A question for Vegans!

MrPants said:
So maybe I missed the answer to this but is the motivation for being a vegan about a healthier lifestyle or is it about protesting harm to animals and their biproducts being consumed by humans?
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In my mind, and I might be wrong, Vegans were always about protesting harm to animals. I still remember the good old days when they delighted to throw paint on ladies' fur coats! Vegetarianism is about a healthier lifestyle!??
 

Oris Borloff said:
Have you ever had turkey bacon? Being a "foodie" I had been curious about, but never enough to buy a whole package. I also couldn't figure out why it was being pushed as "healthier" because I'd looked at the info on the package, it was always for 1 piece, regular bacon usually was 2 pieces.

The one chance I was served it was the day after my triple bypass. Since I wasn't awake to fill out a menu the nurses ordered for me. Two strips of turkey bacon on the plate, I wasn't up for eating anything at the time. I've heard it's pretty nasty stuff too. Where I'm at now, I don't think I missed much.
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I've tried it .. not bad, in my opinion.
 
MarciKS said:
i should just convert because i eat so little meat. here's an article on 6 types. some of which eat certain things....
6 Types of Vegetarian Diets: A Dietitian Explains
the first one listed looks appealing to me. i wasn't aware there were so many.
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Lacto-Ovo- vegetarianism actually sounds quite sensible. I would like to see fish included, though, since I have read that they are not capable of feeling pain, but with all the misinformation out there, that might be wrong!
 

Old Salt said:
I would like to see fish included, though, since I have read that they are not capable of feeling pain, but with all the misinformation out there, that might be wrong!
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Yeah... like how would anyone KNOW? More like a talking head trying to justify something... "oh, it's okay, they don't feel it." Like the dentist used to tell us... "won't feel a thing." I actually bit him once for lying. (Don't look at me like that, Salty... it's not like I was an adult!) šŸ¤­
 
old medic said:
I have a good friend thats a strict vegan due to his religious believes. One day I walk in, smell bacon, and hes eating some... So of course I take advantage of the moment. He says it's Vegan Bacon and offered me a piece.... NASTY... I mean just plan nasty... I grab the packaging and read the ingredient's... looked like a chemical shipping list for a weapons factory.
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that's what my estranged husband eats..fake bacon, fake steak ( Plant based).. he kept urging me to taste it, and I did... horrible...
 
Oris Borloff said:
@Old Salt Excellant Question. What MarciKS posted pretty much outlines the different types of diets and the some of the reasons people eat that way. I eat a vegan diet, I am not an ethical vegan. According to those who really need to care, I would be referred to as a strict vegetarian--means I don't consume animal products. I do it for health reasons, which if you're interested I'll go into detail.

The reason ethical vegans don't consume dairy is that cows are perpetually kept pregnant to produce milk. The male calves are separated from their mothers and often killed, both practices they deem as animal cruelty. Female calves are kept for milk production and the cycle starts all over again. Those who are vegan for the environment are also against livestock in general because it uses more resources and can cause environmental damage from converting forrest eco systems to agriculture to grow feed for animals, run off pollution, green house gas emissions, etc. They also eschew other animal by products , the most obvious being leather.

Eggs the issue is that male chicks are separated, destroyed, and often used as chicken feed-- keeping only the female chicks for laying stock. Also some of the conditions of commercial chicken farming are also considered quite cruel, like the conditions the animals are housed in.

I know there are a lot of stereotypes out there about vegans, but I'm the only vegan I know in real 3D life. I have an online friend who became plant based, but in fact eats vegan again for health reasons.

I'm not one of those people who are a vegan activist, or feel all that superior about my stance. In fact, the only people I care about what they eat are myself, my wife, and anyone we have invited over for a meal.

Both my wife's and my experience with the health benefits of changing our diets is enough reward. That and it makes washing up dishes, so much easier. I mean that quite literally. When I first decided to try eating this way it was a 2 week test, what kept me motivated really was how quick and easy clean up was. I'm someone that loves to cook, dishes-- not so much.
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I can't thank you enough, @Oris Borloff! Finally an answer that makes a great deal of sense to me! I was not aware of what was going on behind the scenes and only did one thing for the animals, I bought free range eggs only! Even that is tainted because I read recently that the chickens are not necessarily allowed to roam in a field but are considered "free range" if they are allowed to wander around the barn and basically eat the same food as the caged ones. Well, at least they are not jammed together like in one of those factory farms.
 
