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BobF said:
I don't think Obama has had two overwhelming elections at all.
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It doesn't matter if the elections were "overwhelming" at all, the point is he won two Presidential elections through votes by the American people, and is still called a dictator and worse by some bitter citizens who didn't get their way, and also by politicians, which is very childish behavior from those who hold positions of power, IMO.
 

AZ Jim said:
Here's my thoughts on Bob. He never posts anything other than directly calling the poster a liar. He posts no contradictory facts, just denies the facts posted. I probably shouldn't say "go away" but post after post that he calls lies when the evidence is posted makes me frustrated. I'll put him back on ignore to avoid my disputes with him.
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Jim, for a fact I have posted with links to facts. Choose not to read them and consider is your choice but I have posted facts for my posts on occasions. For the most part it is the far left folks that just love to put down those that disagree and really with a lot of pure emotional inputs that merely oppose those from other thinking emotional links. Most political inputs from either side are biased to favor the particular political leaning. Those are not facts at all. Just preferences in thinking.
 
SeaBreeze said:
It doesn't matter if the elections were "overwhelming" at all, the point is he won two Presidential elections through votes by the American people, and is still called a dictator and worse by some bitter citizens who didn't get their way, and also by politicians, which is very childish behavior from those who hold positions of power, IMO.
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So true of your answer. But do note that on both elections Obama's numbers were not great at all and on the second they were less in both categories as folks are getting tired of his non Consitutional ways of running the US and way over spending our taxes. He has run our debt from $10 trillion to over $18 trillion and still pushing for even greater debt.
 

QuickSilver said:
I was wondering when the mythical debt was going to make it's way into this conversation... as it does in any other unrelated topic
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Nothing mythical about that debt at all. It comes direct from our government records, which are a lot more truthful than most of our far left or far right thinking is. Just type 'us current debt' in the top bar and see what all comes up.

Our US DEBT is real and very important to all of us.

I use many different outputs that try to simplify our economy into charts that make sense. Several such charts do exists and our constantly increasing debts just keep on growing against our future citizens. Something we all should agree to end now and give the future a real chance.
 
QuickSilver said:
I was wondering when the mythical debt was going to make it's way into this conversation... as it does in any other unrelated topic
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The situation is a few on the far right don't have the ability to absorb any data behind the raw numbers. If hey did they would find as an example all the relatively recent middle East wars and their costs which was a republican folly is where that debt is from. But, they don't understand that at all. Those AGM cruise missiles Bush lobbed (like a kid throwing rocks) by the dozens were each 2 million dollars alone...
 
First off Jim, your response does not match the years of the debt built at all. It was still in the 7 trillion while Bush was in control and when Pelosi and Reid took over it went straight to 10 trillion. Then Obama came in and the debt went from 10 trillion to today's 18 trillion and climbing. Since when did Pelosi, Reid, and Obama become part of the Bush program?

Check your data before such blasts as this.

And also, it was Bill Clinton that was shooting rockets into Iraq, not Bush. Bush was part of the alliance of nations that decided to go back into Iraq as after ten years of ignoring the UN guidelines, it was decided to just go back in and this time put Iraq's leader out of business.

Ever read about an English General that helped put this finale move in place? Gen Sir Michael Jackson is the name to look up.
 
BobF said:
Nothing mythical about that debt at all. It comes direct from our government records, which are a lot more truthful than most of our far left or far right thinking is. Just type 'us current debt' in the top bar and see what all comes up.

Our US DEBT is real and very important to all of us.



I use many different outputs that try to simplify our economy into charts that make sense. Several such charts do exists and our constantly increasing debts just keep on growing against our future citizens. Something we all should agree to end now and give the future a real chance.
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This thread is NOT about your agenda nor is it about the debt... No matter what the topic... you always bring it back to that.. This thread is about Texas and Texas politicians.. Can you explain WHY you bring this tired mantra of yours up in every thread?
 
