Ohio Election Issue 2: 57% to 43%

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Slightly political topic haha but with a smile.

Ohio-ans by now understanding the sensible practical "Let it Be" dominant nationally cultural attitude generational control change, are now 24th rec legal state. Ohio Issue 2: 57% to 43%.

Ohio Becomes 24th State to Legalize Marijuana

Ohio Issue 2, legalizing recreational marijuana use, has passed. What happens next?

Note was a high school sophomore and junior near Columbus Ohio, the only time I lived outside California growing up.
 

[sarcasm] Yes, it's just what we Ohioans need, more impaired people on our highways. We already have signs up warning us to watch out for the opioid addicts on the road and there have always been plenty of drunks, now we can have them barreling up onto the rear ends of the stoners going 30 on the interstate. We can also increase cartel activity as they tend to take over the farms and have in California. It's recently been proven to cause heart disease and strokes* and has long been associated with schizophrenia and lack of motivation in young people, but who cares so long as you can get high, and be cool like the other states, right?"[/sarcasm]

I voted yes for the amendment to ensure women's right to abortion and no to legalizing marijuana. I think it's a shame that the two very different issues became linked in voter's minds.

Marijuana Use Dramatically Increases Risk of Heart Problems, Stroke*
 
Della said:
cartel activity as they tend to take over the farms and have in California
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Too much Fox News myths. California's farm lands are not devoted to marijuana growing. (I live in California and know the truth.) And, I don't think Ohio's will be either. Myth repudiation must begin NOW since these two new laws puts Ohio squarely in the gunsights of conservatives. The Fox News myth machine will be cranking up loudly during the 2024 election year.
 
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David777 said:
Slightly political topic haha but with a smile.
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Personally, I don't object to your topic for its political flavor. Instead, the remark 'a smile' suggests advocating a political position. Who is smiling? Only the liberals I am sure. And, because of that with THAT being a liberal vs conservative difference does this make it a HOT BUTTON issue? Thus it can't be anything but political. Not just 'slightly'.

I was banned for making a remark about a political personality. That's wrong? But, you are making a remark about a political issue. And, that's O.K.? If so, I haven't a clue what the rule against politics means here on SF. It appears that 'senior members' have more latitude with the rules than do mere 'members'.
 
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Della said:
cartel activity as they tend to take over the farms and have in California.
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This is nothing but Fox News Myth and Propaganda. I live in California and the farms here have not been taken over for marijuana growing by the drug cartel. Propaganda about the new Ohio is going to become loud from now on, and Ohioans will soon see the difference between propaganda and facts. And, that will change minds about a lot of things.
 
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Robb.hisself said:
Too much Fox News myths. California's farm lands are not devoted to marijuana growing. (I live in California and know the truth.) And, I don't think Ohio's will be either. Myth repudiation must begin NOW since these two new laws puts Ohio squarely in the gunsights of conservatives. The Fox News myth machine will be cranking up loudly during the 2024 election year.
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I never watch FOX news and I'm a liberal Democrat. How ridiculous you are to think you can pigeonhole a person on one vote. It's that sort of lock step thinking that has most of the liberals in Ohio thinking they simply must vote to legalize marijuana because that's how all the other liberals are voting.
 
Robb.hisself said:
Personally, I don't object to your topic for its political flavor. Instead, the remark 'a smile' suggests advocating a political position. Who is smiling? Only the liberals I am sure. And, because of that with THAT being a liberal vs conservative difference does this make it a HOT BUTTON issue? Thus it can't be anything but political. Not just 'slightly'.

I was banned for making a remark about a political personality. That's wrong? But, you are making a remark about a political issue. And, that's O.K.? If so, I haven't a clue what the rule against politics means here on SF. It appears that 'senior members' have more latitude with the rules than do mere 'members'.
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One needs to be careful making narrow black and white interpretations of web writings since there isn't non-verbal context. In the above, I purposely quite vaguely added "Slightly political topic haha but with a smile.", not narrowly as a personal judgment of the issue though indeed one might interpret it so, but rather to vaguely point any discussion of that result away from negatively emotional responses since if one has a smile, it is difficult to be angry.

In any case just to be clear since I purposely did not state such, I do support Ohio people passing the measure just as I will in other still illegal states and especially federally not because of personal reasons but rather in the spirit of "Let it Be", prefer to allow significant minority groups in our free society with different cultural interests to do whatever as long as whatever doesn't significantly negatively affect the majority. Of course, that is a balance society must judge.

In that same way, I'm fine siding loosely as someone not familiar with much desired by many gender advocates even though I don't personally subscribe to any. Though still loosely lean against some of the more controversial issues being pushed like allowing male trans to compete in women's sports. With this specific drug issue there is and has been for decades a significant segment of our society, especially those from my generation, music genre cultures, and AAs, that have been manipulatively punished, suppressed, and oppressed.
 
Robb.hisself said:
California's farm lands are not devoted to marijuana growing. (I live in California and know the truth.)
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You should get out more. California had the most cannabis cultivation licenses of any state in the United States in 2022, by far. That year, there were 6,881 such licenses in the state compared with 1,406 in Oregon
 
Based on traffic deaths over the years, drunken brawls, and broken families , I think folks that are so "horrified" by pot smokers should be leading the charge to reinstate Prohibition.

Then again, possibly the thought of having to forego the local pubs, the evening wine sipping and/or week-end beer blasts discourages these thoughts.
 
I wonder why pro-marijuana people always bring up alcohol. It's like saying we have this one legal form of mind altering substance that causes all kinds of trouble. Lets have another!

