senses are very reliable. As a matter of fact, many people have not fully utilised their other senses.
We can talk more tomorrow if you like, but may I make a respectful observation. When writing technical jargon...it is always better to keep it as simple as possible so that one can be easily understood.
Seeing things that aren’t there as I said before (e.g. like picture formations in clouds) is not unusual and has been happening since the beginning of time.
Nothing wrong with this sort of imagery, however, for some people these images become signs of something significant… like messages being sent to them from loved ones or predictions.
In the scientific community this is seen as being delusional. According to many researchers, finding meaning in something random is an important factor in the formation of paranormal and delusional beliefs, and has been found to be implicated in vulnerability to schizophrenia. You appear to have read widely, so I am sure you are aware of this.
I have to be brief, running off to play a game of chess with the hubby.
With regard to "limitations" ...yes we do suffer limitations due to serious injury barring that, our senses are very reliable. As a matter of fact, many people have not fully utilised their other senses.
We can talk more tomorrow if you like, but may I make a respectful observation. When writing technical jargon...it is always better to keep it as simple as possible so that one can be easily understood.
bobcat
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- Northern Calif
With all due respect, your statement here is highly inaccurate. Not only does your subconscious process the majority of data coming in from the senses, but it also interprets that information. That's where memories, experiences, feelings, concepts, learned behaviors, insights, etc... are held long after you conscious mind has moved on. The subconscious mind is the “autopilot” behind your conscious mind.
Example: When you are driving down the road and your conscious mind is busy with other things, your subconscious is processing and interpreting all the data coming in from the senses. If it perceives danger or something significant, it alerts the conscious mind to take over. Gut feelings and intuitions are all interpretations by the subconscious. You are just not consciously aware of how it draws conclusions. Again though, interpretations can still be the weak link and in error because it is relying on stored information that is often influenced by bias and belief.
I once sat in a room with a psych patient and 12 psychiatrists who spoke to the patient occasionally ; smurmured to themselves occasionally and then all came up with a different diagnosis - I hear this is quite a common illness among them?? the psychiatrists that is!
rbtvgo
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- Absecon, new jersey
WOW!
The responses are extraordinary but all relevant.
Let's skip illness for a minute . What about IQ?????? all are not created equal so those with a lesser IQ are not going to understand everything that is being said.
Matthew 18 speaks to belief. Not a matter of understanding.............................a matter of faith and belief. As children did we not trust our parents?
Who do you trust now? Who has your back? WHO HAS YOUR BACK? WHO IS LOOKING AFTER YOU?
Before you were wise enough to understand the universe, someone took care of you? Who was it?
Now you are wise and knowledgeable of the world, so you can take care of yourself..............really!
You have it all figured out...........................................DO YOU?
There is nothing random in God. He understands it all. You may not agree with His decisions but they are not random. You just don't understand.
No doubt this link will die because it is too difficult to go on. It should, however, but most of you don't want to face the fact that your beliefs are full of holes.
rbtvgo
The responses are extraordinary but all relevant.
Let's skip illness for a minute . What about IQ?????? all are not created equal so those with a lesser IQ are not going to understand everything that is being said.
Matthew 18 speaks to belief. Not a matter of understanding.............................a matter of faith and belief. As children did we not trust our parents?
Who do you trust now? Who has your back? WHO HAS YOUR BACK? WHO IS LOOKING AFTER YOU?
Before you were wise enough to understand the universe, someone took care of you? Who was it?
Now you are wise and knowledgeable of the world, so you can take care of yourself..............really!
You have it all figured out...........................................DO YOU?
There is nothing random in God. He understands it all. You may not agree with His decisions but they are not random. You just don't understand.
No doubt this link will die because it is too difficult to go on. It should, however, but most of you don't want to face the fact that your beliefs are full of holes.
rbtvgo
now just a cotton pickin minute buster - are you the talking about the God who said early on in the piece "but I give you freewill?" and the god of vengeance who created the flood and killed all those in the town of soddom and gomorah etc etc - the god who caused the early Isrraelites to form armies and invade other towns and kill the adults and children if they refurse to surrender - which god are you talking about the god of the old T or new T or just one ya keep invented each day??
rbtvgo
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- Absecon, new jersey
Where does it say " I give you free will" ????????????
Old testament? new testament? where?
I am referring to both testaments .
He is the same.
Israel is his chosen nation.
The believers in his son are his chosen people.
Doesn't make sense.......join the club. Never the less we are the creation, not the creator. We know what God reveals to us. Nothing more.We can puzzle over this, try to make sense of everything, determine right and wrong, dispense justice as we see fit and yet nothing changes. We resolve our issues the same old way
rbtvgo
Old testament? new testament? where?
I am referring to both testaments .
He is the same.
Israel is his chosen nation.
The believers in his son are his chosen people.
Doesn't make sense.......join the club. Never the less we are the creation, not the creator. We know what God reveals to us. Nothing more.We can puzzle over this, try to make sense of everything, determine right and wrong, dispense justice as we see fit and yet nothing changes. We resolve our issues the same old way
rbtvgo
oldaunt
professional hermit
Or...we can just forget the whole mess and live a decent moral life using our own will and common sense. Like the doctors creed of old "First, do no harm"