Shouldn't animal abusers always go to prison?

Old Salt said:
My daughter tells me veggie burgers are quite tasty. Have you tried them yet? I am on the verge of becoming a vegetarian. Vegan is still too radical for me!
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Can you define veggie burgers? There are veggie burgers like I make using things like black beans, mushrooms, whole wheat flour, spices, etc. Then there are the fake meat burgers made in a factory from things like hydrolyzed pea-protein and a load of stuff whose names fit a chemistry class. I like the former. The factory made Franken-food is another thing all together.

Keep in mind that Oreos, potato chips, cola drinks and a lot of candies are all vegan. You can eat vegan and be on a terrible diet. Heck, you can even get vegan ice cream loaded with sugar and junk to make you fat.
 

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My friend is coming down next week to cut the hedges and what happens, two stupid pigeons have nested in the very part that must be cut back. So what should I do, give them a close shave as the none hedge-cutting period for nesting birds is well over.
 
Brookswood said:
Can you define veggie burgers? There are veggie burgers like I make using things like black beans, mushrooms, whole wheat flour, spices, etc. Then there are the fake meat burgers made in a factory from things like hydrolyzed pea-protein and a load of stuff whose names fit a chemistry class. I like the former. The factory made Franken-food is another thing all together.
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Your veggie burgers certainly sound appetizing but I am talking about the latter, store bought ones. We had company recently who was a vegetarian and my daughter bought the veggie burgers, so not to offend her! She liked them. I guess, as someone else pointed out earlier, if you heap a bunch of condiments on them, they are palatable!
 

Old Salt said:
Your veggie burgers certainly sound appetizing but I am talking about the latter, store bought ones. We had company recently who was a vegetarian and my daughter bought the veggie burgers, so not to offend her! She liked them. I guess, as someone else pointed out earlier, if you heap a bunch of condiments on them, they are palatable!
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Palatable yes. A good choice of words.
 
hollydolly said:
Not in the Uk they don't...


This piece of work...a farrier .. hit a customers terrified horse repeatedly with a Hammer.... while shoeing it .. :mad: :mad:

I tell you now, before you read this story..I want personally to take a hammer to him myself.... I'm just enraged this guy got off with a Ban on keeping animals for just 10 years, and some community service.... even tho' he had a previous of throwing one of his own dogs out of a moving car breaking it's Pelvis... :mad::mad:
How many other animals has he attacked before getting caught...I'll lay money that there's been a lot...


Here is the story... the attack with the hammer was caught on CCTV... I cannot bring myself to watch it..I'll never get it out of my mind...:cry::cry:


Scum beats horse with a hammer
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I can't bear it. Such criminals should actually have the same thing done to them. See how he likes being hit with a hammer. There should be no shortage of volunteers happy to do it to him.
 
Rose65 said:
I can't bear it. Such criminals should actually have the same thing done to them. See how he likes being hit with a hammer. There should be no shortage of volunteers happy to do it to him.
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I would be the first to volunteer... and even more so to the violent Beech part of the hunting set who battered her horse, and was filmed doing it..and taken to court by the RSPCA..and was found not guilty DESPITE Video evidence, or her kicking and slapping her horse...

I can't believe the justice in this country..I'm sick of it...

Video here.. and story
Horse batterer found not guilty
 
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Animals are so much better than humans. They suffer so much and have no voice. Often I am utterly ashamed of us as a species, our capacity to destroy and abuse everything including each other.
 
Brookswood said:
Can you define veggie burgers? There are veggie burgers like I make using things like black beans, mushrooms, whole wheat flour, spices, etc. Then there are the fake meat burgers made in a factory from things like hydrolyzed pea-protein and a load of stuff whose names fit a chemistry class. I like the former. The factory made Franken-food is another thing all together.

Keep in mind that Oreos, potato chips, cola drinks and a lot of candies are all vegan. You can eat vegan and be on a terrible diet. Heck, you can even get vegan ice cream loaded with sugar and junk to make you fat.
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I don't care for the weird texture of most veggie burgers and don't like bean burgers at all.

In my opinion (and that of non-meat eating friends and relatives) Impossible and Beyond Meat's burgers taste very close to beef burgers. I've probably eaten them 4 times in the past year to be sociable at BBQs and prefer Beyond to Impossible. I top them the same as I did beef burgers, no extra condiments required.

Beyond's burgers are a great meat sub for Italian meatballs. Mix 'em in with the other ingredients, brown (they cook very quickly) and eat or freeze. Few would guess they're vegan. Even with them in the freezer, I might have some once a month. Beyond's brats work quite nicely in sausage, peppers and onions, which I make a few times a year.

There's a big difference between eating vegan and eating a whole food plant based (WFPB) diet. My diet is 95% WFPB. Lots of vegetables, fruit, whole grains, beans, potatoes. Vegan foods, as Brookswood pointed out, can include all kinds of junk.

I've been doing this for 9-1/2 years - long enough that eating meat no longer crosses my mind. Don't miss it at all.

p.s. Don't dis on vegan ice cream! It's been around for a very long time to accommodate people who keep kosher. Everyone, even vegans and WFPBers occasionally have a hankering for ice cream, sour cream and cream cheese. Thank goodness for Tofutti!
 
StarSong said:
p.s. Don't dis on vegan ice cream! It's been around for a very long time to accommodate people who keep kosher.
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Kosher ice cream is the absolute worst. Too much sugar. Gross. I schlepped over to my neighborhood Kosher grocery. Ugh for everything in the store; well, the three things I bought; one of which was of course ice cream.
 
hollydolly said:
I would be the first to volunteer... and even more so to the violent Beech part of the hunting set who battered her horse, and was filmed doing it..and taken to court by the RSPCA..and was found not guilty DEPITE Video evidence, or her kicking and slapping her horse...

