Ohio Election Issue 2: 57% to 43%

Remy said:
Being from California, I've forgotten where it isn't legal. New dispensary just opened up in my town.

I wanted to try some edibles when I fully retire to calm my racing thoughts but that stroke risk is scary. I may not now.
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That's the thing Remy, I just feel that there are far more risks than many people are aware of.

I first heard about weed in 1966. We all thought we were really cool and at that time It kind of was, mainly only musicians and radical college students were smoking it.

I can still remember my older brother telling me it was perfectly safe, it was natural, if more people smoked it there would be no more wars and great art would come from it's influence. Well time passed and everyone and their old uncle were doing it and we're still waiting for the peace train. My other brother and I had two pack a day cigarette habits for almost 30 years and we're still here.

The older one who never smoked cigarettes, but had a daily marijuana habit has died of mouth cancer.

There are so many negatives that we don't even have stats for, the number of crimes committed under the influence for example. Police haven't been keeping records but most say that almost everyone they arrest is stoned.

States that have legalized it have already found many tragedies where children and pets have got hold of it.

It's already established that use by young people can increase risks of schizophrenia, bipolar, depression and can lower IQ's by as much as ten points. Who wants that for their children?
 

Agree we must be really tough and not allow our kids to THC @Della. I scared my son out of it since he was little, telling him he couldn't get away with it, that I would always know. And I would have always known.
 
Della said:
You should get out more. California had the most cannabis cultivation licenses of any state in the United States in 2022, by far. That year, there were 6,881 such licenses in the state compared with 1,406 in Oregon
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According to a study done by the University of California at Berkeley out of 27 million acres devoted to agriculture in California less than 2000 acres are devoted to marijuana cultivation. So we don't need to stew over its vastness.
 

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Thanks Della for your inputs. Good to read in balance how those opposed think and feel. Again note, I'm am not nor have ever been one publicly engaged in the issue beyond terse web comments. And my reason for offering the thread herein was not to debate or try to influence members in this small web community. There is already enough information online for those in drug use debates to spend years digesting. A good way to bore one to sleep. I will say and practice as one that greatly values clarity of mind, being in human body homeostatic chemical balance, free from ANY drugs outside of necessary medicine is the wiser day to day choice in life.

This link provides comprehensive links to those on both sides of the issue:

The Drug Legalization Debate

This link a starting point into its difficult labyrinth:

Schaffer Library of Drug Policy

And this link specific to hemp/weed

General Information on Marijuana/Hemp

New post election Gallup poll:

Grassroots Support for Legalizing Marijuana Hits Record 70%
snippets:

The latest results are based on a Gallup poll conducted Oct. 2-23. Aside from those in favor, 29% of U.S. adults think marijuana should not be legal, while 1% are unsure...
The July poll also found a slight majority of Americans expressing low concern about the effect of regular marijuana use on adults, although they were more uneasy about the effects on young adult and teen users.

More national stats here:

https://americanmarijuana.org/marij...ational_Marijuana_Consumer_Behavior_in_the_US

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@Della You make some good points in the above post. Peace and love hasn't won out and pot wasn't about to change that.

I can laugh if I watch an old Dragnet episode (they were running it here for awhile) and it's a big damn deal when someone is caught with marijuana. I don't want people getting prison terms for personal use. I think that is a decent change.

I'm sorry about your sibling. What a terrible form of cancer. I smoked for about 5 years but quit at 25. The risk of drugs including fentanyl with kids and pets is not to be discounted.
 
Thanks David those graphs are very interesting. The education one's a real stumper. One thing is for sure with 70% in favor of legalization I might as well just sit back and watch what happens.

On a lighter note, we've noticed the staff shortages at all the restaurants around here ever since Covid restrictions were lifted, so we understand the owners can't be too picky. At a couple of places we frequent the waitresses are either all stoned or deeply in love with us. Dilated eyes and beaming smiles are rather pleasant, but one time after waiting almost an hour for our food to come up we found out our waitress had drifted on home and taken our order along with her.
 
My husband uses edibles (and rarely vapes) for pain relief for back problems - compressed and bulging discs plus arthritis. Way better than opioids, which are nearly impossible to get legally these days anyway.

I'd rather be in pain than take a Vicodin (hydrocodone) and a lot of others feel the same way.

Many seniors use various strains to help them sleep or relive chronic pain. We've had several discussions on SF on that very topic over the years.

