Two year old forced to take part in Rosa Parks re-enactment

Having lived in the USA, I can tell you that British newspapers are sold at very select stores, and then out of date. They're not what you'd call "widely available". I mean, you can buy The Sun over there too, but you'd have to do a lot of looking to find it.

One way or the other, The Daily Mail has a reputation for publishing right-wing propaganda and nonsense, and is not an outlet to be taken seriously.
they are completely available online.. throughout the western world.. the Daily Mail has a dedicated USA section....

Home | Daily Mail Online

We're not talking about the Sun the Star. The mirror or the Enquirer here..
 

they are completely available online.. throughout the western world.. the Daily Mail has a dedicated USA section....

Home | Daily Mail Online

We're not talking about the Sun the Star. The mirror or the Enquirer here..

ANYTHING is available via the web - but to equate that with "being widely available" is ridiculous. It's as available as Bob's website, or white supremacists sites. It's on a Google search, that's it.

If you are insinuating that there are a large number of Americans reading the Daily Mail, then I ask you to prove it and show us the data. Because honestly, the US market will be minuscule. And regardless of numbers, the Daily Mail is a terrible media outlet with no credibility. I mean, it has no credibility in the UK, do you think it has more abroad? The reason Americans, and anyone else, can read it is because it's not behind a paywall.

So let's see the numbers.

ps: The Daily Mail isn't even as good as The Star. At least the Star is funny.
 
Grow up !

Holly, what does "grow up" mean? What have I written that isn't grown up? How about you back up what you've insinuated? You've suggested it's "widely available" because it's on the net without a paywall. Are you serious? Do you really think that equates to lots of Americans reading it?

It's a simple question, and a very adult one. So please, stop being reactionary (although a Daily Mail reader probably is) and let's discuss it. You've written something, let's validate it. If you have the numbers, I'll apologize and move on. You know, like an adult.
 
Daycare centers don’t hire teachers although they call them teachers. They hire childcare workers with the minimum required qualifications for the job.

When kids are old enough they learn about racism in schools but by having the teacher explain the concept and then discussion can happen. It’s not appropriate to role play racism at any age for obvious reasons . 2 year olds are learning to share and not to hit each other.

Obviously the teacher was given a horrible lesson plan by the school. I can’t imagine any sane person not questioning doing this. Some things are too horrible to role play. Also this is definitely not age appropriate. There seems to be only one person on this thread that doesn’t understand this concept.
 
You have to wonder where do they get these teachers from! I agree that Black children need to be taught about racism because at some point they're likely to face it and being blindsided would be confusing and traumatic, but there's a way to do it, and this wasn't it. Plus I think at that age, it should come from parents but unfortunately we can't trust that all parents will do their due diligence with this issue. @VaughanJB

@hearlady At age two I certainly hope she's potty trained!
 
You have to wonder where do they get these teachers from! I agree that Black children need to be taught about racism because at some point they're likely to face it and being blindsided would be confusing and traumatic, but there's a way to do it, and this wasn't it. Plus I think at that age, it should come from parents but unfortunately we can't trust that all parents will do their due diligence with this issue. @VaughanJB

@hearlady At age two I certainly hope she's potty trained!

Obviously, the teacher in this case got it slightly wrong. I don't think anyone is applauding their actions. That said, a measured response is called for, imo. Kids play acting with toys (in this case cuffs) isn't the end of the world. Teachers have to walk a very fine line these days. I don't think we know anything about the curriculum she was using. Racism is an important topic, and I'm not against it being taught at this age. The best method to do that? Well, I'll leave it to educators to figure out.
 
There seems to be only one person on this thread that doesn’t understand this concept.

Would that be me? :D

I likely understand this topic as well as most. I'm just not into laying into teachers because a two year old cried. No real harm has been done, imo. Yet here we are making an international news story about it. I just think this is typical of the social media age, where drama is good for clicks.
 
Would that be me? :D

I likely understand this topic as well as most. I'm just not into laying into teachers because a two year old cried. No real harm has been done, imo. Yet here we are making an international news story about it. I just think this is typical of the social media age, where drama is good for clicks.
Yes it would be and I would venture to guess you aren’t a parent because if you were you would know how inappropriate this is.
 
When my daughter was about 7 years old, she was standing beside me when I was talking to a friend. I had mentioned the ''little black boy'' in her class in reference to his mum and dad... and couldn't remember the little boys' name

At that time we had no Black people living in our area, or at my daughter's school.

I asked my daughter his name.. she said she didn't know.. and I pressed her harder and said you do know because you play with him.. and she said forcefully ''mum there is no black boy in my class''.. and she meant it

This was 40 years ago.. long before inclusion laws etc... the fact was , she didn't see him as different to any of the other children..so she didn't see his colour

My point being that, those 2 year olds wouldn't have known that there were kids of a different colour in their class, until it was forced upon them by their teacher.. and now they do know, they will see them as different.
 
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Would that be me? :D

I likely understand this topic as well as most. I'm just not into laying into teachers because a two year old cried. No real harm has been done, imo. Yet here we are making an international news story about it. I just think this is typical of the social media age, where drama is good for clicks.
The fact that the NAACP has gotten involved indicates the seriousness of the impropriety of this situation. Social media has nothing to do with that. Yes, teachers these days have to walk a fine line and sometimes those lines are blurry. I feel for them too, believe me. But geesh...they need to let common sense prevail.
 
Yes it would be and I would venture to guess you aren’t a parent because if you were you would know how inappropriate this is.

