What a slap in the face,' for Maine's taxpayers and homeless

Knight

Knight

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Smaller towns now helping with the immigrant "crisis".

Immigrants this week started moving in to 24 one- and two-bedroom apartments in an attractive, recently-finished three-story clapboard block on the edge of the leafy coastal town of Brunswick, about 30 miles north of Portland.

State officials said they were welcoming in hard-up newcomers, and one of the migrants to win a home said it was a 'palace' compared to the shelters and hotels she had been sleeping in.
But commentators quickly slammed the decision to spend a reported $3.5 million on 60 migrant families, when so many others struggle to pay rents or have to sleep rough in one of America's chilliest states.

Brunswick, Maine Population 2024
16,554

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This is just another example of how the entire illegal immigrant problem is being mishandled. Taxpayers/citizens are going to be fleeced out of billions of dollars until the government begins to truly enforce illegal immigration....fat chance on that.
 
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Knight said:
Immigrants this week started moving in to 24 one- and two-bedroom apartments in an attractive, recently-finished three-story clapboard block on the edge of the leafy coastal town of Brunswick, about 30 miles north of Portland.
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I was reading recently about how there are between 35k and 36k [known] homeless veterans in the U.S. Wonder how many of those are in Maine and would love a safe and warm home right now? đŸ„ș
 

Somewhere there most likely is a Tax Write-off. What's the catch?
Is it our Rich American generosity? A town of 16500 welcomes to
its new Condo / Apartment dwellings. We had a New Double Wide
Hog house that we kept 2 Migrant families in during Tomato harvest
time. From July till September. 30 farmers / 60 families in the area.
Harvesting around 35 tons to the acre. They would then move on
to top Sugar Beets for other farmers. We tried to retain them until
1st frost with a Season Ending $0.05 cent per Peck Basket Picked bonus
for the season but they seldom stayed. Returning to Texas for the winter.
For the ones that stayed it was well over $1000 / $2500 bonus. Back then
$100 a week pay was good money. My parents paid me $0.25 and hour
To load and haul them Pecks of Tomatoes from the fields. So I earned
$1.50 - $2.00 dollars a day. Bought my own first vehicle.

I wonder what these specialties are that they do in Maine. Lobster fish ?

Doen Brunswick, Maine have fishing industry - Bing
There you have, catching, cleaning and cooking fish dinners. I
remember fish and lobster dinners when I was in New York State.
Not as many meat meals. New Englanders gunning as hard as
they can for Texas / Georgia / the Carolinas and Florida. Imports /
exports. There it is, replacements for those left them. Taxpayers
Expense. There always is an angle. Maybe the accurate label
is the "Gig Law." Always, there is an angle. Follow the money trail.
 
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First generation immigrants - legal or illegal - are some of the hardest working people we know. They contribute their fair share to the economy - some of our greatest businesses were started by immigrants, please remember!

Immigrants and other minorities have started up more than 50% of new small businesses in CA for many years.

I'm a third generation of an immigrant family. My grandparents never did learn English, but all eight of their children worked, married, and were solidly middle-class. That second generation was mostly unable to go to college, but every single one of the third generation graduated college, many with advanced degrees.

My spouse is a first-gen immigrant and retired with 42 yrs of service in government. Let those who are without sin, cast the first stones.
 
Is this what passes as a "luxury apartment" these days?

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I don't think we can draw false equivalents, as though if migrants weren't being given housing, it would automatically be given to vets. This is not how it had been working, and is not how it would work post the migrant issue.
 
No Elevators attached to the buildings. A Hard-Working family in there.
Remember, "I have a Dream?"

I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory 

 
Lethe200 said:
First generation immigrants - legal or illegal - are some of the hardest working people we know. They contribute their fair share to the economy - some of our greatest businesses were started by immigrants, please remember!

Immigrants and other minorities have started up more than 50% of new small businesses in CA for many years.

I'm a third generation of an immigrant family. My grandparents never did learn English, but all eight of their children worked, married, and were solidly middle-class. That second generation was mostly unable to go to college, but every single one of the third generation graduated college, many with advanced degrees.

My spouse is a first-gen immigrant and retired with 42 yrs of service in government. Let those who are without sin, cast the first stones.
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Even the linked article says: "Though they can be unpopular in some quarters, studies have shown that asylum seekers and migrants are more entrepreneurial and hardworking than US-born populations."

Sadly, some are trying to make capital out of claiming these people are all criminals, have diseases, and are terrorists. Demonize them further and you get applause on social media. Such is life.
 
