How is the migrant crisis where you live?

No “crisis” in my neck of the woods. Much of the bad stuff in the UK occurred long before there was any hint of a so called “migrant crisis.” The British layabouts outnumber the hard working migrants.

Britain owes a lot to migrants… without workers from abroad our National Health System would collapse.
Migrants are vital in the hospitality industry and many other businesses.
Why, even our PM comes from a migrant background.
I will point out that the first "Race Riot " in the UK took place in 1956, in Notting Hill, west London. Recent Jamaican immigrants, versus the locals. So the problem is not a new thing. In more recent times, the Brixton riots. Today the influx of "asylum seekers " coming across the Channel is a national crisis. I will make the distinction between legal immigrants, and illegals. JimB.
 

There is a difference between legal immigrants & illegal aliens. Legal immigrants come into a country following the laws, go through the hoops to be here & earn their citizenship. Legal immigrants should have a job, be able to support themselves & their families & not rely on tax payer handouts. Illegal aliens are coming across our border pretty much like an invasion, some get caught while others get away.

The illegals who come across are already showing a lack of respect for this country, the citizens & our laws. The first law they have broken is a federal one. Instead of sending them back across the border or to their point of origin, they are being released & we have no idea where they are going to. We don't even really know who they are or what they are about. The number of felons, gang members & terriorsts are coming in as well.

In the last few days I heard about tuberculosis being found at the south border. The U.S. Customs & Borders have confirmed the 3 at the border. My ER Doc friend told me that that the TB coming into our country is antibiotic resistant. Here are two links I found.

MSN

Illegal immigrant kids with tuberculosis infections released into 44 states

We had a fatal school bus accident where a man hit a school bus with a minivan head on & the bus flipped loaded with children headed to their first day of school. A 10-year-old on his way to the first day of school never made it, he was killed. I watched the local news report & then seen the report aired on CBS. The next day the local news said that the man had an invalid Mexican driver's license & had no Ohio drivers license. There was no follow up on CBS. Now there is total silence on this story. The following two links are from the local news.

Student killed, over 20 other students injured after school bus crash in Clark Co.

Driver accused in deadly Clark Co. school bus crash appears in court for bond hearing
 
If emigration wasn't in our DNA, we'd all be living in one town in southern Africa.
Or more likely our species would have died out. Think about horses, they evolved in North America but migrated to Asia, then after they became extinct in North America they came back via [human-assisted] migration. I'm so glad those ancient horses migrated.
 

I have seen and heard quite a lot of discussions on and offline about this issue... and very often I notice that discussion participants confuse "legal immigrants" and undocumented migrants. There's a place not far from me that makes a big deal out of doing ceremonies for people who have done all the paperwork to become citizens and it's a huge celebration... they are a loved and valuable part of the community.

The issue today with thousands pouring over the border daily is totally different from someone wanting to make a better life for their family and obtaining US citizenship the way it's meant to be obtained.
Yes, and it's not just in the U.S. It's a weird global problem except for Poland. Thousands of illegal have been landing all over Europe transported by boat and while some may be undocumented some are of the criminal element. :eek:
 
Yes, and it's not just in the U.S. It's a weird global problem except for Poland. Thousands of illegal have been landing all over Europe transported by boat and while some may be undocumented some are of the criminal element. :eek:
Indeed. And citizens in countries across the Western nations are now fighting back against those Ivory Tower elites that pushed those multicultural and diversity philosophies at the behest of economic powers for the sake of their globalization agendas. Controlled legal immigration can be beneficial while excessive uncontrolled immigration brings a list of societal problems.

Sweden gangs: PM summons army chief after surge in killings

Sweden gangs: PM summons army chief after surge in killings

...Police have linked the violence to poor integration of immigrants, a widening gap between rich and poor and drug use.

Braverman: Multiculturalism has ‘failed’ and threatens security

Braverman: Multiculturalism has ‘failed’ and threatens security

“Multiculturalism makes no demands of the incomer to integrate. It has failed because it allowed people to come to our society and live parallel lives in it. They could be in the society but not of the society. “And, in extreme cases, they could pursue lives aimed at undermining the stability and threatening the security of society.”

She said “the consequence of that failure” are evident “on the streets of cities all over Europe,” pointing to clashes in Leicester as an example. Migration to the UK and Europe in the last 25 years “has been too much, too quick, with too little thought given to integration and the impact on social cohesion”, she said.