BobF said:
So true of your answer. But do note that on both elections Obama's numbers were not great at all and on the second they were less in both categories as folks are getting tired of his non Consitutional ways of running the US and way over spending our taxes. He has run our debt from $10 trillion to over $18 trillion and still pushing for even greater debt.
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Numbers weren't even mentioned and are not that important to even address as far as I'm concerned, a win is a win, like in football, one point can make the difference for the winning team. Many people are happy with most of the things Obama has tried to accomplish, and feel that he's dealing very well with the mess that was left him by the past administration. I tire of reviewing the debt thing, especially since this thread is about the GOP and Texas. Obama is not to blame for the current debt, that's fine if you don't agree, we've been through this too many times before, we can just agree to disagree. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/22/1379432/-Who-is-responsible-for-the-debt

2001 President George Bush came into office inheriting a surplus from President Bill Clinton. The CBO projected in the 10 years from 2001-2011 the total surplus would be 5.6 trillion dollars and the national debt would be paid off by 2011, this assumed that revenue remained the same and spending didn't increase higher than inflation.

So why did President Bush leave office with a 10 trillion dollar debt instead of the projected surplus? First came government spending which increased over 5.6 trillion dollars, this on top of a huge tax cut that removed 6.1 trillion in revenue coming into the government.

When you factor in the debt almost everyone ignores the surplus that was left, if he had just kept taxes and spending at the same level President Bush would have left office with no national debt instead of the 10.6 trillion he left.

So if you want to be honest President Bush is responsible for all debt when President Obama took office, instead of inheriting a balanced budget and a surplus.

Now factor in the yearly deficit that President Bush left President Obama of 500 billion dollars a year and the debt if Obama hadn't increased spending 1 penny would be at 13 trillion dollars all due to President Bush's policies.

Now the debt is 18 trillion so President Obama has increased spending and added 5 trillion to the debt but far less than the 13 trillion Bush added and actually this years deficit as a percentage of GDP is lower than 2008.
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It appears to not matter WHAT the thread topic is... Sooner or later Bob will bring it all back to the "Debt" and how horrible our President is. That's fine.. anyone is free to post what they like... however they shouldn't be surprised if no one responds.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Numbers weren't even mentioned and are not that important to even address as far as I'm concerned, a win is a win, like in football, one point can make the difference for the winning team. Many people are happy with most of the things Obama has tried to accomplish, and feel that he's dealing very well with the mess that was left him by the past administration. I tire of reviewing the debt thing, especially since this thread is about the GOP and Texas. Obama is not to blame for the current debt, that's fine if you don't agree, we've been through this too many times before, we can just agree to disagree. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/22/1379432/-Who-is-responsible-for-the-debt
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First thing I notice in the Daily Kos article was they forgot to point out that in Bush's last two years the Democrats had taken over the Congress and pushed the debt from 7.5 trillion up to the 10 trillion. Or they would not give Bush money for the war in Iraq. Why blame Bush for creating that last 3 trillion? Give the blame to the real guilty far left ones that actually spent the money. Daily Kos always makes me think of Daily Kommunist. Sad isn't it, that so much from that place fits far far left thinking so well.

You are right about a win is a win. But in the political arena, small numbers will often show little strength. Which seems to be true. Even among the Democrats there are some of Obama's ideas that are being challenged now and more likely after the next election some of Obama's idea will have to be changed or replace or removed completely. Reality is going to become more prevalent after this next election, no matter which side wins. We can not just go on creating debt and not controlling it and paying down on it. And I repeat my constant comments, that Hillary will be better than what we have today.
 
QuickSilver said:
This thread is NOT about your agenda nor is it about the debt... No matter what the topic... you always bring it back to that.. This thread is about Texas and Texas politicians.. Can you explain WHY you bring this tired mantra of yours up in every thread?
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This post is about Texas and Texas is part of the US. The stuff I post about is something that all of us should be aware of and trying to end or correct. Something to make the US better.
 
BobF said:
This post is about Texas and Texas is part of the US. The stuff I post about is something that all of us should be aware of and trying to end or correct. Something to make the US better.
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This thread is NOT about the dang debt... If you want to only talk about the debt, why don't you start a thread about it and post to your hearts content.?
 
QuickSilver said:
This thread is NOT about the dang debt... If you want to only talk about the debt, why don't you start a thread about it and post to your hearts content.?
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It is about Obama and the debt he has created much bigger and much faster than any President before, except for FDR, but he had a WWII to concern about. Pres Obama has had no reason for such debts and he still wants to create more. So any post about Obama also includes the good and the bad he has created. And the debt is bad for all of us whether we like him or not.
 

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