This happened in Ireland 10 years ago, and is probably still happening. 20 or 30 'migrants' (illegals) show up in a small town and get free housing in hotels, while the locals ask why they have to provide housing for illegals, and the politicians say 'tough luck'.

It's all coordinated from high level Non Governmental Organizations (NGO's) and the UN. It's planned, and has been planned for years. They know the countries who are forced to have them do not want them, but they do it anyway, and no one is stopping them (with the possible exception of a former president).

Have you ever noticed that you can't vote on a referendum that states the border will be enforced? The politicians want this migration to happen.
 
VaughanJB said:
Even the linked article says: "Though they can be unpopular in some quarters, studies have shown that asylum seekers and migrants are more entrepreneurial and hardworking than US-born populations."

Sadly, some are trying to make capital out of claiming these people are all criminals, have diseases, and are terrorists. Demonize them further and you get applause on social media. Such is life.
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You should write articles for the media. That part about making capital about "
these people are all criminals, have diseases, and are terrorists.
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is sensational.

That almost sounds like you honestly believe none are criminal, none have disease & mixed in there are no terrorists. You didn't post a source to contradict media posts about criminal elements, disease & terrorists
 
@VaughanJB

Off topic but curiosity got the better of me. In other posts you took the position you were an immigrant. Among other places immigrating for a period of 18 years to America. You didn't mention if you were poorly educated, I don't think you mentioned if you were employed. You for sure didn't mention if you entered illegally & sought amnesty.

So what's your story? Poor, uneducated, unemployed or something else?
 
Immigrants are not evil, morally diseased curs from hell, nor are they holy noble saints, they are human beings with all their good and bad. The idea, that a nation's population is static and unchanging, is not true. People are flocking to wherever there is economic opportunity. Immigration was never appreciated by locals since they put sticks together to make a hut. We may not like it, but people vote with their feet, and the only proven way of stopping immigration is by killing immigrants, ala North Korea. And I don't care how many generations have lived on a land, they originally were immigrants from someplace else.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Immigrants are not evil, morally diseased curs from hell, nor are they holy noble saints, they are human beings with all their good and bad.
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Once again we seem to be confusing immigration (which is wonderful and part of America's fiber) with tens of thousands of ILLEGAL people, some on the FBI terrorist watch list pouring over the border. Doesn't "illegal" mean anything to people? I'll be honest and admit I'm having a LOT of trouble with this confusion... I'm not grasping why the confusion exists. We welcome immigrants and always have. This border thing isn't even the same subject.
 
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fuzzybuddy said:
Immigrants are not evil, morally diseased curs from hell, nor are they holy noble saints, they are human beings with all their good and bad. The idea, that a nation's population is static and unchanging, is not true. People are flocking to wherever there is economic opportunity. Immigration was never appreciated by locals since they put sticks together to make a hut. We may not like it, but people vote with their feet, and the only proven way of stopping immigration is by killing immigrants, ala North Korea. And I don't care how many generations have lived on a land, they originally were immigrants from someplace else.
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Other than VaughanJB posting about criminals, disease & terrorists have you read any posts here claiming immigrants are evil, morally diseased curs from hell/
Immigrants are not evil, morally diseased curs from hell
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The article was about how the "crisis" influx of illegal immigrants are impacting cities and how residents are reacting. Comparing prior illegal entry to what state governors & sanctuary city mayors are describing as "crisis" isn't dealing with reality.

Some politicians are asking residents to house illegals. As a way to relieve the strain on public resources wouldn't it be great if all those that excuse the massive influx of illegals, volunteer to house, feed, provide medical care at their own expense.

All this media coverage would go away & the billions in cost would disappear.
 
CallMeKate said:
Once again we seem to be confusing immigration (which is wonderful and part of America's fiber) with tens of thousands of ILLEGAL people, some on the FBI terroist watch list pouring over the border. Doesn't "illegal" mean anything to people? I'll be honest and admit I'm having a LOT of trouble with this confusion... I'm not grasping why the confusion exists. We welcome immigrants and always have. This border thing isn't even the same subject.
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They only reason people are "illegal" is because we make them 'illegal' by our immigration laws. We are the ones, who choose who is legal and illegal. Nobody is born with "Illegal" stamped on their forehead. Why is it that immigration is allowed from some troubled allied nations, but disallowed from nations we dislike? Aren't all men created equal?
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Why is it that immigration is allowed from some troubled allied nations, but disallowed from nations we dislike? Aren't all men created equal?
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I don't know enough about this to answer... but as a journalist, I'd ask my first question of whether or not those from "allied nations" have filled out their paperwork... which wouldn't make them undocumented at all if they have. Which countries are we allowing to come on a whim without the paperwork?
 