The racism of multiculturalism

The racism of multiculturalism

...That prominent, self-touting liberals and left-wingers will now happily defend multiculturalism to the hilt speaks to their profound moral confusion.
 
It's only a matter of time before this great influx leads to the raising of school taxes to educate their kids, and maybe constructing a new school because the old one isn't big enough anymore. Dig deep.
 
Indeed. And citizens in countries across the Western nations are now fighting back against those Ivory Tower elites that pushed those multicultural and diversity philosophies at the behest of economic powers for the sake of their globalization agendas. Controlled legal immigration can be beneficial while excessive uncontrolled immigration brings a list of societal problems.

Sweden gangs: PM summons army chief after surge in killings

Sweden gangs: PM summons army chief after surge in killings

...Police have linked the violence to poor integration of immigrants, a widening gap between rich and poor and drug use.

Braverman: Multiculturalism has ‘failed’ and threatens security

Braverman: Multiculturalism has ‘failed’ and threatens security

“Multiculturalism makes no demands of the incomer to integrate. It has failed because it allowed people to come to our society and live parallel lives in it. They could be in the society but not of the society. “And, in extreme cases, they could pursue lives aimed at undermining the stability and threatening the security of society.”

She said “the consequence of that failure” are evident “on the streets of cities all over Europe,” pointing to clashes in Leicester as an example. Migration to the UK and Europe in the last 25 years “has been too much, too quick, with too little thought given to integration and the impact on social cohesion”, she said.


The racism of multiculturalism

The racism of multiculturalism

...That prominent, self-touting liberals and left-wingers will now happily defend multiculturalism to the hilt speaks to their profound moral confusion.
I agree. Multiculturalism HAS failed. Let's fix what's left. Quickly.
 
It's no mystery why the increase in ILLEGAL imigration is taking place.


May 19, 2023 1:50 PM
Aline Barros
Diverse Nationalities, Professions Among Migrants at US Mexico Border

In the last few months, U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials have noticed a change. Now the majority are fleeing Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, and Haiti. CBP data shows that some are even coming from as far away as China and Afghanistan. On Friday, the Department of Homeland Security reported removing migrants FROM MORE THAN 30 COUNTRIES.

Diverse Nationalities, Professions Among Migrants at US Mexico Border.

I'm waiting for factual report of federal tax money spent for footing the bill for all the ILLEGAL immigrants for housing, food, health care & even including caring for the abandoned children will be generated.
 
I've seen two Hispanics sitting on a bench near the library marveling at their new phones. When my neighbor got new windows, only one of the workers spoke English. When fiber optic cable was being installed on our street, it was the same. Same with roofers on a nearby house. They are coming and will stagnate wages as inflation rises.

If America needs workers, why can't our elected goofballs do legislation to make it orderly and legal. Instead they look away.
Same here in California. Around here a hedge doesn’t get trimmed or a roof repaired by an English speaker. In most Bay Area cities crime is rampant. Low wage immigrants have displaced citizen workers in manual labor jobs, restaurants, etc. Crime in some areas is through the roof. Over 15,000 cars stolen in Oakland and San Francisco so far this year.

Stolen Cars: Over 15,000 Auto Thefts in San Francisco and Oakland This Year
 
I think there is a disconnect between reality and political rhetoric. Yes, immigrants are crime ridden, that's why we should have never let those damn Irish, Germans, Slavs and Italians in, over two hundred years ago. Hell, they couldn't speak proper English. I just can't buy that the natives are so much saintlier than the immigrants that we don't have any home-grown criminals. Are immigrants all over the world having problems assimilating into a new culture? Yes. They are the same problems our ancestors faced when they moved into another part of the globe. Whether we like it or not, waves of immigration are a human trait. If emigration wasn't in our DNA, we'd all be living in one town in southern Africa.
With all due respect I think we have to separate legal Immigrants from those who enter the country illegally. Many of my relatives were legal Immigrants. none snuck in illegally. One had to go back to her home country when a problem arose with paperwork. She later returned after the problem was dealt with in her home country.

Lumping illegals with legals is an insult to the legals, IMO.
 
FWIW, the last time I returned to the USA after being outside our borders, I had to show a passport. And I am a natural born citizen. Yet others cross the southern boarder and show nothing. Why do I need a passport?
 
Here in Canada we have some ethnic groups fighting each other at sporting events. There is a lot more stress, more crime and more violence. I predict more and more of the same in the future. If I had my way I would love to buy some of those water cannons they use in some countries to control violent crime and crazy crowds. Of course, I seldom ever get "my " way! Too Bad!
Thankfully we don't all carry around guns like they do in the US.
 