One last comment. I'd be far more nervous across a stranger high on alcohol than MJ. The link between alcohol consumption and anger/aggression has been well documented in numerous studies. MJ and aggression is much less common.

I've seen plenty of people pick physical fights when drunk, but never once from people stoned on MJ. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it sure isn't an everyday occurrence.

MJ has been widely used since the 60s. All states are doing now is decriminalizing it.
 
Della said:
.....but one time after waiting almost an hour for our food to come up we found out our waitress had drifted on home and taken our order along with her.
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That happened to me last night, I swear! The AccessARide driver who was supposed to pick me up to go home went home, taking the company car with him! I don't know if he was stoned. Glad he went home if he was. AAR is bad enough when it's good.
 
StarSong said:
My husband uses edibles (and rarely vapes) for pain relief for back problems - compressed and bulging discs plus arthritis. Way better than opioids, which are nearly impossible to get legally these days anyway.

I'd rather be in pain than take a Vicodin (hydrocodone) and a lot of others feel the same way.

Many seniors use various strains to help them sleep or relive chronic pain. We've had several discussions on SF on that very topic over the years.

One last comment. I'd be far more nervous across a stranger high on alcohol than MJ. The link between alcohol consumption and anger/aggression has been well documented in numerous studies. MJ and aggression is much less common.

I've seen plenty of people pick physical fights when drunk, but never once from people stoned on MJ. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it sure isn't an everyday occurrence.

MJ has been widely used since the 60s. All states are doing now is decriminalizing it.
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I'd be far more nervous with a stranger on crack or meth than on MJ or alcohol. I first heard of crack cocaine in the 1970s. My dentist's nanny was high on it when she killed his baby. It's been around a long time I hope people don't decide to decriminalize it.
 
This is an interesting book, Tell Your Children. You can read it (or not) & decide for yourself what you think. The following exert is from the Simon & Schuster website about the book is about:

Tell Your Children

Recreational marijuana is now legal in nine states. Advocates argue cannabis can help everyone from veterans to cancer sufferers. But legalization has been built on myths—that marijuana arrests fill prisons; that most doctors want to use cannabis as medicine; that it can somehow stem the opiate epidemic; that it is beneficial for mental health. In this meticulously reported book, Alex Berenson, a former New York Times reporter, explodes those myths, explaining that almost no one is in prison for marijuana; a tiny fraction of doctors write most authorizations for medical marijuana, mostly for people who have already used; and marijuana use is linked to opiate and cocaine use. Most of all, THC—the chemical in marijuana responsible for the drug’s high—can cause psychotic episodes.

“Alex Berenson has a reporter’s tenacity, a novelist’s imagination, and an outsider’s knack for asking intemperate questions” (Malcolm Gladwell, The New Yorker), as he ranges from the London institute that is home to the scientists who helped prove the cannabis-psychosis link to the Colorado prison where a man now serves a thirty-year sentence after eating a THC-laced candy bar and killing his wife. He sticks to the facts, and they are devastating.

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Della said:
I'd be far more nervous with a stranger on crack or meth than on MJ or alcohol. I first heard of crack cocaine in the 1970s. My dentist's nanny was high on it when she killed his baby. It's been around a long time I hope people don't decide to decriminalize it.
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I agree with you about wondering if someone will try to decriminalize any other illegal substance.

I remember the first time an out of state group tried to legalize marijuana years ago in Ohio & it failed. Then they came back for medical marijuana & got that passed. They continued until they got recreational marijuana passed.

It's all about the Benjamin's they will make & they won't have live the results of takes place in Ohio.
 
Della said:
I'd be far more nervous with a stranger on crack or meth than on MJ or alcohol. I first heard of crack cocaine in the 1970s. My dentist's nanny was high on it when she killed his baby. It's been around a long time I hope people don't decide to decriminalize it.
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For sure I agree about crack or meth. What a tragedy for your dentist. I can't even imagine it. 😢
 
Lilac said:
This is an interesting book, Tell Your Children. You can read it (or not) & decide for yourself what you think. The following exert is from the Simon & Schuster website about the book is about:

Tell Your Children

Recreational marijuana is now legal in nine states. Advocates argue cannabis can help everyone from veterans to cancer sufferers. But legalization has been built on myths—that marijuana arrests fill prisons; that most doctors want to use cannabis as medicine; that it can somehow stem the opiate epidemic; that it is beneficial for mental health. In this meticulously reported book, Alex Berenson, a former New York Times reporter, explodes those myths, explaining that almost no one is in prison for marijuana; a tiny fraction of doctors write most authorizations for medical marijuana, mostly for people who have already used; and marijuana use is linked to opiate and cocaine use. Most of all, THC—the chemical in marijuana responsible for the drug’s high—can cause psychotic episodes.

