Ben and Jerrys call for returning stolen land to Native Americans

Brookswood

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Apparently, Ben and Jerry's wants the stolen land returned to Native Americans. One might expect the first land to be returned would be the land that the Ben and Jerry's offices and ice cream factories sit on. No. They want to return Mt. Rushmore.

https://ussanews.com/2023/07/05/ben...nous-land-to-be-returned-to-native-americans/

I find this offensive. Why not do something practical. For example, Ben and Jerry's could pay the local tribes rental for the land they currently occupy. They can do it in the form of a contribution of some sort to a fund that will benefit the tribe's members.

Don Stevens, chief of the Nulhegan Band of The Coosuk Abenaki Nation—one of four descended from the Abenaki that are recognized in Vermont—told Newsweek it was "always interested in reclaiming the stewardship of our lands," but that the company had yet to approach them.

It comes after the ice cream company was questioned as to when it would give up its Burlington, Vermont, headquarters—which sits on a vast swathe of U.S. territory that was under the auspices of the Abenaki people before colonization.

"The U.S. was founded on stolen Indigenous land," the company said in a statement ahead of Independence Day. "This year, let's commit to returning it."
 

Check out how much money the Indians (Seminoles) take out of their Florida casinos. I also know other tribes in other states do pretty well also.

I was reading that here in Florida, the Seminoles net about 2.5 Billion per year. They divide that among the tribes and each Indian gets a pretty nice check each year. I think the Indians also receive a few nice perks. I believe they are offered paid tuition at public colleges.

Seminole Hard Rock Casinos
 

The natives do very well here in Canada, below is just one recent land claim payola of 46 million. They pay no tax but the taxpayers pay them. They choose to live on far north land with no drinking water but do get a nice fat cheque every month. The kids suffer and death among teens and even younger are common, few have a chance at a better life.

And when the subject of Canada comes up from Canada breaking away from the Crown and becoming a republic they howl long and hard for the simple reason that the treaties just might be affected resulting in a loss to them. Seriously, most countries world wide have some forum of past where they were taken over. Perhaps the UK should sue Norway as the Norsemen conquered England.

https://cknewstoday.ca/news/2023/06...ntial-jackpot--to-right-a-long-standing-wrong
 
Seriously, most countries world wide have some forum of past where they were taken over. Perhaps the UK should sue Norway as the Norsemen conquered England.
Yep, it has happened over and over again. Not that we shouldn't do what we can to stop it. And maybe in some select cases try to right things.

My DNA testing says I am ~4% Neanderthal. I am considering bringing a suit against you homo sapiens for what you did to my ancestors...
 
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I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when the big shots at Ben and Jerry’s discussed running with this Tweet regarding giving land back to the native Americans. Did it not occur to them that many people would want B&J to be the first to do this? To lead by example. To model the behavior they encourage in others. To have the courage of their convictions. After all, by their own admission they are doing company business on stolen land. The right thing to do would be to give it back.

And how do Native Americans feel about something so sensitive to them being used to stir up publicity?

Did nobody consider that the reaction to this on many levels and by many groups would be rather negative? I would really like to know what they were thinking when they OK’d this idea.
 
Apparently, a few days before the 4th in the USA, Ben and Jerry’s did the same thing in Canada on Canada Day. They ran a tweet about Canadians living on stolen land. Oh well……

Side Note: I did not realize until this happened that the name “Bud Light“ had become a verb. :D
 
They were anxious to be "correct". Funny I haven't bought any Ben and Jerry's ice cream since they released that statement. I wish my grocery stores still carried Haagen Dazs which I preferred anyway. :giggle:
I don't have anything against Ben and Jerry's. After all, it's ice cream, and it's hard to trash any kind of ice cream. But I don't think Ben and Jerry's is worth the price. However, I tried it once just to see what all the fuss was about. Now, it's good, but only because it's ice cream.

My favorite flavor is Cookies and Cream, and I've tested many different brands. Some are dramatically better than others. I confess, I've never tasted Ben and Jerry's Cookies and Cream, assuming they make it, but often the Cookies and Creams at the top of my list are the cheap ones like generic brands sold on the cheap shelves of major chains, but not because I'm cheap. I'm happy to pay for quality whether it be things to eat or electronic equipment.

The best C&Cs have chunks from the entire Oreo Cookie, chunks that include the cream filling between chocolate wafers. Many manufacturers just seem to use the cookie dust swept up from the floor at the end of a shift. And the best brand I've found so far happens to be the cheapest one of all, the generic brand sold by Aldis. Some cartons a better than others of course, but that's true of any brand.

But then that's not what this thread is about. Sometimes, I just have to say my piece.
 
I don't have anything against Ben and Jerry's. After all, it's ice cream, and it's hard to trash any kind of ice cream. But I don't think Ben and Jerry's is worth the price. However, I tried it once just to see what all the fuss was about. Now, it's good, but only because it's ice cream.

My favorite flavor is Cookies and Cream, and I've tested many different brands. Some are dramatically better than others. I confess, I've never tasted Ben and Jerry's Cookies and Cream, assuming they make it, but often the Cookies and Creams at the top of my list are the cheap ones like generic brands sold on the cheap shelves of major chains, but not because I'm cheap. I'm happy to pay for quality whether it be things to eat or electronic equipment.

The best C&Cs have chunks from the entire Oreo Cookie, chunks that include the cream filling between chocolate wafers. Many manufacturers just seem to use the cookie dust swept up from the floor at the end of a shift. And the best brand I've found so far happens to be the cheapest one of all, the generic brand sold by Aldis. Some cartons a better than others of course, but that's true of any brand.