I have seen and heard quite a lot of discussions on and offline about this issue... and very often I notice that discussion participants confuse "legal immigrants" and undocumented migrants. There's a place not far from me that makes a big deal out of doing ceremonies for people who have done all the paperwork to become citizens and it's a huge celebration... they are a loved and valuable part of the community.

The issue today with thousands pouring over the border daily is totally different from someone wanting to make a better life for their family and obtaining US citizenship the way it's meant to be obtained.
Absolutely ..... that is the difference people do not see the ripple effect and politicians want you to believe they are all legal immigrants
80% seeking asylum do not qualify and after their case is heard they are issued a deportation notice..... they still do not leave.
Those who followed the procedures can work legally .... all others cannot .... they have no visa/ work permit so ANY place hiring them is also breaking the law.... punishable by large fines so why not seek all business that pay into SS/ IRS using fake or duplicate SS # .....
in 2012 SS quit sending letters to business to confirm the SS number of mismatched or ss of dead people.

The businesses knowingly hiring treat them poorly pay very little ( employment law broken )
many huddle together in apartments or houses far exceeding occupancy safety concerns. ( another law broken)
Many Businesses also claim they did not know..... was a murder of college girl by farmhand years ago that a corporate farm claimed he had fake work visa ........ as many forgers flourish to provide Fake documents or Stolen ID ..... these are 2 ways other then under the table cash only that the undocumented work ....... some look the other way because they pay into systems they will NEVER get a dime back from like SS. keeping it afloat millions not tied to anyone who will come forward ( and admit the felony ) to file for benefits.
Some will save up buy a beater car with no license or understanding of rules of the road ....... who cares cause they have already committed maybe a dozen felonies by then.....

when do people care ...... when they get ripped off / their ID stolen .... it hits home otherwise it is some other cities problem or we look the other way ?
perhaps hit by an unlicensed / uninsured and undocumented driver.... ?
maybe 20 ppl an apartment or a house that overloads the electrical and fire hits all others in building/ neighbors whom did not know or where to report. Because they will be ridiculed as Racist....
 
I think there is a disconnect between reality and political rhetoric. Yes, immigrants are crime ridden, that's why we should have never let those damn Irish, Germans, Slavs and Italians in, over two hundred years ago. Hell, they couldn't speak proper English. I just can't buy that the natives are so much saintlier than the immigrants that we don't have any home-grown criminals. Are immigrants all over the world having problems assimilating into a new culture? Yes. They are the same problems our ancestors faced when they moved into another part of the globe. Whether we like it or not, waves of immigration are a human trait. If emigration wasn't in our DNA, we'd all be living in one town in southern Africa.
Those you speak of all came here legally through Ellis Island like my grandparents. Big difference.
 
Do you see violence in the streets now? Is council housing overwhelmed or are the migrants being sent to hotels at your, the taxpayer's, expense? I wasn't sure how bad this all was until it got here. This could be another life changer for me if it gets any worse. :(
social upheaval and willl get worse driven by the obvious-- retired, used to be quite, clean and safe-- no longer safe- still cleanish
 
With the accommodation crisis ongoing I find it very perplexing that the majority of migrants/refugees are being successful in finding accommodation while the "Average Aussie" is being shunned.
I live in an apartment complex of 30 units.
In the last 5 years I have never seen an "Aussie" being shown an empty apartment.
As a result, the ratio of Aussie to foreigners in this complex is 75% foreign, 25% Aussie.
When I moved here those figures were reversed.
I find it sad that ordinary Aussies are being pushed aside for interlopers.
 
There are already a lot of Hispanics in my city and it's been that way for decades. Almost every small business has mostly Hispanic workers. Government offices hire bi-lingual (usually Hispanics) because it has become a necessity. When I went for my mammogram last year, the paper to fill out had English as the second language! I don't know how many are illegals.

We live fairly close to New York City but so far, I don't think we've been directly impacted by the migrant crisis. I feel for those who are though. The cities where they land and are bussed to just can't handle the influx. While I feel sorry for those fleeing their countries for good reasons, how its affecting our U.S. citizens isn't good at all.
 
