New Video Shows Thousands of Migrants Headed on Foot to Southern US Border

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December 15, 2023
 

Boy, I reenter this thread with some trepidation. I have been giving this some thought.

It occurs to me that the major issue here is two-fold.

1) Certain parties are demonizing individual immigrants. They're criminals, diseased, drug dealing/addicted scum who don't belong.

2) By redirecting peoples anger at the migrant themselves, those in power are too busy point scoring to discuss the matter in the correct manner.

For point 1, I make the point I made earlier. If you were in a country/situation where you could not feed your children, or yourself, or you were going to lose your life due to persecution or bombings from various factions, what would you do for your family? I hope the answer is that you'd do just about anything. As such, the aspiration to move to a place of (relative) safety is to applauded. What price would you put on a young life? The desire to protect, and flourish, isn't a bad thing, it's a good thing for us all.

For point 2, I ask "what is the path to a solution?" There is the idea that if countries (and this is truly a global issue, not based in anywhere exclusively) didn't try and help migrants, then "our own" would get more assistance. This is a false premise. It's simply not how government works, it's not how social funding works, and it's never going to be the case. If the government (and it's successive governments, not any single one) wanted to help vets, they could. Today. Migrants or not. If they can find money to support wars in Ukraine and Israel, they can find money to house vets. There simply isn't the political will to make it happen.

We should all remember, and keep in mind, that country is letting migrants into the country on a person by person basis. That is, they're not interviewing them as assessing whether their case is sympathetic enough, or that they have the right qualifications, etc. Again, this simply is not how it works. What happens is the migrants have to go through a process, and at each step of the way the authorities will follow the law. Migrants are walked through the process, step by step, but there's no special dispensation. The rules are the rules.

As such, if you think too many Migrants are being allowed in, the answer isn't to attack the migrant, you should be going after the lawmakers. They are the people who can pass tighter restrictions. Too commonly, the media (mostly the so called Alternative Media) attack the migrant, when the migrant is simply trying to stay alive. If you look at the numbers, the vast majority of migrants are not economic migrants, they're escaping war/famine.

Of course, you have two kinds of entry - through normal port of call, or "jumping the fence". The latter has been common in the US (from Mexico), as noted earlier in the thread, for decades. But of course, people doing that aren't registering as a migrant, so only estimates exist.

I think the best place to aim your anger is at the laws in place. We should also remember that if we choose to bomb a country, we are likely to start a migrant problem from that location (if you look at the list of countries where most migrants originate from, it's a list of war-torn fascistic regimes).
 
You have a point. But ...

We do have some laws in place (including the Constitution), but they're not being enforced, or they're being countermanded by the federal government when, for instance, the Governor of Texas tries to do something about it.

U.S. Constitution — Article 4, Section 4:​
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/

Anyway ... I'm not against people immigrating to the United States; I just think it should be done the right, lawful way.
 
You have a point. But ...

We do have some laws in place (including the Constitution), but they're not being enforced, or they're being countermanded by the federal government when, for instance, the Governor of Texas tries to do something about it.

U.S. Constitution — Article 4, Section 4:​
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/

Anyway ... I'm not against people immigrating to the United States; I just think it should be done the right, lawful way.

In your quote - what is the definition of "invasion"?
 
In your quote - what is the definition of "invasion"?
Look it up.

The reason I feel this way is that, looking at the videos of people coming into the U.S. illegally, they are almost totally not "families" ... they are almost entirely young-ish men.

Bear in mind that I'm just one person posting on a forum. The government certainly doesn't contact me to see what I think. They do whatever they do on their own.
 
Look it up.

The reason I feel this way is that, looking at the videos of people coming into the U.S. illegally, they are almost totally not "families" ... they are almost entirely young-ish men.
Not so young, Devi. In my neighborhood seeing lots of men in their forties, even fifties, or maybe they just look worse for wear.

My neighborhood is mirror to the world. Really, there's not one nationality not nearby.
 
Not so young, Devi. In my neighborhood seeing lots of men in their forties, even fifties, or maybe they just look worse for wear.

My neighborhood is mirror to the world. Really, there's not one nationality not nearby.
Okay; understood. Although NYC is not exactly at the Texas border! I'm just speaking of the videos I've seen.

Anyway, I'm about done with this.
 
Look it up.

The reason I feel this way is that, looking at the videos of people coming into the U.S. illegally, they are almost totally not "families" ... they are almost entirely young-ish men.

Bear in mind that I'm just one person posting on a forum. The government certainly doesn't contact me to see what I think. They do whatever they do on their own.

Well, I did look it up, and assumed you had too.

Here's a page about, for example, Texas:

The Meaning of Invasion Under the Compact Clause of the U.S. Constitution

What I'm trying to understand is how migration is an "invasion" in this context.

Blacks Law Dictionary defines it as: "An encroachment upon the rights of another; the incursion of an army for conquest or plunder."

Again, how would that apply?
 
To be honest, I'm not a Constitutional lawyer, and I've spent enough time on this thread.

But regardless of whatever definition of "invasion" you care to apply (or not apply) ... there are specified legal ways to enter the country, and what's being done dies not conform to those methods.

Over to y'all.
 
To be honest, I'm not a Constitutional lawyer, and I've spent enough time on this thread.