CallMeKate said:
Once again we seem to be confusing immigration (which is wonderful and part of America's fiber) with tens of thousands of ILLEGAL people, some on the FBI terrorist watch list pouring over the border. Doesn't "illegal" mean anything to people? I'll be honest and admit I'm having a LOT of trouble with this confusion... I'm not grasping why the confusion exists. We welcome immigrants and always have. This border thing isn't even the same subject.
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Kate I think skipping the word illegal when referring to immigrants is on purpose. Same as comparing what happen many years ago to what is happening now. Then America was growing both agriculturally & industrially. Jobs & contributing to the tax base seem to be the main points of liberal thinking.

Agriculture is declining.
USDA/NASS QuickStats Ad-hoc Query Tool

Manufacturing is declining.
https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_...-us-manufacturing-and-supply-chains-final.pdf

Estimates of immigrants entering America seeking amnesty & the got away's vary.

over 1.23 million of those NTAs were issued in the Department of Homeland Security’s financial year 2023 alone, which runs from October 1 to September 30.

Those numbers are far from the full picture of people entering the country. Over the past three years more than 1.5 million so called “gotaways” — those who Customs and Borde Protection estimate have made it across the border into the country with being detected or caught — and those numbers have also steadily been increasing year-by-year.

Illegal border crossers since 2021 total more than individual populations of 38 states
(The Center Square) – The number of illegal border crossings at the northern and southern borders and all ports of entry since January 2021 totals more than eight million people, greater than the individual populations of 38 U.S. states.

Denying there is a negative impact & expecting the "crisis" level of both those seeking amnesty & the got aways might feel good but the rest of us are dealing with reality.
 
Knight said:
You should write articles for the media. That part about making capital about "

is sensational.

That almost sounds like you honestly believe none are criminal, none have disease & mixed in there are no terrorists. You didn't post a source to contradict media posts about criminal elements, disease & terrorists
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I don't think Vaughn's phrasing says that at all. It's pointing out how too many politicians and others are trying to make it sound like the majority are criminals.
 
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Asylum - what is legal?

"ALERT: Court Order on Circumvention of Lawful Pathways Final Rule

On Aug. 3, 2023, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit issued a stay of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California’s order in East Bay Sanctuary Covenant v. Biden, 18-cv-06810 (N.D. Cal.), vacating the Circumvention of Lawful Pathways (CLP) rule. At this time and while the stay remains in place, USCIS will continue to apply the CLP rule.

Under the rule, certain individuals who enter the United States through its southwest land border or adjacent coastal borders are presumed to be ineligible for asylum, unless they can demonstrate an exception to the rule or rebut the presumption. Individuals are encouraged to use lawful, safe, and orderly pathways to come to the United States."
 
Debrah N. said:
I don't think Vaughn's phrasing says that at all. It's pointing out how too many politicians are trying to make it sound like the majority are criminals.
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Does pointing out the reality of what some enter illegally manage to disply dominate the media or was pointing the minor amount of coverage really belong in ths discussion about how residents feel about the cost & care of illegals.
 
Knight said:
Does pointing out the reality of what some enter illegally manage to disply dominate the media or was pointing the minor amount of coverage really belong in ths discussion about how residents feel about the cost & care of illegals.
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Sorry but I don't understand what your question is.

Just to clarify what I said:
Vaugn’s comment which I said I’d heard someone else say a few years back in an article, was that ‘newcomers’ are often more hard working and inclined to start small business than the populations they settle into. And that was in a discussion about immigrants in Canada.

He went on to say that SOME PEOPLE CLAIM that they’re all criminals, etc. (......some are trying to make capital out of claiming these people are all criminals,.......)

Your assertion that he suggested that none of them are criminals, etc., was incorrect. He didn’t say that and I’m betting that he’d allow that some are criminals, some have illnesses, etc. His issue was declaring them ALL criminals, as some are inclined to do to make political points. And then he went on to say how if you make those sorts of claims or inferences about them all being criminals, often social media applauds the assertion.

As for Governor Healey of Massachusetts asking people to house ‘illegals’, the phrasing was actually ‘migrants’. That would suggest that the migrants have been approved for entry and therefore aren’t illegals.
Governor Healey asks residents to house migrant families amid growing shelter crisis
 
How quickly would the states of TX and FL have been shut down from sending bus loads of people that actually were illegal to other states?

In other news the bus companies which have delivered the "immigrants, illegals, migrants, asylum seekers" to NYC have been sued for US$ 730 Million by NYC for bringing indigents into the city which is against either NYS or NYC law.
 

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