Interesting - I'm not really on board with demanding people pass some qualifier in order to have an opinion. I mean, we talk about the law, but we're not in law enforcement. We talk about migrants, but most have never been a migrant, or even met one and had a conversation. The idea that only a parent could possibly know what a two year old is capable of learning about is just a bit strange, imo.

Still, if you read my posts, I have not said this is the way I'd teach the subject. I've just stated that it's a sensationalist story, from a rubbish newspaper, written to hype people up and create some outrage. What happened to the days when a mistake was forgivable? And oh, two year olds are VERY resilient.
 
The fact that the NAACP has gotten involved indicates the seriousness of the impropriety of this situation. Social media has nothing to do with that. Yes, teachers these days have to walk a fine line and sometimes those lines are blurry. I feel for them too, believe me. But geesh...they need to let common sense prevail.

You know what they say about common sense, it's not that common. Still, was this topic discussed - in the same way - in any other class? I've no idea. Let's say the teacher made a mistake and try not to ruin their life.
 
You know what they say about common sense, it's not that common. Still, was this topic discussed - in the same way - in any other class? I've no idea. Let's say the teacher made a mistake and try not to ruin their life.
The only person that should learn from this is the idiot who came up with the idea and I doubt it’s a daycare worker. It probably came from her supervisor. It could be explained why this is a bad idea.

They are not “teachers.” This is not a career and the turnover rate is high because it’s low paid and exhausting. It’s hard work taking care of babies and toddlers.
 
The only person that should learn from this is the idiot who came up with the idea and I doubt it’s a daycare worker. It probably came from her supervisor. It could be explained why this is a bad idea.

They are not “teachers.” This is not a career and the turnover rate is high because it’s low paid and exhausting. It’s hard work taking care of babies and toddlers.

It's less work if you handcuff them. :D
 
Interesting - I'm not really on board with demanding people pass some qualifier in order to have an opinion. I mean, we talk about the law, but we're not in law enforcement. We talk about migrants, but most have never been a migrant, or even met one and had a conversation. The idea that only a parent could possibly know what a two year old is capable of learning about is just a bit strange, imo.

Still, if you read my posts, I have not said this is the way I'd teach the subject. I've just stated that it's a sensationalist story, from a rubbish newspaper, written to hype people up and create some outrage. What happened to the days when a mistake was forgivable? And oh, two year olds are VERY resilient.
I think the difference with little children is that too often, people who aren't parents may be unfamiliar with how little kids brains work and perceive things. You can't talk to a two year old and expect them to understand things like adults would understand those things. Especially abstract concepts. They are tiny, new people who have no basis, no foundation for discussions like racism. In some cases, they're not even good at sharing yet when there's treats for everyone. Parents are more likely to be familiar with how little kids learn and experience things.

And children are resilient to a degree, but fear and adrenalin affects their little brains a great deal more and for longer than those do to adults.

On the other hand, we adults have often moved to new locations, felt that sense of instability and uncertainty, or had problems of our own with the law or know someone who did, or thought through the ramifications of such difficulties .....so we all have some at least vague idea that we can base a discussion on.
 
I think the difference with little children is that too often, people who aren't parents may be unfamiliar with how little kids brains work and perceive things. You can't talk to a two year old and expect them to understand things like adults would understand those things. Especially abstract concepts. They are tiny, new people who have no basis, no foundation for discussions like racism. In some cases, they're not even good at sharing yet when there's treats for everyone. Parents are more likely to be familiar with how little kids learn and experience things.

And children are resilient to a degree, but fear and adrenalin affects their little brains a great deal more and for longer than those do to adults.

On the other hand, we adults have often moved to new locations, felt that sense of instability and uncertainty, or had problems of our own with the law or know someone who did, or thought through the ramifications of such difficulties .....so we all have some at least vague idea that we can base a discussion on.

Well, yesterday was quite a day. :D

There was some strange compartmentalization that was going only yesterday. In this thread, there is suggestion that childless couples - for whatever reason - really shouldn't have a say, or should have it demeaned, because you know, a full adult human couldn't possibly understand the brain of a two year old. And then, in an immigration thread, there was a suggestion that if you're not American, you shouldn't have an opinion on US policy regarding the issue. Sounds like a good way to shut out ideas, especially ones you may not like, to me. It's also a little odd when it comes to a seniors forum. All of us here have a lifetime that's been trundling on for some time. You never know, we might have learned things, even contrary things.

But it also talks to me of - can't attack the argument, so attack the messenger. If I don't like something someone has posted, I'll either pass it by, or reply. If I reply, I reply to the points made, not the personal themself. Let's be honest, none of us truly know anyone on here, but we can assume the vast majority are only here to share things.

In my initial post in this thread I posed the following questions:

When is it too young to teach about racism?
At two years of age, what is the best way to tackle such a topic?
What methods are most effective in teaching the young about this insidious problem?

The answer seems to be - Shhhhh don't mention it. Pretend it's not an issue until they're old enough to know when they've been discriminated against, or indeed, when you're discriminating.
 
well just so everyone knows this was not only reported in the so called rubbish Daily Mail...
Anyone who took a moment to research knows that it happened here in Florida. It doesn't matter which media outlet was chosen to bring here to discuss the story. Kind of upsetting that we feel the need to have to "prove" articles we post because of... what? Not sure what the definition of trolling is. As someone mentioned earlier, there's only been one person kicking against the pricks, (yes, that's a real term and it's Biblical although some translations use "goads") so wouldn't that point toward trolling? (No opinion, just asking.)

Anyhow, thank you for bringing this up for discussion. It's unsettling to discover that anyone (even just one person) condones such racism as having a white toddler handcuff a black toddler to fingerprint. @hollydolly
 


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