officerripley
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That's why I'd love to live in one of those "15 minute" cities; walk almost everywhere; no more car maintenance expense; and walking is supposed to be one of the best exercises.
When is it time to give up driving?
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hollydolly
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yes and that's all very well until you realise you can't get to a hospital that's the other side of the city and an hour away...or visit relatives who live in the country... or go to a particular store 20 miles away which is much cheaper than the one closest to you, or sit by the bedside of a terminally ill loved one sick in hospital in different area..... and also that people will have to find jobs in that 15 minute area that pays enough to provide everything they need....and schools... or perhaps have to place your children in school which are academically poor because it's within your area..
The suggestion here is that sovereign citizens will be permitted 100 days per year only as a pass to be able to leave the created area.. if they use more, they will face disciplinary action...
15 minute cities are not a Utopia, in fact they are potentially far more terrifying than many people realise...
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Lewkat
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When I lost the hearing in one ear.
Years ago, I had an accident with someone who neither saw nor heard me, and I've never forgotten that experience.
I decided, it will not happen again in the reverse, so I handed my keys to my son that evening. Regrets? A few, but we're all alive.
Years ago, I had an accident with someone who neither saw nor heard me, and I've never forgotten that experience.
I decided, it will not happen again in the reverse, so I handed my keys to my son that evening. Regrets? A few, but we're all alive.
Alizerine
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We do not have any problem driving yet but quite a few people in our community are no longer able to drive. We help each other out. Very few of us have relatives living nearby. Some of them live alone and need rides for a doctor appointment or other matters. Taxis are expensive in this area and Uber is just now starting to operate around here. Some seniors around the area also offer rides for a fee. It is a good alternative as well, if needed.
officerripley
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Why wouldn't I be able to do that? I admit I don't know much about 15-minute cities; do they not allow buses or taxis or Ubers or Lyfts?
hollydolly
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yes but you are expected to use it within your city limit...your 15 minute city limit
Murrmurr
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Here in Sacramento, my granddaughter uses Uber to go to and from work. Work is about a 20-minute drive. She pays $30 round trip 5 days/wk. That's about $600/mo for 10 hours drive time. It's a lot, and it doesn't offset the $130/mo she was paying for auto insurance, but she doesn't have a car now. (she pays Uber with her tip money, which totals around $3K/mo)
BUT - look at how often you drive, Rad, and how far you drive and what you pay for gas and auto insurance in an average month. Then check Uber's website or call them to get pricing. It might come out cheaper if you don't drive much.
Murrmurr
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While I was living with my parents to take care of my dad (post-stroke), Mom told me she was going to go to the pharmacy to pick up their Rxs.
She backed out of the driveway, stepped on the gas, and promptly plowed into a neighbor's fence. She backed off the fence, made a U-turn, and pulled into the driveway.
She came in and gave me her keys and said sweetly, "Would you mind picking up those Rxs?" and never drove after that.
She backed out of the driveway, stepped on the gas, and promptly plowed into a neighbor's fence. She backed off the fence, made a U-turn, and pulled into the driveway.
She came in and gave me her keys and said sweetly, "Would you mind picking up those Rxs?" and never drove after that.
RadishRose
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Thank you! I don't drive much, really. I didn't know I could call them. I see I have work to do. I appreciate you, Murr.
PeppermintPatty
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Oh boy. I had the worst time with my parents when it came to driving. They said they weren’t going to Florida any more due to the insurance but it was because they both lost their driving licence. This I didn’t know until years later. Their car insurance had expired and my dad was still driving.
He had 3 sets of keys and I’d taken two sets.
I had to hide his car behind the shed and take the battery out so he wouldn’t drive it and when he finally found the car and was ready to drive it, it wouldn’t start. He called me up cursing & swearing.
The problem was that he’d hit someone with his car. The other persons license plate was imbedded in the front of his car. The hospital told me that he was driving around the parking gate so he didn’t have to pay. It’s grass.
Anyway, when I finally found his third set of keys I took them. That was the straw that broke the camels back. He truly resented me for taking them, never mind that I’d driven him a minimum of 40 or 50 times to see my mom at the hospital. She had a stroke.
My dad was 100% sure that he could drive. He could drive but just not very well. He was over 90 years old. Losing his license was like a death sentence. He used to rally cars when he was younger but the biggest fear was that he couldn’t see my mom when he wanted. He’d actually cry. It was so sad.