“Alex Berenson has a reporter’s tenacity, a novelist’s imagination, and an outsider’s knack for asking intemperate questions” (Malcolm Gladwell, The New Yorker), as he ranges from the London institute that is home to the scientists who helped prove the cannabis-psychosis link to the Colorado prison where a man now serves a thirty-year sentence after eating a THC-laced candy bar and killing his wife. He sticks to the facts, and they are devastating.

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I just checked this ebook out from the library. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
 
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Germany’s Coalition Government Reaches Deal on Weed Legalization

Rather surprised to read that recreational weed will soon be legal in Germany though medical weed had become legal in many EU countries and a few countries had decriminalized possession. However to this time, only Georgia along the Black Sea has had outright legalization. Just as in the USA, the lack of expected significant issues once medical use was approved from those against use, has increasingly been shown to not be of much concern. And given Germany is seen as a leader, will likely lead to other European nations doing so.

I do believe legalization has negative issues but not of as much significance for those usually voiced. For those myriad humans with unexciting, uninteresting, even boring lives, it can easily become a regular habit that for many though not all, tends to replace otherwise societal productive activities just like excessively watching TV or playing video games for some has been.

The below Wikipedia article has world countries maps on legal status.

Legality of cannabis - Wikipedia
 
David777 said:
Slightly political topic haha but with a smile.

Ohio-ans by now understanding the sensible practical "Let it Be" dominant nationally cultural attitude generational control change, are now 24th rec legal state. Ohio Issue 2: 57% to 43%.

Ohio Becomes 24th State to Legalize Marijuana

Ohio Issue 2, legalizing recreational marijuana use, has passed. What happens next?

Note was a high school sophomore and junior near Columbus Ohio, the only time I lived outside California growing up.
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My question is what good is it if the State of Ohio says what you do is legal, and the "Feds" arrest you for the same exact use as a' federal crime'?
Isn't it time to amend federal law?
 
Indeed, a glass half full.

Any users in a recreation legal state, doing so on any federal lands, and that in any way publicly promote use, set themselves up as targets to be made an example of, by those against use. Many celebrities have been paying that price when traveling elsewhere for decades to the extent, most clam up lest they get busted at airports.

Unfortunately, the issue has become a political football so anti politicians will only allow change after their supporting constituents change that is not likely anytime soon. The feds drooling over taxes may cut that short enough that they allow a change from Level III, and allow banking. I would like states to remain in control as to whether, when, and how whatever is implemented instead of shoving it down citizen's throats, where it isn't wanted.

The Level III to I change would be quite important as they could no longer punish small users as felonies for minor possession, an immense threat.
 
Legalizing pot is long overdue. But in Fla they restricted the growers so the politicians buddies could get the licenses and the big money. My foray into the evil weed, was 73-74, Sr in HS. It was fun but messed up my starting on the basketball team. I soon got a job and did much less (construction). Then college I was done. I paid to much to interfere with it. My 2 best friends that I did it with have NEVER stopped.

They now get exotic strains from Colorado some how. I tried it. I must be immune or messed up for it now. I tried two jays with them A friend gave me while fishing. Made me feel bad..........even tried gummies from my brother to sleep better..........nothing............Im all for people to find something that calms them or helps them sleep like this or for pain.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
My question is what good is it if the State of Ohio says what you do is legal, and the "Feds" arrest you for the same exact use as a' federal crime'?
Isn't it time to amend federal law?
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The Feds are not technically interested in penny ante stuff. They deal more in bulk possession, bulk distribution, and Interstate crimes. It would be more in line with charging state legislature members who voted for it with Conspiracy to violate Federal law, not nailing small fries.
 
As noted, police in many states still nail individuals and as noted it is a huge deterrent against use on vast areas of federal public lands.

Four-in-ten U.S. drug arrests in 2018 were for marijuana offenses – mostly possession

Police officers made about 663,000 arrests for marijuana-related offenses in the 50 states and the District of Columbia in 2018, amounting to 40% of the 1.65 million total drug arrests in the U.S. that year (the most recent for which data is available).
 

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