But regardless of whatever definition of "invasion" you care to apply (or not apply) ... there are specified legal ways to enter the country, and what's being done dies not conform to those methods.

Over to y'all.

Indeed, and I stated, there are two kinds of migration. One is "legal" at entry points, and the other is people crossing the border by "jumping the fence".

However, keep in mind, "148 million out of 179 million total" migrants come through legal entry points. They're not jumping the fence.
 
i guess people just need to agree to disagree ........
many are let in waiting for a 3 million case backlog on asylum requests... 80% is the average that do NOT qualify.... many never even show up for their hearing. They have 30 days to leave the country but no enforcement of that mean many stay.
Many stay after tourist/ and student visas run out as well.
How are these people living ... working illegally? or some other way? many families who are undocumented receive welfare and other social programs....

The point is there IS a legal process ... and those fleeing countries can seek asylum in first relatively safe country perhaps Mexico not just march through to the country they decide they want....
that is no longer seeking safety but a premeditated crime in many cases to either sneak in or knowing claim asylum wait years for a hearing the court says NO ........but stay anyway ... who cares.....

I find it hypocritical of any groups who seem to think........ "well yes some bad people will be in the mix but it is worth it" ( unless it effects them) .... "yes there is a legal process but this shortcut is faster so what "

So many come in illegally (felony) / often work illegally (felony)........ if they cannot find work in companies following the law we can only speculate how they are housing or feeding themselves ? my guess may be more crimes but as they are undocumented who care laws do not apply.
Yet so many object to anyone calling people felons..........in order to make anyone objecting look bad some purposely blur the line between those who immigrated LEGALLY and those who did not .... the then throw the trigger word RACIST to try to shut discussion down as well. it is not about race... but do we have the rule of law or NOT.
What makes other think most laws are flexible and pick and chose what to follow. Or that fake ignorance of law is a free pass....

Seriously what laws do people find so flexible on a case by case basis ..... UNLESS they disagree then " the law is the law"
 
We've known the immigration policies have needed sweeping reform for decades now. Seems like each and every administration just plays kick the can to the next one. Its obviously a very difficult and complicated thing to do but it needs to be tackled "now". Hub and I were down in South Padre Island (near the Texas border and it was incredible how many Border Patrol agents we saw. The line up at the "porta-podies" were long...lol.

The"coyotes" make a lot of money where the immigrant populations are concerned. The countries that could care less how their people overpopulate and then work hard for years, only to line the coyotes pockets with their hard earned money when they leave to make the harsh journey to America should have their American funds yanked back until they get their houses in order. Follow the buck. Several countries are responsible for illegal immigrants with Mexico being the highest, even though Mexican illegals have been reduced in the last few years.

U.S. Government Support to El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Mexico During the COVID-19 Pandemic - United States Department of State
What we know about unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S.
 
I haven't seen an argument regarding flaws in the current immigration laws. I would prefer to see any issues regarding lawful immigration addressed and have the law enforced.
 
The "illegal" immigration of the US comes primarily from 4 nations- Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, and Haiti. Because the US opposes the regimes in each of these nations, the US has caused great economic hardships on them. And "illegals" are fleeing the impoverishment. I think if a nation brings about the economic destabling of another nation, it should reap all the ramifications of that destabilization.
 
For some people it's NIMBY so for them it is also "no problemo."

The last two people I know of personally who were deported for illegal immigration are from the UK. It's actually pretty common.
 
I try to stay out of threads like this on this forum, but I did come across this information online and it does help to explain why we see these men in the pictures looking clean and well-dressed (new shows, phones, etc) and with only a small backpack, if that, as they are walking along to cross the border.
There is no way that people could walk that far and still look as fresh as many of these illegals look by the time they get to Texas. Another worrisome thing is that many of these people are not just walking up from Central America, but are coming from places much further away, even Africa and China, from what I have been reading.

We have a lot of Hispanics in our part of town, and most of these are families, they work, take good care of their children, and seem to be good neighbors, so I have no problem with illegals who are actually coming here to make a better life for themself and their children.
The ones who come here with a militant attitude, waving their country’s flag and hate Americans, are the ones that i do not like having in the United States.


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the border problem can be successfully dealt with if we start insisting our elected reps stop fighting personal wars and get back to the job they were hired to do. If they can’t, we need to have the guts to fire them. We elected and often re-elected the people who let this mess happen.
 
In your quote - what is the definition of "invasion"?
Well, one definition from the American Heritage Dictionary, “An intrusion or encroachment”

Seems appropriate in the subject of this discussion …

Here are some numbers, incomplete for 2023, but still enormous.

”How many migrants crossed the border in 2023?
More than 2.8 million migrants have had encounters with authorities so far this fiscal year, compared to more than 2.7 million migrants in 2022, according to the latest Customs and Border Protection (CBP) statistics. The current migrant figure includes August, but not September, the last month of this fiscal year, which has yet to be announced.”
'New normal': High number of migrants crossing border not likely to slow
I would add that those numbers are derived from “encounters”. How many more evaded encounter?

Sounds like the dictionary definition of an invasion? Does to me.
 
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Sounds like a perfect reason for worldwide increase in contraception and abortion - and just generally limiting the size of families. We are in danger of over populating this earth
 


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