What’s really sad is that you can’t legally take someone’s car keys. They have to willingly give them up. Well, my dad didn’t want to do that so I became the enemy. He lost any trust he had in me. He couldn’t understand that I was doing it to protect him and others. The chance of him hitting someone else was a real issue but he just couldn’t understand that. He was beyond stubborn when it came to driving.
He had 3 sets of keys and I’d taken two sets.
I had to hide his car behind the shed and take the battery out so he wouldn’t drive it and when he finally found the car and was ready to drive it, it wouldn’t start. He called me up cursing & swearing.
The problem was that he’d hit someone with his car. The other persons license plate was imbedded in the front of his car. The hospital told me that he was driving around the parking gate so he didn’t have to pay. It’s grass.
Anyway, when I finally found his third set of keys I took them. That was the straw that broke the camels back. He truly resented me for taking them, never mind that I’d driven him a minimum of 40 or 50 times to see my mom at the hospital. She had a stroke.
My dad was 100% sure that he could drive. He could drive but just not very well. He was over 90 years old. Losing his license was like a death sentence. He used to rally cars when he was younger but the biggest fear was that he couldn’t see my mom when he wanted. He’d actually cry. It was so sad.
What’s really sad is that you can’t legally take someone’s car keys. They have to willingly give them up. Well, my dad didn’t want to do that so I became the enemy. He lost any trust he had in me. He couldn’t understand that I was doing it to protect him and others. The chance of him hitting someone else was a real issue but he just couldn’t understand that. He was beyond stubborn when it came to driving.
George1959
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You are completely right. In fact they are a prison. I wrote it already, they are battery caging, not for hens but for us.
hollydolly
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I feel that completely too.
horseless carriage
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As he enters his 93rd year, Britain's oldest truck driver says he has no plans to stop his seven decade trucking career.
Sprightly Brian Wilson, 92 today, first stepped behind the wheel of a lorry 1953, when he started delivering petrol for Esso. Today, he still gets up at 5:00 am and works up to 12 hours in day delivering goods from his depot in Sheffield, Yorkshire, to sites across the country.
Sprightly Brian Wilson, 92 today, first stepped behind the wheel of a lorry 1953, when he started delivering petrol for Esso. Today, he still gets up at 5:00 am and works up to 12 hours in day delivering goods from his depot in Sheffield, Yorkshire, to sites across the country.
officerripley
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Ok but couldn’t residents, if they needed to go somewhere outside of the 15 minute limit, walk to just outside the limit and get in the Uber or whatever and get dropped off same place when coming back?
hollydolly
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How do I know, it's not my plan..... this is down to the govt.. and they are pretending everything will be hunky dory.... remember tho' that no cash will be allowed and everything will be paid for by card which means the govt will know you've spent money on an Uber... and you will only be allowed to go beyond the city limits 100 times in any one year...
hollydolly
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This is the halcyonic version of the 15 minute city concept...
What Do 15-Minute Cities Mean for UK Drivers?
What Do 15-Minute Cities Mean for UK Drivers?
hollydolly
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a little bit of Negative points... to chew on..( incidentally Oxford is almost definitely going to become a 15 minute city by 20240 alone with other areas in England)...
While none exists at present, 15-minute cities, by their nature, discourage driving, and are likely to prevent or restrict it in some areas; this is seldom free from objection. Taking Oxford as an example, the City Council talks of “the objective of reducing car use” in its 2040 plans, for example.
The idea of the15-minute city also needs to be put into wider context: Oxford City Council is planning a 15-minute city, but Oxford County Council is trialling a separate scheme that sees the city split into six zones, with residents issued 100 passes each year to drive between the zones, and £70 penalties issued to those who exceed this limit – although no physical barriers will exist, free movement by other modes of transport remains unrestricted, as would driving out to the ring road before heading back into a different area.
A number of new low-emission zones, which penalise or preclude older cars entering specific areas, are also either in place, or due to be implemented up and down the country, while plans to expand London’s ULEZ to take in almost all of greater London in August 2023 have been met with significant resistance.
Factor in Low Traffic Neighbourhoods, which bear many similarities with 15-minute cities and have been, in some instances, hugely controversial (some have been withdrawn), and it’s clear that 15-minute cities sit in an urban landscape that is far from car friendly.
But people like their cars: cars are, in many instances, more practical, comfortable and faster than walking, cycling or public transport. They are also weather-proof, often offer preferable mobility options for people with disabilities than alternative means of transport, while the vast majority (78%) of UK households have at least one car or van (though this figure drops to 54% in London), and numerous businesses are dependent on free access to urban households.