CallMeKate said:
Yeah... like how would anyone KNOW? More like a talking head trying to justify something... "oh, it's okay, they don't feel it." Like the dentist used to tell us... "won't feel a thing." I actually bit him once for lying. (Don't look at me like that, Salty... it's not like I was an adult!) šŸ¤­
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I shouldn't laugh, Kate, but the last sentence was priceless! :LOL:
 
"The best eggs come from chickens raised on silken pillows stuffed with human hair, and then only used to hatch more chickens."

Sorry, I have a migraine and my tolerance of megapolitan Eloi is running thin.
 
Old Salt said:
I can't thank you enough, @Oris Borloff! Finally an answer that makes a great deal of sense to me! I was not aware of what was going on behind the scenes and only did one thing for the animals, I bought free range eggs only! Even that is tainted because I read recently that the chickens are not necessarily allowed to roam in a field but are considered "free range" if they are allowed to wander around the barn and basically eat the same food as the caged ones. Well, at least they are not jammed together like in one of those factory farms.
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I'm glad I could be of help.

You can get real free range eggs if you live near someone who raises chickens. Often the eggs have a more colorful yolk, (due to what people feed them) and are often vastly fresher.
 
A few years back a friend of mine told me about a new trend among the super wealthy. Hiring personal chefs to prepare food for their pet chickens. I have no idea if this was a joke or real. My immediate response was, "THAT is the definition of having too much money"
 
Oris Borloff said:
I'm glad I could be of help.

You can get real free range eggs if you live near someone who raises chickens. Often the eggs have a more colorful yolk, (due to what people feed them) and are often vastly fresher.
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Oh, God, I wish you hadn't mentioned that, @Oris Borloff! I have been looking for the tasty, orange yolked eggs of my youth for years and can't find them anywhere. My daughter picked up fresh farmer's eggs at the market recently and I was terribly disappointed because the yolk was the same pale yellow as the supermarket ones and the eggs didn't taste any better! I only had the satisfaction of knowing that the chicken were humanely treated (I hope!)
 
Old Salt said:
I didn't get that one either. I remember "Eloi" from my theology classes but don't understand the sentence! :)
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I tried to look it up, too... even Google doesn't know the phrase together like that. I only know Eloi from "my God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me" too... so probably another cut against Christians if I'd have to guess. It gets old. And tiring.
 
I buy Organic eggs from the farm shop.... the yolks are orange..I love Duck eggs as well

The supermarket sells mostly free range eggs...this is where mass produced free range eggs come from...in the uk

free+range+hens.jpg



and in the USA...

"Free-Range" Poultry and Eggs: Not All They're Cracked Up To Be - UPC
 
Old Salt said:
Oh, God, I wish you hadn't mentioned that, @Oris Borloff! I have been looking for the tasty, orange yolked eggs of my youth for years and can't find them anywhere. My daughter picked up fresh farmer's eggs at the market recently and I was terribly disappointed because the yolk was the same pale yellow as the supermarket ones and the eggs didn't taste any better! I only had the satisfaction of knowing that the chicken were humanely treated (I hope!)
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I do apologize, I didn't mean to, but for me it's par for the course. Where I live they aren't too hard too come by. They are free range because they're out in the farm yard, like they have been for generations. Really other than the welfare of the animal, people that feed chickens a variety of scraps and allow them to scratch around for edible critters seem to be what makes the difference, of course I don't have the best palate.

I never could really taste a difference in eggs, but visually they were much more appealing. The freshness did matter as to how it cooked and the resulting texture.
 
Oris Borloff said:
@Old Salt Excellant Question. What MarciKS posted pretty much outlines the different types of diets and the some of the reasons people eat that way. I eat a vegan diet, I am not an ethical vegan. According to those who really need to care, I would be referred to as a strict vegetarian--means I don't consume animal products. I do it for health reasons, which if you're interested I'll go into detail.

