Suspect claims pot psychosis made her stab/kill boyfriend, stab her dog and self.

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A murder suspect in California is claiming a pot psychosis episode made her stab her boyfriend 100 times, her dog then herself. A shrink said the fact she stabbed the dog shows she was experiencing somekind of psychosis.

Calif. woman says cannabis made her psychotic, stab boyfriend 100 times

Psychosis is possible side effect of excess or prolonged pot use but is unclear if she was a pot addict. I guess pot will be the modern day twinkie defense. Which I believe also came out of California
 

Della said:
Cases of marijuana causing violence are not that rare.
From the NIH:
A Review of Cases of Marijuana and Violence
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I've read, heard and seen that. I've seen pot heads that seem to be some of the most miserable people or pull a Robert Conrad and dare you to look at them with I'm gonna cut you attitude.

I think she's pulling the pot defense because I think she's still in her 20s and that's supposedly when pot side effects really start kicking in if they started young. Also when schizophrenia starts. She's probably using that defense to claim it triggered schizophrenia.
 
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Why do people act like anyone who uses the insanity defense is getting away with something? If she goes down for murder she will probably do less than 20 years. If she is found not guilty by reason of insanity she will go directly to a lockdown psychiatric hospital and may stay for the rest of her life in a much more unpleasant environment.
 
Della said:
Why do people act like anyone who uses the insanity defense is getting away with something?
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I don't feel that way.

I just happened to remember I had real bad emotional reactions to my period and knew many other women who did as well. I believe, I've seen some data, that women are more apt to commit crimes in general when experiencing their periods.

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Don't buy the pot psychosis, not without a lot of background on her, the murderer.
 
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Packerjohn said:
SURE! SURE! Blame someone else or something else but never blame yourself. It's the way of the world today.
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We believe doctors when they say someone has liver disease or heart disease or lung disease, but if the doctor says they have brain disease it's all BS and people refusing to blame themselves.

Well, I take that back, for years we didn't believe doctors when they said smoking tobacco caused lung disease, they just already had lung disease, right?
 
This is a very interesting book to read (or not), Tell Your Children by Alex Berenson. In it, it discusses homicides people have committed while under the influence of marijuana.

The one thing about the new marijuana that is out there, is that it is not the marijuana from the 1960s. Plants today have been & are continuing to be genetically modified to have higher THC contents. IMO, if someone thinks it's the same as it always has been, they're mistaken.

The following is from the Simon & Schuster website about the book:

In “a brilliant antidote to all the…false narratives about pot” (American Thinker), an award-winning author and former New York Times reporter reveals the link between teenage marijuana use and mental illness, and a hidden epidemic of violence caused by the drug—facts the media have ignored as the United States rushes to legalize cannabis.

Recreational marijuana is now legal in nine states. Advocates argue cannabis can help everyone from veterans to cancer sufferers. But legalization has been built on myths—that marijuana arrests fill prisons; that most doctors want to use cannabis as medicine; that it can somehow stem the opiate epidemic; that it is beneficial for mental health. In this meticulously reported book, Alex Berenson, a former New York Times reporter, explodes those myths, explaining that almost no one is in prison for marijuana; a tiny fraction of doctors write most authorizations for medical marijuana, mostly for people who have already used; and marijuana use is linked to opiate and cocaine use. Most of all, THC—the chemical in marijuana responsible for the drug’s high—can cause psychotic episodes.

“Alex Berenson has a reporter’s tenacity, a novelist’s imagination, and an outsider’s knack for asking intemperate questions” (Malcolm Gladwell, The New Yorker), as he ranges from the London institute that is home to the scientists who helped prove the cannabis-psychosis link to the Colorado prison where a man now serves a thirty-year sentence after eating a THC-laced candy bar and killing his wife. He sticks to the facts, and they are devastating.
 
What that leaves out is many drug users are using multiple drugs, especially alcohol, so such research studies using a hodgepodge of crude law enforcement recording statistics to point criminal activity as a primary contributing factor to any one drug they use, is by nature flawed with limited value. By the same fallacy of partial association reasoning, THC can be connected to thieving done by crack heads since many also use that stuff.

But yeah anti drug advocates have and still say with a biased structure, a lot in public because in this Internet era they can still probably reach a few that would otherwise be doomed by their own unfortunate out of control situation. While large numbers of others are fine with that freedom of lifestyle choice. In other words, the strategy for society ought be one of balance between the rest of us trying to make our little lives worth living during this precious fleeting existence and those that are allergic to coffee beans so can't drink any and think that ain't fare.
 
the reality is if bought from street dealer it is often laced with other things. I personally think many people react differently to drugs... even legal Over the counter type things ..... most people only imagine ... the funny mellow person that is hungry.... when they think pot users perhaps people should at least consider it is not one size fits all.
 
Judycat said:
Reefer madness.
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I have a friend who e-mailed me congratulations for Ohio legalizing pot. She assumed I was in favor of it. I wrote back and said I had voted against it because of all the latest studies showing that it causes strokes, heart disease and mental illness.

Her reply was, well you can't trust studies, look at Reefer Madness. I was shocked to find out that she, valedictorian of my high-school, thought a 1936 sexploitation film (a thirties version of Girls Gone Wild) was an actual government produced film.

I told her that I actually did trust studies when done done by the National Institute of Health and the American Heart Association. These are scientific studies that would have hundreds of subjects and would, of course, control for (throw out) anything where the subjects were using other drugs or alcohol at the same time or already had those diseases.

As far as I'm concerned anyone who uses the silliness of a cheaply made thirties art house film as evidence that all anti-pot evidence is equally silly, is missing some critical thinking powers. I didn't say that to her. I didn't want to ruin a 67 year-old friendship.
 
She can call it what she wants, it’s still murder. I have heard stories of other people kill for reasons beyond belief and give reasons that made no sense. We investigated a murder of a man that killed his wife and blamed it on his diet pills. His attorney told the court that each time he took a diet pill, it made him act out of character. There were multiple medical people that testified, about 4 or 5 and only one of them agreed that one of the chemicals in the pills could cause a mental malfunction. The defendant was found guilty of second degree felony murder.

There was a lot more to the investigation that helped the jury arrive at the verdict. He was an abuser and she had been cheating on him.
 
This woman thoroughly tenderized her beloved by stabbing him 100 times. Then it dawned on her that some might think that was a bad thing to do.
So, of course," I'm crazy so I stabbed the dog and myself."
The " I'm crazy" defense is pretty common. So far, the "pot mad me do it" is only what some defense lawyer came up with. I'm no legal eagle, but the problem with using a chronic pot defense is that she knew how it affected her, and yet she continued to use it. It's the same defense drunk drivers use, which got shot down by courts.
 
911 said:
She can call it what she wants, it’s still murder.
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So why have trials? Anytime one person kills another they're guilty of murder, period?

She took a substance known to alter brain function. He did not. She also killed her dog and tried to kill herself. He did not. She had no known motivation. He did. I'm not seeing how the two cases relate to each other.
 

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