Bill to ban TikTok is the topic of the hour

VintageBetter

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https://www.npr.org/2024/03/13/1237501725/house-vote-tiktok-ban

What say you? I'm all for it. The Nazis started influencing minds and won Germany over with propaganda! They took over the press and media nationwide. The whole nation of Germany stupefied and re-educated with propaganda.

The reason TikTok is different from other social media companies is because it answers to a government power, the Chinese Communist Party. That's why it is different and why I support the ban.

All social media is always harming teens, hopefully legislation will address them next. But legislators have to start somewhere - may as well start with TikTok. It's the most obvious.
 

Government control over social media like that makes me nervous. Freedom of speech should be a right and the ability to determine truth from falsehood should be the individual's job.
They'll go underground, dark web or use other sites. They still use proxies from other countries where it is legal.

This ban sets a precedent. The proverbial foot is in the door-again.
 

Well, something has to be done.

I took a Sociology class online for free a few years ago. It helped me understand a lot about things I couldn't understand about U.S. society.

One thing I learned about was Bias. How we are all very biased individuals. Specifically, one bias is "thin slice" judgments. Thin-Slicing Judgments In Psychology

"Thin-slicing in psychology refers to the ability to make accurate judgments about people or situations based on very limited information, often within a few seconds or minutes. It’s the process of drawing quick conclusions from a small fraction of an experience. While thin-slicing can be accurate, it’s also susceptible to biases and may not always lead to correct assessments."
I'm a White older female with (dyed) blonde hair. I have a fairly good complexion, not too wrinkly, thanks to heredity and sunscreen, not facelifts or other beauty treatments common to my wealthier peers. (First bias when people see me might be the assumption that I have "had a lot of work done".) I haven't even have a manicure in 15 years. No need for one, IMO. Who am I going to impress with my fingernails?

So, I think because of how I look, White, blonde, older, for years, I mean over 20 years, people thin-slice judge me. ("Oh she's an older White lady - she has plenty of money. She doesn't really need this job - I'll give it to the young person instead.") and they refuse to call me in for interviews, let alone give me a job.

As a result, I am an unwilling and unhappy "Independent Contractor", working for apps, bringing you your coffee. I have many years of college eduction; three degrees in total. So what? My race and gender are what I am judged by first and foremost.

And THIS, as I finally get to my point, is the CORE problem with all Social Media. Social media increase the biases of the users, IMO. You get a very tiny, thin slice of anyone's life on a Social Media account, and then biased people (most of us) take that thin-slice and run with it - make judgements with it.

These biases and thin-slice judgements people make using limited information they find on social media are why I will never return to any of the popular sites. (Even here we are asked for our location and our age is identified by the site title.) But even real name posting is not the only issue now because so many people know how to track down IP addresses.

If scientists could somehow take BIAS out of all of society, then we'd all be safe to have a social media account. But that will never happen - not in one million years. The brain is hard-wired to SORT things and people: "Good guy & bad guys, harmful people & helpful people, red people and blue people, quiet people & loud people, friends v. foe, young v. old, etc., etc."

We are sorting machines because sorting safe foods from poisonous foods helped us survive for eons. Sorting friends from foes also helped us survive for eons. We're hard-wired for bias and only by becoming self-aware of these biases can we purposefully OVERCOME them.

Doesn't TikTok reinforce cognitive biases, just like all social media platforms do?
TikTok may be bad for privacy, but is it also harming our cognitive abilities?
 
I don't use Tik Tok, and I haven't researched this issue extensively. I never got on the platform because I knew the ties with China would lead to something like this. I'm not for or against the sale/ban with the information I now know.

But just reading the article has led to questions. Who are they expecting to buy Tik Tok? If it's sold to someone in the US, might that not look like a forced sale to benefit the US?

I don't know of any law prohibiting information from another country. There might be. I just don't know of any. It just seems like something a country would do that wants to restrict information.
 
This was a concern from day one... yet they did nothing in it's infancy. Some people never used app for same reason.
the horse is out of the barn and shutting the barn door will do very little
 
I do not use Tik-Tok, but I am totally against the bill that they want to put out for banning it, because once they ban that website, they can start banning any other social media that they want. The bill is not specific for the one website. Also, why is it not okay for a social media , which is only partially owned by China , to be allowed; but it is fine if China is buying up our farmland and businesses ?
 
The bill seeks to remove Chinese ownership and obligations Chinese companies have to their government from Tik Tok at least in the US. The ban is the "or else", that is the stick to motivate the sale. If you're happy with the Chinese government being able to control whatever they want to feed us and having access to users' data then by all means leave it the way it is.
 

Banning TikTok Is Unconstitutional, Ludicrous, and a National Embarrassment

  • American politicians are considering banning TikTok over concerns about data privacy and alleged ties to the Chinese government.
  • Banning TikTok would violate free speech, hurt millions of creators/businesses that rely on the platform, and reduce competition in social media.
  • There is no clear evidence that TikTok poses a greater national security risk than American social media companies like Meta.
  • Meta has actively campaigned against TikTok as the app threatens its monopoly and outdated platforms like Facebook and Instagram.
  • The U.S. government's efforts to ban TikTok are part of a broader crackdown aimed at curbing China's technological advancement.
  • Legal experts argue a TikTok ban would likely be unconstitutional and difficult to effectively implement.
  • TikTok has proposed measures like "Project Texas" to give the U.S. oversight over its algorithms and data practices.
  • The push to ban TikTok highlights America's insecurity about its declining tech competitiveness versus China.
Banning TikTok Is Unconstitutional, Ludicrous, and a National Embarrassment

These are bullet points in the article.