But then that's not what this thread is about. Sometimes, I just have to say my piece.
I like their cookies and cream and mint cookies and cream best of any. But still like Haagen Dazs best of all. I can't help it.;)
 
Ha, ha, ha! Very funny! Send all the "whities" back to Europe and the rest to Asia. However, they should take all the schools, hospitals, airports, cars, trucks, medicine, highways, cities, shopping malls, ATVs, boats and everything else built in the last 400 years.

What a croak of nonesense! If Mr. Vladimir Putin was here, he would know what to tell those folks at Ben & Jerry's.
 

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I’m with justdave. None of those pricey gourmet ice creams are better than Dryers or even Krogers own premium ice cream. The last one is hard to write because overall I am not a fan of Kroger. But their premium ice cream is less than half the price of fancy brands and just as good. I do wish they would make Spumoni flavored ice cream.

Back to Ben and Jerry, I think many people are getting tired of corporations shoving what they think are approved views onto the consuming public. If the executives want to support saving the vegan polar bears, let them, contribute their own money and time to the effort. But, don’t point their crooked little fingers of guilt at me, so they can virtue signal to the world how righteous they are. That is what people expect from sanctimonious hypocrites, IMO.
 
I’m with justdave. None of those pricey gourmet ice creams are better than Dryers or even Krogers own premium ice cream. The last one is hard to write because overall I am not a fan of Kroger. But their premium ice cream is less than half the price of fancy brands and just as good. I do wish they would make Spumoni flavored ice cream.

Back to Ben and Jerry, I think many people are getting tired of corporations shoving what they think are approved views onto the consuming public. If the executives want to support saving the vegan polar bears, let them, contribute their own money and time to the effort. But, don’t point their crooked little fingers of guilt at me, so they can virtue signal to the world how righteous they are. That is what people expect from sanctimonious hypocrites, IMO.
Oh, I do like those gourmet ice creams and feel they are miles better, but you're right about corporations. Isn't it their business to sell stuff and not preach to people what to think, what to do, how to live and whom to make reparations to? ;)
 
Funny, in the Wall Street Journal is a story about this.
A Native American Indian Chief from Vermont mentioned that Ben & Jerrys headquarters in Vermont is sitting on Indian land, and he asked that they give back the land under their headquarters in good faith.......no comment from Ben & Jerrys.
 
Apparently, Ben and Jerry's wants the stolen land returned to Native Americans. One might expect the first land to be returned would be the land that the Ben and Jerry's offices and ice cream factories sit on. No. They want to return Mt. Rushmore.
I think many people are getting tired of corporations shoving what they think are approved views onto the consuming public. If the executives want to support saving the vegan polar bears, let them, contribute their own money and time to the effort. But, don’t point their crooked little fingers of guilt at me, so they can virtue signal to the world how righteous they are. That is what people expect from sanctimonious hypocrites, IMO.

STFU and quit preaching, especially if you don't have the courage of your convictions... like setting an example by returning the land your stinking headquarters and factories are on ....

I find this offensive. Why not do something practical. For example, Ben and Jerry's could pay the local tribes rental for the land they currently occupy. They can do it in the form of a contribution of some sort to a fund that will benefit the tribe's members.

.... or putting your money where your big mouth is! 🤨

I haven't bought Ben & Jerry's in years because there are better brands of ice cream. Now, there's another reason not to buy it.

Speaking of ice cream 🍨, this thread tells me we need another thread to discuss favorite brands of ice cream!
 
Speaking of ice cream 🍨, this thread tells me we need another thread to discuss favorite brands of ice cream!

As perhaps mentioned, an indigenous Native American chief in Vermont said he would be open to talking with ice cream maker Ben & Jerry's about taking back the land under its headquarters.

Don Stevens, chief of the Nulhegan Band of The Coosuk Abenaki Nation, told the New York Post that he "looks forward to any kind of correspondence with the brand to see how they can better benefit indigenous people," noting that the company's South Burlington, Vermont, headquarters is on Western Abenaki land.

I suggest that going back a little further, you'll find the Abenaki tribe also took the land from another earlier tribe, and so on and so on. In fact, I think this calls for a title search HA.

The American natives were very violent towards each other. Whichever tribe was on a piece of land when white Europeans displaced them were far from the original occupants. There's evidence of at least one much earlier migration to the continent. We can assume the ancestors of the current natives stole their land and possibly exterminated them.

The pyramid-like temple structure found in the valley that is now occupied by Norris lake in NE TN, is one example. When it was discovered in 1930, the Cherokee explained that a tribe of mound builders were there originally, but they killed and drove them out.

Unless you take a very narrow view of the history of mankind (like some Abrahamic religions that believe the world is only 6000 years old) or if you live in a very remote, desolate, virtually uninhabitable area, you are most likely living on land that was taken by several peoples for thousands of years.

What I'm saying is, unless you are descended from some indigenous tribe of Pacific islander and live there, the chances that you are living on "stolen" land is extremely high ... virtually anywhere in the world.

American history is actually taught exactly the way it happened (mostly). We expose our scars and our truth in classrooms the way other nations never do. Other nations range from white-washing the past to outright denial of their true history. So American kids grow up with self-hate and guilt that children of other nations don't have. Not because their ancestors didn't do the same or worse ... but because their education failed to mention it. So our kids grow up believing we are terrible colonizers and everyone else lives in some b.s. utopia that doesn't exist.

May the Mulvaney Effect swoop in on Ben & Jerry's like a murderous miasma or a putrid phlogiston. And I hope the B&J parent company, Unilever, is pooping angry kittens right now.

Favorite brand of Ice Cream? ... Tillamook Ice Cream for the win !!! :cool:
 

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