Would You Like an Electric Car?

Aunt Mavis said:
The electrical infrastructure will need trillions in upgrades and modernization before EV’s take over the USA. Ohm’s Law proves this. Of course you know all about Ohm’s Law don’t you? Lol.
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I remember Ohms law from my college physics class In electricity and magnetism. I’m not sure why you find that funny.

I have huge issues with government mandates for EVs that don’t take into account power generation and transmission. I would live to see some numbers from an authoritative group that I can use in a discussion of this issue. “Trust me” is not going to convince anybody with half a brain that they might need to rethink things.

Again, facts, numbers and sources are needed.
 

Not yet.

My son owns one and he loves everything about it except that it's a hassle driving for long distances. Not impossible, just a hassle. He maps out all charging stations on the route he's taking, but finds some of them not working and some of them not working correctly. Twice, he had to return to a charging station on his motorcycle because the "pump" failed to terminate his use, so he wasn't able to charge at the next station 250 miles later.

And the help line isn't always helpful.
 
Brookswood said:
I remember Ohms law from my college physics class In electricity and magnetism. I’m not sure why you find that funny.

I have huge issues with government mandates for EVs that don’t take into account power generation and transmission. I would live to see some numbers from an authoritative group that I can use in a discussion of this issue. “Trust me” is not going to convince anybody with half a brain that they might need to rethink things.

Again, facts, numbers and sources are needed.
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The internet can help.
 
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No numbers, just pondering. Before the EV push, the grid was stressed during weather extremes in many areas. Now they're pumping out EV's and charging stations faster than the infrastructure can be upgraded.
Many people believe that their EV's use clean energy and they are polluting less. Smaller carbon footprint, or whatever. Power plants don't run on air. Again, no numbers, but I'll bet mostly fossil fuels. Less emissions out of the tailpipe, more out of the stack.
Advertisers and pencil pushers can make anything sound like a good thing, but I am usually leary when it sounds too good to be true.
I, myself, don't believe that EV's are the answer. Just trading one problem for another.
 
A bigger issue lies here. Is our federal government really going to force us to buy and/or use EV's? That is not the American way. If people start shifting to EV's because they see them as a great product that will replace what they have used in the past, then and only then will they be successful...that is the American way, let the market determine what products are successful.... not government dictates! If they do dictate, they all will not be re-elected!
 
No way. I have a smart car, 2016, and it is smart enough for me. These electric cars are not for me until they work out all the "kinks" and get the plug ins as available as the pumps are. I haven't seen any of those plug in spots yet.
 
stretch5881 said:
No numbers, just pondering. Before the EV push, the grid was stressed during weather extremes in many areas. Now they're pumping out EV's and charging stations faster than the infrastructure can be upgraded.
Many people believe that their EV's use clean energy and they are polluting less. Smaller carbon footprint, or whatever. Power plants don't run on air. Again, no numbers, but I'll bet mostly fossil fuels. Less emissions out of the tailpipe, more out of the stack.
Advertisers and pencil pushers can make anything sound like a good thing, but I am usually leary when it sounds too good to be true.
I, myself, don't believe that EV's are the answer. Just trading one problem for another.
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Recently a local utility company was begging folks to avoid charging EV’s and reduce consumption, this during a minor cold snap. This same company has thousands of miles of old, direct buried XLPE cable that has far exceeded its life expectancy. (The American way) If it was easy to replace or cost-effective to inject companies would be doing it. It’s a nightmare! Another direction is what I predict for automobiles, not electric.
 
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Aunt Mavis said:
Recently a local utility company was begging folks to avoid charging EV’s and reduce consumption, this during a minor cold snap. This same company has thousands of miles of old, direct buried XLPE cable that has far exceeded its life expectancy. (The American way) If it was easy to replace or cost-effective to inject companies would be doing it. It’s a nightmare! Another direction is what a predict for automobiles, not electric.
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That happened in my area also. A local weather person also reported that during the very cold weather we had very little sunshine, about 8.5 hours of cloudy dim light. And the wind died down quite a bit. So very little solar power and very little wind power was generated at the same time power demands were extremely high.
 
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Timewise 60+ said:
Source please! Also, these garages must be heated, or they would charge to slow...
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I'm pretty sure they waste electricity heating the battery up for charging and until the waste heat from charging itself can take over. Waste, waste, waste.

I guess the fossil-fired power plants aren't in the EVangelist's back yard, so it's all good. All hail the remote combustion vehicle!
 
Imagine a Battalion of troops going into battle
and all their vehicles need charging in the middle
of nowhere, trucks, jeeps, electric tanks and missile
launchers?

Mike.
 
Mike said:
Imagine a Battalion of troops going into battle
and all their vehicles need charging in the middle
of nowhere, trucks, jeeps, electric tanks and missile
launchers?

Mike.
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Hopefully, they are battling for control of a solar panel factory. And they win the battle quickly.
 
Brookswood said:
I drive past a bank of about 20 Tesla chargers once a week on my way to meet a friend for lunch. It’s rare to see more than 5 open chargers at any time. Sometimes there are two or three slots open. Often enough they are all filled and a few cars are waiting in line. What’s changed is that all the slots are filled more often than they used to be 6 months ago. Is it the colder weather? More Tesla owners who are able to charge overnight?
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Some get so frustrated they simply put new batteries in. But what a right pain it can be.
 
AnnieA said:
90% of Norway's EV owners charge in home garages.
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Timewise 60+ said:
Source please! Also, these garages must be heated, or they would charge to slow...
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The entire sentence in my post is a hyperlink to the article. That's why the font is blue.

Here's the link to the article again.

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Another interesting piece of information is that the majority of people in Norway live in houses, not apartments, and that nearly 90% of EV owners have their own charging stations at home...​
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Another difference between Norway and the U.S. has to do with trip length. In the U.S., it’s not unheard of for people to drive over an hour to get to work, while the average commute in Norway is typically less than 30 minutes. The distance traveled is also shorter than in the United States because of the way the road infrastructure is set up.​
 
AnnieA said:
The entire sentence in my post is a hyperlink to the article. That's why the font is blue.

Here's the link to the article again.

Excerpts:

Another interesting piece of information is that the majority of people in Norway live in houses, not apartments, and that nearly 90% of EV owners have their own charging stations at home...​
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Another difference between Norway and the U.S. has to do with trip length. In the U.S., it’s not unheard of for people to drive over an hour to get to work, while the average commute in Norway is typically less than 30 minutes. The distance traveled is also shorter than in the United States because of the way the road infrastructure is set up.​
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Even in the USA there is a huge difference in distances between cities on the East Coast and those that are West of the Mississippi. I have been through parts of Nevada and Utah where there are No Services for 50 to 80 miles.
 

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