I am opposed to this bill to ban TikTok, or make it divest from the parent company ( which is Chinese ). We are not going to be able to stop misinformation on social media. We would have to ban all of them. The best watch dogs are not efficient enough to weed out all the posts that are false and misleading. It is impossible. The public has to become accustomed to seeing myths and lies ( not much different than it is now ) in the apps they use. I hope the Senate veto's the bill.
 
I suppose I could google Tik Tok and see what all the fuss is about. But I don't feel like it.
 
I am opposed to this bill to ban TikTok, or make it divest from the parent company ( which is Chinese ). We are not going to be able to stop misinformation on social media.
Source: AlJazeera...
"Many governments including Afghanistan, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Taiwan, the UK and EU governance bodies have all banned the app from government phones. Pakistan and Indonesia have also gone back and forth on whether — and how much — to restrict access to TikTok.9 hours ago"

Why has the US passed a bill to ban TikTok, and what's next? - Al Jazeera
aljazeera.com
https://www.aljazeera.com › news › why-has-the-us-pass...
 
Government control over social media like that makes me nervous. Freedom of speech should be a right and the ability to determine truth from falsehood should be the individual's job.
I'm conflicted, but if TPTB can prove that a certain social site is a threat to our nation, then banning it is justified.

I follow a couple of YouTubers who talk about the CCP and how their activities effect the west. They've said that the CCP uses TIK-Tok to show the Chinese people how stupid or even evil westerners are. I believe it, but I'm not so sure that poses a national threat to the US. I see Chinese youth copying some of the stuff they see westerners doing on Tik-Tok, so maybe it's more a threat to the CCP than anyone.
 
Many governments including Afghanistan, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Taiwan, the UK and EU governance bodies have all banned the app from government phones.
For example, in the United Kingdom, there are approximately 75 million mobile phone users, but only a fraction of those devices are government-issued. So, while the ban might impact a significant number of government employees, it would represent a relatively small percentage of the overall mobile phone market in the UK.
 
For example, in the United Kingdom, there are approximately 75 million mobile phone users, but only a fraction of those devices are government-issued. So, while the ban might impact a significant number of government employees, it would represent a relatively small percentage of the overall mobile phone market in the UK.
My point wasn't that it's just government phones in all those other countries, but rather that there must be a good *reason* it's being banned. Social media such as Twitter and Facebook are only banned in places like China, North Korea, Russia, etc. Makes ya think, no?
 
Banning Tik Tok in US is the equivalent of China banning Facebook in China though.
China is a communist country so no surprises there - but if US and co are free countries and then do the same thing, how is one OK but not the other?
 
My point wasn't that it's just government phones in all those other countries, but rather that there must be a good *reason* it's being banned. Social media such as Twitter and Facebook are only banned in places like China, North Korea, Russia, etc. Makes ya think, no?
This whole mass media explosion is much to complex for me to predict the future. It is brewing into a big stand off though. With AI developing at break neck speed, the elections around the corner, and the amount of doubt and even fear of misinformation spreading, the near future is loaded with melodrama. This stuff is way over my head. I just hope our society holds together as the meme wars begin. :)
 
No matter how it may be spinned, Tik Tok is the property of the Chinese government who uses someone as the front man to make it appear that it isn't. Even if it was sold, I wouldn't be surprised that they will always have a back door access into the system to get personal information of the users & influence it some way. China had a plan when it was created & they're not going to give up on it.

I'm all for free speech, but Tik Tok is different from the other social media platforms. As such, I'm not sure you can use or apply the same rules to Tik Tok as you do the others.

Look at the Tik Tok challenges that are allowed to be posted where people who are taking those challenges die. The Kia challenge is alive & well with cars being stolen. Those are just two of the things that have been on the news.
 
No matter how it may be spinned, Tik Tok is the property of the Chinese government who uses someone as the front man to make it appear that it isn't. Even if it was sold, I wouldn't be surprised that they will always have a back door access into the system to get personal information of the users & influence it some way. China had a plan when it was created & they're not going to give up on it.

I'm all for free speech, but Tik Tok is different from the other social media platforms. As such, I'm not sure you can use or apply the same rules to Tik Tok as you do the others.

Look at the Tik Tok challenges that are allowed to be posted where people who are taking those challenges die. The Kia challenge is alive & well with cars being stolen. Those are just two of the things that have been on the news.


But Facebook had stupid challenges too - planking one of a few years ago comes to mind.

of course these platforms get misused - but not really seeing the difference except people seem against one because China owns it.
 
Bill to ban TikTok is the topic of the hour

Nothing more than political theater disguised as a "national security concern". Being "Chinese" is the attention getter, but the fact of the matter is that all social media apps(and, all apps in general) collect and use or sell as much user information as they can possibly get away with.
 
But Facebook had stupid challenges too - planking one of a few years ago comes to mind.

of course these platforms get misused - but not really seeing the difference except people seem against one because China owns it.
I'm not on Facebook or any of the other things. Yes, any of the other ones could have them too, but it seems more prevalent on Tik Tok.

China hasn't been an upstanding on many issues & it seems to be getting worse. IMO, those in charge don't care about other countries let alone their own people. But all of that is another rabbit hole to fall down.
 
I do not use Tik-Tok, but I am totally against the bill that they want to put out for banning it, because once they ban that website, they can start banning any other social media that they want. The bill is not specific for the one website. Also, why is it not okay for a social media , which is only partially owned by China , to be allowed; but it is fine if China is buying up our farmland and businesses ?
I think that Chinese citizens, corporations, or their government, being permitted to buy our country's assets is a huge mistake. I think allowing Tik-Tok here is a huge mistake. The bill, however, should be Tik-Tok specific, IMO.
 


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