Why are 15-minute cities contentious?
While none exists at present, 15-minute cities, by their nature, discourage driving, and are likely to prevent or restrict it in some areas; this is seldom free from objection. Taking Oxford as an example, the City Council talks of “the objective of reducing car use” in its 2040 plans, for example.
The idea of the15-minute city also needs to be put into wider context: Oxford City Council is planning a 15-minute city, but Oxford County Council is trialling a separate scheme that sees the city split into six zones, with residents issued 100 passes each year to drive between the zones, and £70 penalties issued to those who exceed this limit – although no physical barriers will exist, free movement by other modes of transport remains unrestricted, as would driving out to the ring road before heading back into a different area.
A number of new low-emission zones, which penalise or preclude older cars entering specific areas, are also either in place, or due to be implemented up and down the country, while plans to expand London’s ULEZ to take in almost all of greater London in August 2023 have been met with significant resistance.
Factor in Low Traffic Neighbourhoods, which bear many similarities with 15-minute cities and have been, in some instances, hugely controversial (some have been withdrawn), and it’s clear that 15-minute cities sit in an urban landscape that is far from car friendly.
But people like their cars: cars are, in many instances, more practical, comfortable and faster than walking, cycling or public transport. They are also weather-proof, often offer preferable mobility options for people with disabilities than alternative means of transport, while the vast majority (78%) of UK households have at least one car or van (though this figure drops to 54% in London), and numerous businesses are dependent on free access to urban households.
RadishRose
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Oh my, Patty what a dilemma.
He didn't want to. But out of your love, who knows how many times you saved his life and the lives of others. Good for you!
hollydolly
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Bella
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This type of reporting is not mandatory across the entire United States. So, depending on what state you live in, you might not have a choice as to when you surrender your keys.
Currently, there are only six (6) states that mandate a physician to report on a patient’s ability to operate a motor vehicle. These six states include:
- California
- Delaware
- Nevada
- New Jersey
- Oregon
- Pennsylvania
"Many states have enacted laws to address the problem of impaired drivers. Some of these laws mandate disclosure to motor vehicle authorities, while, in others, disclosure is voluntary. Some states require reporting for specific conditions but not for others [4]. And the legal protection provided to physicians who report also varies from state to state."
Mandatory-Physician-Reporting States & Drivers' Licensing - Alzheimer's Proof
Driving Restrictions per State - EyeWiki
PeppermintPatty
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Thank you Radish Rose.
RadishRose
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Oh Bonee, you have mobile vet and doctor visits at home? Wow. Of course we have grocery delivery and restaurant delivery, but I'd love to have a mobile dog grooming truck!
You're in good shape with the grands nearby etc. Mine have left the area. My only child, my son lives not far and will help me but only after work hours.
I bet your GD loves the car!
I'll drive as long as I can do so safely. I drive every day for errands within my 10-mile bubble. However, I pretty much refuse to get on the highway these days. Also, Dallas has become so congested and we were voted #6 on a list of the country's worst drivers. When we moved here 17 years ago people were civil and followed the rules of the road. Yesterday, I saw 2 cars run a light that was solidly red. I see it every day now. I see people cross over 2 lanes to turn left. I think it is due to the influx of people from other states that have no clue where they are going.
My hubby is 8 years younger and he drives when we go somewhere further out. When he retires he will most likely do most of the driving. I'll just continue driving short distances.
A quick story. My father was 77 years old and had a big Cadillac. He and my mother lived on a lake with a "hammock island park" across the lake. It was a narrow piece of land that was meant for cyclists and walkers. My mother told me one day that he had driven his large car onto the hammock island park and had to back all the way out to get out. She used to tell me stories about how many times they were honked at and given the "finger" when he was driving. I was going to have the "talk" with him, which would have been so difficult, but he sadly passed away the next year. It was clearly time for him to give up the keys.
My hubby is 8 years younger and he drives when we go somewhere further out. When he retires he will most likely do most of the driving. I'll just continue driving short distances.
A quick story. My father was 77 years old and had a big Cadillac. He and my mother lived on a lake with a "hammock island park" across the lake. It was a narrow piece of land that was meant for cyclists and walkers. My mother told me one day that he had driven his large car onto the hammock island park and had to back all the way out to get out. She used to tell me stories about how many times they were honked at and given the "finger" when he was driving. I was going to have the "talk" with him, which would have been so difficult, but he sadly passed away the next year. It was clearly time for him to give up the keys.
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