The reason ethical vegans don't consume dairy is that cows are perpetually kept pregnant to produce milk. The male calves are separated from their mothers and often killed, both practices they deem as animal cruelty. Female calves are kept for milk production and the cycle starts all over again. Those who are vegan for the environment are also against livestock in general because it uses more resources and can cause environmental damage from converting forrest eco systems to agriculture to grow feed for animals, run off pollution, green house gas emissions, etc. They also eschew other animal by products , the most obvious being leather.

Eggs the issue is that male chicks are separated, destroyed, and often used as chicken feed-- keeping only the female chicks for laying stock. Also some of the conditions of commercial chicken farming are also considered quite cruel, like the conditions the animals are housed in.

I know there are a lot of stereotypes out there about vegans, but I'm the only vegan I know in real 3D life. I have an online friend who became plant based, but in fact eats vegan again for health reasons.

I'm not one of those people who are a vegan activist, or feel all that superior about my stance. In fact, the only people I care about what they eat are myself, my wife, and anyone we have invited over for a meal.

Both my wife's and my experience with the health benefits of changing our diets is enough reward. That and it makes washing up dishes, so much easier. I mean that quite literally. When I first decided to try eating this way it was a 2 week test, what kept me motivated really was how quick and easy clean up was. I'm someone that loves to cook, dishes-- not so much.
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Very well said, Oris.

I became a vegan nearly ten years ago after happening on the movie, Vegucated, a real-life horror story that shows the truth of factory farming. A few days later I watched, Forks Over Knives, which focused on the tremendous health benefits of humans eschewing animal products in our diets. DH & I changed our eating habits immediately.

After a couple of years of quite strict veganism, I morphed into what my nephew admiringly calls me: "a practical vegan," meaning I don't make hosts crazy with what I can and cannot eat. If the only option is something with a little dairy or fish, I eat it without a fuss. Meat? I eat around it. If I'm traveling abroad and the local specialty is a certain kind of fish or (as in the case of Spain) a particular ham, I eat it. Once.

At least five years ago, I moved from vegan to a Whole Food Plant Based (WFPB) diet. Foods can be vegan and unhealtful, and specialty vegan foods tend to be especially fat and chemical laden.

Cow's milk? Never. Almond and oat milk are good subs. Cheese is another matter. Non-dairy cheeses don't cut it for pizza and other recipes, and are no healthier than dairy cheese, so I sometimes eat cheese, but about 5% of what I ate before. What was once a couple of times a day is now once every couple of weeks, and far less of it per serving.

Butter? This is the time of year when I use a lot of butter. There's just no good substitute for real butter in cookies. As someone who makes thousands of Christmas cookies every holiday season, I've searched diligently. Other baked goods do fine with substituting applesauce.

Meat? No. Fish? A couple of times a month, mostly when I'm in a restaurant and can't find anything else on the menu (besides veggie burgers, which I don't like).

Ground flax or other options often work as egg substitues for baking, but don't do well with cookies, so I do buy and bake with eggs this time of year. Perhaps twice a year I'll eat eggs for breakfast. Other than that, no.

My husband is a lacto-ovo WFPB, meaning he generally eats WFPB but also eats eggs and some cheese. Also fish when we're in a restaurant.

The thing is, if we went back to the practice where livestock farms were small with animals who were well treated, and people didn't insist on eating animals and dairy as part of EVERY SINGLE MEAL, the planet and the creatures on it, humans included, would be a lot healthier.
 
Has literature died out already?

Eloi - Wikipedia

By the year AD 802,701, humanity has diverged into two separate species: the Eloi and the Morlocks. The Eloi live a banal life of ease on the surface of the Earth while the Morlocks live underground, tending machinery and providing food, clothing, and inventory for the Eloi. The narration suggests that the divergence of species may have been the result of a widening separation between social classes. The Eloi are suggested to be the descendants of a privileged, surface-dwelling, upper class, which once dominated the subterranean working class.
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