Why should US citizens be willing to accept "entry level" jobs, when they can make more money from our "social" programs? The recent rise in SNAP benefits is a prime example.....if those people need a pay raise, they just have another child....which will likely be raised on the streets, and keep the police busy in the future.
The largest "ethnicity" in California is already Hispanic/Latino, and the SW states....Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas are also seeing a huge rise. I fully agree with the SW politicians bussing huge numbers of these illegals to NY, and other "blue" cities and States....that may be the best way to finally stem this flow.
Until recently, I've not been much for conspiracy theories. However, it's difficult to look at this situation and see anything less than our government building a large, low cost labor force in an effort to continue to compete globally. Busing the immigrants to various cities in other states likely just makes this low cost labor force available to these other states. It's simply too difficult to compete if the employer is required to pay a living wage. I strongly believe that if the U.S. decides to close the border with Mexico it could be done quite quickly. There's a reason it's left open.
 
It's only a matter of time before this great influx leads to the raising of school taxes to educate their kids, and maybe constructing a new school because the old one isn't big enough anymore. Dig deep.
It would seem that way. The fact is, our education system is rapidly declining. Teachers barely make a living wage and the standard seems to be set to lowest level. I believe it to be part of our government's effort to build an increasingly affordable labor force. I used to think our politicians were completely incompetent, now I believe they are deadly efficient in their pursuits. Simply put, they have much different goals and ideas of what this country should look like than most of the citizens.
 
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I think there is a disconnect between reality and political rhetoric.
Politics seldom has any relationship to reality. It's a mixture of need, greed, fantasy, conditioning, and power. OK, those 5 things and a few more are part of reality in that they exist. They are real, but the actual reality that all of us live in, the one that exists whether we like it or not does not interest the political powers, which trys it's best to gain more power through whatever means possible. As peons, it is our role in life to support it and vote for it, and then cheer for it.
 
It's no mystery why the increase in ILLEGAL imigration is taking place. Now the majority are fleeing Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, and Haiti. CBP data shows that some are even coming from as far away as China and Afghanistan. On Friday, the Department of Homeland Security reported removing migrants FROM MORE THAN 30 COUNTRIES.
I'm currently finishing a book describing the effects in store as global warming becomes more serious. It deals not just with the science, although it fully covers the physical science, but also gets into the issues that science, in it's prudence, does not deal with, specifically politics and human behavior. One whole chapter deals with the mass human migration that will take place. It doesn't refer to it as emigration in the negative context.

It simply calls it "migration," which has been true of humans since they left Africa and ended up still moving about the earth as cave dwellers. The book doesn't refer to it as either something we should welcome or detest, but as one major problem that will increase competition for increasingly scarce resources, be it bread or welfare payments. Existing systems will be taxed to the breaking point. Not taxed, as in people being "taxed". The systems will not be able to handle it and will break. We can like it or not like it. Nothing will change it, and it will make today's political issues seem more like a taste of what is to come.
 
This is nothing more than a program to increase the dwindling voter base. They are losing voters for their movement to Socialism, so they have to get new voters that are willing to trade their votes for a paycheck. Flood the US with millions of illegal aliens, then give them a drivers license and an address, and they will vote to keep the free money coming in.
Most are coming from Venezuela, one of the most poorest country in the world. Why? Because they converted to a dictatorship/authoritarian regime.
Many people won't remember these facts but they should be a blueprint as to what will happen in the US.
First, they took away citizens ability to protect themselves.

Second, they implemented Socialism. There was little pushback because citizens couldn't protect themselves from the military (Federal Police Force was created, much like the path we are on)

Third, As the country became poorer and poorer, the citizens were starving. Many were killed in the civil fighting, the rest started the long trek to the US border. All the while the US is sending 100's of millions of dollars to stabilize Venezuela, only the money went to the dictator and corrupt politicians.

We are in for the same history here in the US. Its only a matter of time.
 
Those you speak of all came here legally through Ellis Island like my grandparents. Big difference.
Yes indeed! This is what I was saying, too... I'm not understanding why the issue of immigrants that do the paperwork and take the citizenship test to become Americans is so often confused with the tens of thousands of undocumented coming in. Totally totally different. America has always had open arms to documented/legal immigrants or most of us wouldn't be here... this has nothing at all to do with those thousands sneaking in. Well, scratch that... there's not a need to sneak any longer. 😞
 
I live in farm country so there's always been lots of guest workers. Some illegals were always in the mix and there would be crackdowns every now and then depending on who was in office.The great majority are hard working people. Most try too speak English and want to be accepted in the community.
What I see now is a super influx. When I go to the store, out and about, it seems the majority around me is often times Hispanic. All speaking Spanish and other languages, in the middle of the day, not working.
How do I feel about this? Uneasy.
 

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