FYI I don't drink and I would be all for prohibition except that we tried that and it didn't work, mainly because alcohol was such an ingrained part of society. In another fifty years marijuana will be just as ingrained and there will be no going backwards. Instead people will be legalizing cocaine and fentanyl with the very same arguments about freeing up space in our prisons and more revenue for the state coffers.

Note: when you're arguing with someone and you put a word in quotes it implies that they said that. No one here has said they were horrified.
 
Della said:
I never watch FOX news and I'm a liberal Democrat. How ridiculous you are to think you can pigeonhole a person on one vote. It's that sort of lock step thinking that has most of the liberals in Ohio thinking they simply must vote to legalize marijuana because that's how all the other liberals are voting.
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I am addressing the subject at hand, not you. Do you see the term 'you' in my remarks? If you see you maybe you need to change from personal orientation to issue orientation and stop taking things personally. A change of frame of mind does change a lot of things.
 
Della said:
Note: when you're arguing with someone and you put a word in quotes it implies that they said that. No one here has said they were horrified.
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I don't think anyone is arguing here. In this discussion all that is going on is participants are giving their points of view. As you said "No one here has said they were horrified." That's true. And, I don't think DaveA is referring to anyone here.
 
Della said:
I wonder why pro-marijuana people always bring up alcohol. It's like saying we have this one legal form of mind altering substance that causes all kinds of trouble. Lets have another!

FYI I don't drink and I would be all for prohibition except that we tried that and it didn't work, mainly because alcohol was such an ingrained part of society. In another fifty years marijuana will be just as ingrained and there will be no going backwards. Instead people will be legalizing cocaine and fentanyl with the very same arguments about freeing up space in our prisons and more revenue for the state coffers.

Note: when you're arguing with someone and you put a word in quotes it implies that they said that. No one here has said they were horrified.
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Just 2 notes, Della. I join you in being a non-drinker but wonder where you gathered that I was "pro-marijuana" ? I partake of neither, whether that's bad or good. And you are probably correct in saying that I should have skipped the quotation marks and horrified. I'm probably a good candidate for the language police to keep an eye on. 😄
 
Since this is an Ohio issue, and having lived in Ohio for a total of 64 years, I can tell you that Meigs county, which is along the Ohio River, has long had a reputation for growing potent weed. High THC content, apparently based on the soil and weather. I'm not a user so this is based on heresay.

One of my uncles bought a 100 acres down there because he liked to hunt, and it had a cabin on it, he and his hunting friends used to get away from the women folk. They all liked a cold beer or 3 but were not pot smokers. And they soon found out there were a couple of small sections that was best to avoid.

Of course, now I think all the pot growers just stay home and cook meth instead....
 
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Robb.hisself said:
I am addressing the subject at hand, not you. Do you see the term 'you' in my remarks? If you see you maybe you need to change from personal orientation to issue orientation and stop taking things personally. A change of frame of mind does change a lot of things.
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Sorry, Robb, since you quoted me at the top of your post I thought you were talking to me just as I'm talking to you now. My mistake.
 
This sounds just as baiting and divisive as any other overt political thread. I'm not saying the intent was to get users to "mark" themselves through their responses, but it sure seems to be operating that way already. Isn't Thanksgiving already coming soon enough for knock-down drag-out family feuds to erupt?
 
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This sounds just as baiting and divisive as any other overt political thread. I'm not saying the intent was to get users to "mark" themselves through their responses, but it sure seems to be operating that way already. Isn't Thanksgiving already coming soon enough for knock-down drag-out family feuds to erupt?
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It's a debate about legalizing marijuana. That should not be political, it's got nothing to do with any particular politicians. Same with abortion. We've debated both these issues before and politics only come into it if someone decides to bring it in.

There are people who will do that on any issue. I can be watching a music video or movie on YouTube and there will be some guy saying we can't have good stuff like this anymore because of the darn (blanks) ruining the country. It's not the subject it's the people who can't leave politics out of it.
 
I have run into too many "medical marijuana users" whose vehicles, as well as themselves, stink to high heaven.

From walking past cars in parking lots, to the users themselves in stores & even being beside vehicles at roadway intersections, you can smell the marijuana. If the odor is coming from their cars, don't you think they are smoking while they're driving. I just don't think they are sitting in their car in the driveway at home smoking.

I have a problems breathing around cigarette smoke & the odor that's left from those. The smoke from marijuana is even worse.

I have no use for any intoxicated person, no matter what their choice of intoxicants (legal or illegal) may be, that are behind the wheel of a vehicle or operating a piece of machinery or equipment where someone can be hurt or killed. What about stoners at work in other jobs? Has any thought gone into that?

IMO, there's more to the issue of legalizing marijuana that I feel have been overlooked.
 
Della said:
[sarcasm] Yes, it's just what we Ohioans need, more impaired people on our highways. We already have signs up warning us to watch out for the opioid addicts on the road and there have always been plenty of drunks, now we can have them barreling up onto the rear ends of the stoners going 30 on the interstate. We can also increase cartel activity as they tend to take over the farms and have in California. It's recently been proven to cause heart disease and strokes* and has long been associated with schizophrenia and lack of motivation in young people, but who cares so long as you can get high, and be cool like the other states, right?"[/sarcasm]

I voted yes for the amendment to ensure women's right to abortion and no to legalizing marijuana. I think it's a shame that the two very different issues became linked in voter's minds.

Marijuana Use Dramatically Increases Risk of Heart Problems, Stroke*
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Being from California, I've forgotten where it isn't legal. New dispensary just opened up in my town.

I wanted to try some edibles when I fully retire to calm my racing thoughts but that stroke risk is scary. I may not now.
 
What you do, @Remy, is start on low THC dosages and built up, if you can and want to. Never do more than you "need." I don't believe the stroke risk is there if you follow this.

A great tension reliever, saving what's left of my sanity.
 

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