I can't believe the justice in this country..I'm sick of it...

Video here.. and story
Horse batterer found not guilty
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Maybe she needs to be slapped and kicked.
 
StarSong said:
You're kidding!!! The only people in the US who are issued new identities by the government tend to be mob or gang members who testify against their former brothers and sisters in crime. Sometimes victims of spousal abuse and occasionally people whose identities have been stolen and the problem is inescapable.

But child abusers protected in this way? Nope. Quite the opposite. Convicted sex offenders have to register and their presence, including address, is public knowledge.
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A similar situation in Canada to England for some who negotiate a better release. Karla Homolka was an active participant in torturing and killing some young women. They needed her to confess to convict her husband, Paul Bernardo, so she only served 12 years. The media did search her down, though it’s not widely broadcast.

One of the online stories.
”https://www.fresherslive.com/latest/articles/where-is-karla-homolka-now-2023-1000027224”

In other cases, sexual offenders have to register on an Offender list, if ordered by the judge. Their location is only flagged to the public if the RCMP, etc feel they are a risk to the public.
 
We had a young couple here who had a horse and ended up sleeping in a small car. In the end when she became pregnant they were given accommodation, the downside was they just left the horse behind. Worse perhaps as it was a freezing cold winter and the horse was in the worst field which was white all day with frost as the sun did not get to it, also its water was frozen every day. Unfed it started to go down hill and the RSPCA was contacted and would do nothing until it dropped and instructed not to feed it and all the stable girls agreed (horse lovers). However, I was not having it, some people are talkers and some are doers in life.
The bad news was the horse was a long way from my house, there are 620 acres here and I suffer pain. Still every day that winter I humped 50lb of hot water to it and broke its ice water, also I purchased its food and vitamins and took up to it, adding that the poor thing was delighted to see me coming even from a distance. During that period I was given daily abuse and insults from the girls for feeding it.
In the spring the couple turned up to see what had happened to her horse and there it was, alive and well. So much for the RSPCA and female horse owners.
 
If they didn’t call it Ice Cream I would have not problem with vegan frozen dessert. The same goes with almond milk and similar such beverages. How do you milk a nut or soybean or oat? Just thinking about makes my head spin.:)

Back on topic, I would have a hard time doing any favor for a friend or relative who treated animals badly. It’s a huge warning sign that the person may be a sociopath.
 
Pepper said:
Kosher ice cream is the absolute worst. Too much sugar. Gross. I schlepped over to my neighborhood Kosher grocery. Ugh for everything in the store; well, the three things I bought; one of which was of course ice cream.
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I like Tofutti products. Trader Joe also has some pretty good non-dairy ice creams.
 
hollydolly said:
I would be the first to volunteer... and even more so to the violent Beech part of the hunting set who battered her horse, and was filmed doing it..and taken to court by the RSPCA..and was found not guilty DEPITE Video evidence, or her kicking and slapping her horse...

I can't believe the justice in this country..I'm sick of it...

Video here.. and story
Horse batterer found not guilty
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I just saw that video on the news and it's disgraceful, that woman was kicking and punching that beautiful horse. Upsetting to watch. She deserves everything she got on social media. I'm amazed she was not punished in law.
 
Rose65 said:
I just saw that video on the news and it's disgraceful, that woman was kicking and punching that beautiful horse. Upsetting to watch. She deserves everything she got on social media. I'm amazed she was not punished in law.
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I'm no longer amazed at the British Judiciary system...it's Broken.... ..but I'm furious at this woman getting off, when there was clear evidence she was guilty. I wonder whose palms were being crossed with silver...
 
Brookswood said:
If they didn’t call it Ice Cream I would have not problem with vegan frozen dessert. The same goes with almond milk and similar such beverages. How do you milk a nut or soybean or oat? Just thinking about makes my head spin.:)
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Lots of products have milk and cream in their titles despite having zero connection to mammary glands. Milk of magnesia, coconut milk, cream of tartar, cream of wheat, non-dairy creamers for coffee, etc., never had dairy in them but there was no uproar over their names until the dairy industry started to feel threatened. I've yet to know of anyone who accidentally bought almond milk thinking it was dairy milk.

Vegan "ice cream" manufacturers refer to their products as non-dairy frozen desserts. It's the public (like me) who call them "vegan ice cream."
 
hollydolly said:
I'm no longer amazed at the British Judiciary system...it's Broken.... ..but I'm furious at this woman getting off, when there was clear evidence she was guilty. I wonder whose palms were being crossed with silver...
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You are absolutely correct, I found her actions utterly upsetting. She needed dealing with and I'm glad social media has made her life difficult as she has been whining about.
 
hollydolly said:
I'm no longer amazed at the British Judiciary system...it's Broken.... ..but I'm furious at this woman getting off, when there was clear evidence she was guilty. I wonder whose palms were being crossed with silver...
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Another case of trial by social media. We don't approve so she must be guilty. It's the scum sending death threats and and bullying messages who should be in court.
 
Capt Lightning said:
Another case of trial by social media. We don't approve so she must be guilty. It's the scum sending death threats and and bullying messages who should be in court.
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Yes, much to do about nothing Capt. First, they spent thousands trying to ban fishing and next, it will be your grouse shooting. Love from Spectre.
 
davey said:
couple of weeks in the gorilla cage at London Zoo should tidy him up - he would probably be gelded!
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Nice walk along the canal through the Zoo to Camden Lock Davey, plenty of animals there enjoying a bit of slapping.
 

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